Stamina version of necropotence?

PlautisCarvain

Is there any set that gives, like necropotence, a boots of 4K stamina (or 3k minimum)?

Chilly-McFreeze

Draugr Hulk

bebynnag

yes there are 2, and you dont have to use dumb pets to benefit!

PlautisCarvain

puffytheslayer wrote: »

yes there are 2, and you dont have to use dumb pets to benefit!

Which?

Chufu

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

Is there any set that gives, like necropotence, a boots of 4K stamina (or 3k minimum)?

Yes, but that Draugr Set gives only 2,540 Stamina (5-piece-bonus) with the new Update (up from atm 2,500). That's really not the same as necropotence, but Yes, you don't need a pet to activate it.

idk

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

yes there are 2, and you dont have to use dumb pets to benefit!

Which?

Draugr Hulk Abs I don't know what the other is. Draugr Hulk Come support just shy of necro but, as pointed out above. It doesn't have the same restriction as necro.

bebynnag

Chufu wrote: »

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

Is there any set that gives, like necropotence, a boots of 4K stamina (or 3k minimum)?

Yes, but that Draugr Set gives only 2,540 Stamina (5-piece-bonus) with the new Update (up from atm 2,500). That's really not the same as necropotence, but Yes, you don't need a pet to activate it.

there's also bone pirate which gives a buch of stam & stam recovery while you have a drink active,

Danksta

No, there aren't. Closest would be Draugr Hulk but that falls short of your 3k minimum.

PlautisCarvain

Damn, poor stamina user... That's not cool that Magicka always have the advantage over stamina!

DurzoBlint13

Hulking Drugar....... comes from Direfrost Keep.

also, all of the bonuses (2pc, 3pc, 4pc, 5pc) give Stam for a total of more than 5K.....will be even more than that with the next update but do not know the exact numbers. right now it gives 967+967+967+2500= 5401

PlautisCarvain

DurzoBlint13 wrote: »

Hulking Drugar....... comes from Direfrost Keep.

also, all of the bonuses (2pc, 3pc, 4pc, 5pc) give Stam for a total of more than 5K.....will be even more than that with the next update but do not know the exact numbers. right now it gives 967+967+967+2500= 5401

And necropotence over 7k...

AlnilamE

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

DurzoBlint13 wrote: »

Hulking Drugar....... comes from Direfrost Keep.

also, all of the bonuses (2pc, 3pc, 4pc, 5pc) give Stam for a total of more than 5K.....will be even more than that with the next update but do not know the exact numbers. right now it gives 967+967+967+2500= 5401

And necropotence over 7k...

Don't stamina abilities cost less than magicka abilities though?

DurzoBlint13

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

DurzoBlint13 wrote: »

Hulking Drugar....... comes from Direfrost Keep.

also, all of the bonuses (2pc, 3pc, 4pc, 5pc) give Stam for a total of more than 5K.....will be even more than that with the next update but do not know the exact numbers. right now it gives 967+967+967+2500= 5401

And necropotence over 7k...

yes but this is the closest Stam users can come to that set that I know of. As others have said, Bone Pirate will give more recovery at the cost of less max Stam. But no set is as good as Necro for max resources

Sigtric

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

DurzoBlint13 wrote: »

Hulking Drugar....... comes from Direfrost Keep.

also, all of the bonuses (2pc, 3pc, 4pc, 5pc) give Stam for a total of more than 5K.....will be even more than that with the next update but do not know the exact numbers. right now it gives 967+967+967+2500= 5401

And necropotence over 7k...

you have to lock up a slot on both bars with an annoying pet if you want 100% uptime with necro though, I think that's a fair trade.

SodanTok

Sigtric wrote: »

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

DurzoBlint13 wrote: »

Hulking Drugar....... comes from Direfrost Keep.

also, all of the bonuses (2pc, 3pc, 4pc, 5pc) give Stam for a total of more than 5K.....will be even more than that with the next update but do not know the exact numbers. right now it gives 967+967+967+2500= 5401

And necropotence over 7k...

you have to lock up a slot on both bars with an annoying pet if you want 100% uptime with necro though, I think that's a fair trade.

That was before. Now you have nearly 100% uptimes on proc set monsters and stam/mag warden and stam/mag blade using the same pets with same effect (from one bar)
Having pet is hardly annoying for them anymore.

//EDIT:
For comparison. You get more effective damage from necro on altmer with inner light than you would get from set with 689 damage (set that has all pieces weapon damage with final piece being 300) on any medium armor build with major brutality and dawnbreaker.

kylewwefan

Part of what makes necro so good is the huge magic pool makes for 20k+ damage shields that would normally only be 15ish. Stam don't have that.

PlagueSD

AlnilamE wrote: »

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

DurzoBlint13 wrote: »

Hulking Drugar....... comes from Direfrost Keep.

also, all of the bonuses (2pc, 3pc, 4pc, 5pc) give Stam for a total of more than 5K.....will be even more than that with the next update but do not know the exact numbers. right now it gives 967+967+967+2500= 5401

And necropotence over 7k...

Don't stamina abilities cost less than magicka abilities though?

Not sure about cost, but aren't damage numbers based on MAX stamina or magicka? Why should a Mag user hit harder than me because I can't have the same max value for my resource?

Danksta

PlagueSD wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

DurzoBlint13 wrote: »

Hulking Drugar....... comes from Direfrost Keep.

also, all of the bonuses (2pc, 3pc, 4pc, 5pc) give Stam for a total of more than 5K.....will be even more than that with the next update but do not know the exact numbers. right now it gives 967+967+967+2500= 5401

And necropotence over 7k...

Don't stamina abilities cost less than magicka abilities though?

Not sure about cost, but aren't damage numbers based on MAX stamina or magicka? Why should a Mag user hit harder than me because I can't have the same max value for my resource?

It's always been easier to stack max magicka than stamina. On the other end of that it's always been easier to stack weapon damage than spell damage.

Feanor

Magicka version of Vicious Ophidian?

QuebraRegra

Sigtric wrote: »

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

DurzoBlint13 wrote: »

Hulking Drugar....... comes from Direfrost Keep.

also, all of the bonuses (2pc, 3pc, 4pc, 5pc) give Stam for a total of more than 5K.....will be even more than that with the next update but do not know the exact numbers. right now it gives 967+967+967+2500= 5401

And necropotence over 7k...

you have to lock up a slot on both bars with an annoying pet if you want 100% uptime with necro though, I think that's a fair trade.

not if yer a NIGHTBLADE

idk

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

DurzoBlint13 wrote: »

Hulking Drugar....... comes from Direfrost Keep.

also, all of the bonuses (2pc, 3pc, 4pc, 5pc) give Stam for a total of more than 5K.....will be even more than that with the next update but do not know the exact numbers. right now it gives 967+967+967+2500= 5401

And necropotence over 7k...

And necropotence requires at least 2 skill slots he filled with a pet.

I guess they could make a stam version of necro and require the user have a pet active. Could only be used with 3 classes.

Aisle9

Bone Pirate

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Bone+Pirate's+Tatters+Set

QuebraRegra

Aisle9 wrote: »

Bone Pirate

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Bone+Pirate's+Tatters+Set

2k > 3k and needing a drink buff means loss of max stam food. Seems counterproductive.

Dragur Hulk would be a better choice, but still not comparable to necro.

Tryxus

Necro needs a nerf anyway

fastolfv_ESO

bone pirates so brokenly good theres no excuse to not have a magicka version of it, hulkings an amazing set too not requiring a pet. you can still hit 40k stam easily with enough regen to ignore regen enchants for stam with bone pirate with the jester festival drink that covers stam health and regen so i would say stams in a really good place

Rikkof

Tryxus wrote: »

Necro needs a nerf anyway

this was the purpose of the thread anyway
trolling on these boards is getting out of hand

supaskrub

Tryxus wrote: »

Necro needs a nerf anyway

So because something that to be effective needs two slots taking up for a pet, then dead slots for either bound aegis or inner light or even both as i have seen on occasion which only real benefit is to give big shields as it also requires a constant uptime of pet and deadric prey to come even close to being a right up there DPS monster build, mess up on deadric prey or the pet and the build is dps garbage except for survivability which is dependant on the shields.

Maybe theres something wrong with how i play but i get more reliable and constantly higher dps on my magsorc, not running necro and not tieing slots up running a dumb pet, sure its easy mode stuff necro + pet but its definatly not a insta-win dps/crit/sustain beast if you want to put out huge damage numbers.

So rather than calling for a nerf to an "easy mode" niche gear set why not take a look at what could well be the real issue (and by the way I'm not suggesting a nerf) which is the shield scaling from max magicka pool.

LegendaryMage

supaskrub wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Necro needs a nerf anyway

So because something that to be effective needs two slots taking up for a pet, then dead slots for either bound aegis or inner light or even both as i have seen on occasion which only real benefit is to give big shields as it also requires a constant uptime of pet and deadric prey to come even close to being a right up there DPS monster build, mess up on deadric prey or the pet and the build is dps garbage except for survivability which is dependant on the shields.

Maybe theres something wrong with how i play but i get more reliable and constantly higher dps on my magsorc, not running necro and not tieing slots up running a dumb pet, sure its easy mode stuff necro + pet but its definatly not a insta-win dps/crit/sustain beast if you want to put out huge damage numbers.

So rather than calling for a nerf to an "easy mode" niche gear set why not take a look at what could well be the real issue (and by the way I'm not suggesting a nerf) which is the shield scaling from max magicka pool.

You don't need pets to get necro's last bonus. Shadowrend will totally do, at least for PVP. If you're a mag nb then you got shade, which is pretty much mandatory anyway.

supaskrub

LegendaryMage wrote: »

supaskrub wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Necro needs a nerf anyway

So because something that to be effective needs two slots taking up for a pet, then dead slots for either bound aegis or inner light or even both as i have seen on occasion which only real benefit is to give big shields as it also requires a constant uptime of pet and deadric prey to come even close to being a right up there DPS monster build, mess up on deadric prey or the pet and the build is dps garbage except for survivability which is dependant on the shields.

Maybe theres something wrong with how i play but i get more reliable and constantly higher dps on my magsorc, not running necro and not tieing slots up running a dumb pet, sure its easy mode stuff necro + pet but its definatly not a insta-win dps/crit/sustain beast if you want to put out huge damage numbers.

So rather than calling for a nerf to an "easy mode" niche gear set why not take a look at what could well be the real issue (and by the way I'm not suggesting a nerf) which is the shield scaling from max magicka pool.

You don't need pets to get necro's last bonus. Shadowrend will totally do, at least for PVP. If you're a mag nb then you got shade, which is pretty much mandatory anyway.

I know how it works (i use shade on my NB). the issue is not the gear set its the fact that the max magicka which necro gives buffs damage shields immensly as these scale with magicka and it is particularly evident on one class that runs the build, so rather than join the "nerf sorcs" brigade people look for another option to cry nerf..

LegendaryMage

supaskrub wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

supaskrub wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Necro needs a nerf anyway

So because something that to be effective needs two slots taking up for a pet, then dead slots for either bound aegis or inner light or even both as i have seen on occasion which only real benefit is to give big shields as it also requires a constant uptime of pet and deadric prey to come even close to being a right up there DPS monster build, mess up on deadric prey or the pet and the build is dps garbage except for survivability which is dependant on the shields.

Maybe theres something wrong with how i play but i get more reliable and constantly higher dps on my magsorc, not running necro and not tieing slots up running a dumb pet, sure its easy mode stuff necro + pet but its definatly not a insta-win dps/crit/sustain beast if you want to put out huge damage numbers.

So rather than calling for a nerf to an "easy mode" niche gear set why not take a look at what could well be the real issue (and by the way I'm not suggesting a nerf) which is the shield scaling from max magicka pool.

You don't need pets to get necro's last bonus. Shadowrend will totally do, at least for PVP. If you're a mag nb then you got shade, which is pretty much mandatory anyway.

I know how it works (i use shade on my NB). the issue is not the gear set its the fact that the max magicka which necro gives buffs damage shields immensly as these scale with magicka and it is particularly evident on one class that runs the build, so rather than join the "nerf sorcs" brigade people look for another option to cry nerf..

Yes, however since re-designing the whole game and making damage output, healing output, shielding output work differently (which does need re-doing anyway but will probably take too long and break many other things along the way), it's just easier to balance a single set and effectively cut off a whole array of builds that are making players go to the forums and ask for sorc nerfs, nb nerfs, this and that, you know how it goes.

On the issue of necropotence, I really think that most people who ask for nerfs probably ran into someone who was stacking something a bit too high, took them out without them being able to deal with it and then they're under the impression that somehow the class is totally unbalanced, all the while it was simply a set that's over-performing compared to most other sets, and thanks to the way that game mechanics are nowadays (even ball of lightning counts as a pet, which is really messed up).

IcyDeadPeople

First we would need a stamina pet...