Dont blame the vultures

Alhatariel

There is much written in many posts about the dropping rate of Buoyant Armiger motifs, but I feel the need to write my part of it here now.

I meet increasingly many people from my guilds that are outraged about both the prices of these motifs in the guildbanks and the droppingrate of them. I myself have now opened 721 chests in Vvarden without finding a single one. We see now that the prices of these motifs are skyhigh, from 200k to 500k.
Most people I meet are furious about the onces that dare to ask so much for these motifs. In addition the rumour goes around that many of them have masses of these motifs in their bank but dont sell them all to keep the prices skyhigh.
Well.......people like that, the vultures, are in each society, also in real life. Vultures who without any respect for other people only are out for getting as much money as possible. Asking 200k to 500k is an unacceptable situation which undermines the pleasure in this game. Shame on them.

Dont blame the vultures. They do what is in their characters!

The real underlaying problem is ofcourse the droppingrate which makes the hunting after this motif a real pain to say it mildly. It should never have had this low droppingrate which we see today, which created the actual situation.
Please, Zos: change the droppingrates before people have enough if this and make their own choices. And dont give the vultures in this game the chances they take today.
I love this game, its my addiction and I am online many hours a day....but really: this got out of hand, fix this unacceptable situation!

Ala

Yakidafi

Loch Ness is easier to find.

FloppyTouch

I have not kept track of how many chest I have open but spent 2 hours a day for a week doing it and never got one.

It's bad rng

GreyWolf_79

Not defending price gouging or people who resort to using "artificial scarcity" to drive up the price of items... but if you and several others have hunted up and down looking for it yourselves, and haven't found it, maybe it really is just "that rare"...? In which case, probably worth the ridiculous price.

Vaoh

ZOS said they'll fix it. Horns of the Reach is going to come out soon and it is still not fixed

They will ofc, but it's just interesting how this motif will soon be on the Crown Store for purchase....

Banana

I just pretend they dont exist.

MLGProPlayer

How could they be hording motifs if the drop rate is this low? That doesn't make any sense.

People need to stop crying about price gouging. The market price is the price people are willing to pay for something, as governed by supply and demand. If you can't afford it, too bad. Someone else can.

starkerealm

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

How could they be hording motifs if the drop rate is this low? That doesn't make any sense.

Theory goes that players with infinite wealth slurp up all of the ones that in the market, then hoard them, and make more sitting on this massive supply known only to them.

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

People need to stop crying about price gouging. The market price is the price people are willing to pay for something, as governed by supply and demand. If you can't afford it, too bad. Someone else can.

Yeah, because of the fractured seller system, it's basically impossible to artificially drive the price of anything too high. If the supply is there, more players will post their listings, and the price will gradually come down. Anyone who tries to fight that will lose their shirt trying to enforce their floor.

You can do things like buying up the supply of something right before demand spikes (if you know when that's going to happen), but you can't keep it there for long because other players will farm that stuff up and cash in.

BlazingDynamo

Nothing wrong with having something a little rare in the game for once. Everything shouldn't just knock on your door or sit in your lap..

With the low prices of mats and basically no way to make any decent cash from pve drops anymore it's nice to have something worth value.

Would you rather have it flooded the market like mercenary?

redshirt_49

The kicker is that it doesn't even look all that great.

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

Nothing wrong with having something a little rare in the game for once. Everything shouldn't just knock on your door or sit in your lap..

With the low prices of mats and basically no way to make any decent cash from pve drops anymore it's nice to have something worth value.

Would you rather have it flooded the market like mercenary?

There's rare and then there's ludicrous scarcity. No way to make any decent cash from pve drops? I can make a million just farming Plague Doctor for a day. So I don't know what you're talking about x)

MornaBaine

Vaoh wrote: »

ZOS said they'll fix it. Horns of the Reach is going to come out soon and it is still not fixed

They will ofc, but it's just interesting how this motif will soon be on the Crown Store for purchase....

And there's the rub.

Azurya

Vaoh wrote: »

ZOS said they'll fix it. Horns of the Reach is going to come out soon and it is still not fixed

They will ofc, but it's just interesting how this motif will soon be on the Crown Store for purchase....

Aaah, they fix it, just like the 100tsd other things they promised to fix

when they say they fix it, that only means SHUTUP and bother your own!
that is what is said by it

ThePrinceOfBargains

I was going to buy a buoyant armiger bow motif off the Guild Store the other day. I saw the lowest price and just laughed.

Seriously, do not pay these jackass players. They're just as bad as ZOS.

zaria

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

How could they be hording motifs if the drop rate is this low? That doesn't make any sense.

People need to stop crying about price gouging. The market price is the price people are willing to pay for something, as governed by supply and demand. If you can't afford it, too bad. Someone else can.

Hoarding make no sense at all as price will go down over time, if price is very high lots of people want to farm it and its limited how many players who will pay a lot.
You saw this with a lot of the Morrowind stuff, I sold green furniture blueprints for 9K the first days.

Hoarding only make sense if you expect prices to rise.

Keep_Door

TL;DR dropping rate is two words and most people say drop rate.

That botherd me to much i couldnt pay attention.

Feanor

It's almost like we can be happy crafted sets are nothing to write home about to begin with...

Triumviri

If ya find one and its one you already have... The drop rate combined with having to cycle thru tons of chest its worth the price. Don't complain.

andreasv

Keep_Door wrote: »

TL;DR dropping rate is two words and most people say drop rate.

That botherd bothered me to too much i I couldnt pay attention.

Mettaricana

I dunno the drop rates but pulled a chest page of armiger from the fort advanced chest i cracked in vvardenfell seeing your post i kinda wish i sold it

SantieClaws

Khajiit has very little issues with vultures. Minding their own business and doing away with the messy remains of fallen enemies yes.

However swans.

Now there is a bird Khajiit would prefer to avoid yes.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

zaria

SantieClaws wrote: »

Khajiit has very little issues with vultures. Minding their own business and doing away with the messy remains of fallen enemies yes.

However swans.

Now there is a bird Khajiit would prefer to avoid yes.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Swans taste well
An big Khajiit who hunt monsters for fun an profit will have no issues with an medium sized bird.

Aliyavana

redshirt_49 wrote: »

The kicker is that it doesn't even look all that great.

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BlazingDynamo wrote: »

Nothing wrong with having something a little rare in the game for once. Everything shouldn't just knock on your door or sit in your lap..

With the low prices of mats and basically no way to make any decent cash from pve drops anymore it's nice to have something worth value.

Would you rather have it flooded the market like mercenary?

There's rare and then there's ludicrous scarcity. No way to make any decent cash from pve drops? I can make a million just farming Plague Doctor for a day. So I don't know what you're talking about x)

That's a matter of opinion. I think it captures the nostalgic look of dunmeric glass well but sadly it is very expensive.

The price reminds me of how glass armor should be, expensive to buy (but not this expensive)

medusasfolly

If anyone found a duplicate motif, I'm betting that 99% of the people complaining about price gouging would list it at the very price they are protesting.

rhapsodious

redshirt_49 wrote: »

The kicker is that it doesn't even look all that great.

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BlazingDynamo wrote: »

Nothing wrong with having something a little rare in the game for once. Everything shouldn't just knock on your door or sit in your lap..

With the low prices of mats and basically no way to make any decent cash from pve drops anymore it's nice to have something worth value.

Would you rather have it flooded the market like mercenary?

There's rare and then there's ludicrous scarcity. No way to make any decent cash from pve drops? I can make a million just farming Plague Doctor for a day. So I don't know what you're talking about x)

Yeah, the drop rate on this motif needs to be looked at again. I took a break for the Midyear Mayhem, but before that I'd be running up and down the eastern half of the island for a good hour each day and I have... three pages. Found my fair share of Advanced and Master chests, too. I get that it should be rare, and I agree, but it's like... finding a decent Vvardenfell furnishing recipe-rare.

It's bringing out the worst in people too, I got called a c-word by a skeleton because we got to a chest at the same time. Twice. :c

SydneyGrey

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

How could they be hording motifs if the drop rate is this low? That doesn't make any sense.

People need to stop crying about price gouging. The market price is the price people are willing to pay for something, as governed by supply and demand. If you can't afford it, too bad. Someone else can.

This. Also, if they sell for a lot lower than everybody else is selling for, then someone will just buy the motif specifically to resell it for higher.

badmojo

medusasfolly wrote: »

If anyone found a duplicate motif, I'm betting that 99% of the people complaining about price gouging would list it at the very price they are protesting.

Obviously. Did you expect them to be the bigger man and sell it cheap? They wont because somevody else would buy it and flip it for mad profit. Free market pricing isnt going to change because a minority of sellers attempt to boycott it.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

The drop rate is kept low so you have to buy it in the Crown store.

Ragemar

So what you are saying is that this game has a bad RNG system ... oh that is new.

Danksta

You know that if you don't like the prices people are charging you can just farm them yourself.

MLGProPlayer

TheMaster wrote: »

I was going to buy a buoyant armiger bow motif off the Guild Store the other day. I saw the lowest price and just laughed.

Seriously, do not pay these jackass players. They're just as bad as ZOS.

Players are jackasses for listing an item at market value?

Are Lamborghini dealers jackasses for not pricing their cars at the same price as Honda Civics?

If you want a rare item, be prepared to pay a premiun for it. Can't afford it? Make more money.

NotNormanBates

It's going to cost like 5000 crown gems lol. They thought free crate event might raise the amount sold. They kept rng low just incase it didn't work.
#zo$thoughts