Why people jump in PvP?

mewcatus

Bah, people and their excuses to avoid exercise. This cyber generation is taking it to the next levels, even a few jumping jacks on the avatars is too much.

silky_soft

CarbonX wrote: »

Simple question; why do several players in PvP jump non-stop while taunting from distance or even while fighting?
 

Bugs out some cc and projectile skills, keeps momentum, so you don't get cc.

WhiteMage

There are many valid reasons to jump about. Myself, I jump over every bit of terrain that looks like it has the slightest chance to catch my character and stop it's movement. I like to be in full control of my character--something that is quite necessary in outnumbered play--so I move as much as I can at all times during battle. If I'm jabbing you, I'm circling you. If I'm trying to LoS or otherwise get to cover, I'll be jumping. The instant my character does not move as I expect it to, that's an almost surefire signal to me that I've been CCed, so I waste no time to react accordingly.

Other good points have been brought up, like adjusting your field of view, taking advantage of the physics in this game, namely the momentum, to keep your speed constant mid-jump, or, as I have heard recently, ignoring directional LoS issues while in midair. I have no experience with those because I play a melee magplar, but it must be useful for ranged builds. There are many subtle applications of jumping have very real gameplay ramifications for the player that utilizes them. They are very slight techniques that are hard to notice as an observer, but are typically employed by those who are trying to push their performance to the limit. Every little bit counts when playing at the very top of the capabilities the game allows you, or even your own capabilities.

kevlarto_ESO

ArchMikem wrote: »

Bunny Hopping.

It's an obsessive behavior common to all forms of Multiplayer Gaming. It serves no genuine purpose other than to be annoying.

And they look really stupid doing it, we always made fun of bunny hoppers how dumb they looked and killed them quickly since it does nothing in this game for targeting.

Insandros

Some old stupid habbit from first person shooters?

TequilaFire

Well if jumping does have these claimed tactical advantages then the case for making jumping cost stamina and or stamina regen is a good one.

Olupajmibanan

Jumping with autorun on allows you to turn your camera without changing moving direction.

Toggle autorun, jump and while jumping turn your camera backwards to check if someone is following you. Then quickly turn your camera to front until jump finishes.

CyrusArya

In this thread: people who get 1vXed by hoppers.

While jumping isn't mechanically relevant on all classes, on some such as mag sorc it helps set a tempo and also maintain your momentum. On others, such a stam sorc or stam DK, casting a skill such as a dark deal or igneous shield while jumping just looks cool.

Nothing game changing, just a simple little touch of finesse. My question to those that have an issue with this is, are you all really so mentally feeble that a little jumping gets you this triggered?

WildWilbur

CarbonX wrote: »

Simple question; why do several players in PvP jump non-stop while taunting from distance or even while fighting?
 

Did you see any toilets in Cyrodiil? Now you know...

Feanor

It's just very relaxing for my fingers.

Smmokkee

To stay moving while i do something else.

Insomnia rex

Because all those pesky small players in Cyro who are rightfully punished by ZOS with starting the swimming animation earlier than their superior counterparts would not be able to navigate the muddy areas, just like in real life xd

Eirella

To trigger people who are easily annoyed and create these kinds of threads.
Edit: Not including THIS thread because OP was asking a legitimate question

Drachenfier

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

Jumping with autorun on allows you to turn your camera without changing moving direction.

Toggle autorun, jump and while jumping turn your camera backwards to check if someone is following you. Then quickly turn your camera to front until jump finishes.

Or you could just use the middle mouse button, or use your movement keys to keep going the same direction while turning the camera, ie, look to the side while pushing the side strafe key, you'll keep moving forward.

Personally, I target bunny hoppers first because they annoy the *** out of me, and I dislike videos where the person making it is hopping all over the screen.

OdinForge

The conspiracy theories in this thread are amusing, so many people overthinking a jump. People will try to pick apart anything as cheating or some exploit.

I didn't start jumping in ESO until I started playing my magsorc specifically, I never jumped on my magnb or other magicka classes. When I play my stam classes I spend far less time attacking at range, and more time running around or using melee.

I rationalize my inability to stop jumping on my magsorc due to snares or roots, and feeling stuck in place so frequently. On my stam classes I roll dodge for expedition and cast shuffle, on my magsorc I just sit in place or maybe streak a few times and stay slowed. But I can do virtually all of my burst at range and jumping is just a thing.

twev

Drummerx04 wrote: »

Jumping around has some interesting practical and psychological impact, minor though it may be.

• It can be distracting to fight a jumping opponent.
• Jumping around can obscure some telling information like when a sorc has frags procced or when certain attacks get launched.
• Some people have trouble tracking movement such as difficulty focusing on a moving target. Jumping is extra movement.
• If opponents are nearby (like within a few meters) and you guys are constantly passing through each other, jumping can make it a little harder to line up the soft lock. It's maybe only buying fractions of a second at a time, but that's extra time that you aren't taking extra hits from them. As other people mentioned, this sort of hails from the FPS and it absolutely works here.
• A lot of good... or simply really irritating and dangerous players jump around constantly. Shaking an opponent's confidence or willingness to attack is a basic part of combat.

Obviously, some people will have a different view on it, and maybe you don't think a jumping opponent has a tactical advantage or that jumping gives a psychological advantage, but consider this... some people are so bothered by jumpers that they make forum posts asking for jumps to cost stamina like dodge rolling does.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/362286/sost-in-stamina-for-jumps

Psychological impact confirmed.

Absolutely jumping should cost stamina.
Why should it be free?
Bunnyhopping should cost extra.

IRL:
Trot a hundred paces.
Time yourself threading a needle.
Now bunnyhop the same distance back in the same amount of time.
Time yourself threading a needle.

Tell me you're having no effects and can thread a needle the same in both cases.

Why should a player have unlimited stamina bunnyhopping all over the map?

DHale

It makes it harder for people to line up combos. But mostly just to be annoying.

Thalmor-Nordmaster

That's my pee pee dance. Coffee and blunts make me have to go really really bad sometimes and I can't leave my post at the keep.

Dragonnord

Eirella wrote: »

To trigger people who are easily annoyed and create these kinds of threads.

@Eirella, really? Where does it say I'm annoyed by them? I asked a simple question to know if there is a real/specific reason behind jumping. You have a big lack of reading comprehension.
 

Insomnia rex

Feanor wrote: »

It's just very relaxing for my fingers.

I dropped GW because i could not bunny jump :P, now it's my first question if someone wants promote a new drug MMO to me.

Rouven

The real reason:

Egonieser

ArchMikem wrote: »

Bunny Hopping.

It's an obsessive behavior common to all forms of Multiplayer Gaming. It serves no genuine purpose other than to be annoying.

@ArchMikem No, it's a ages old reflex most predominantly in slightly older gamers that lived and breathed through Quake and UT era (and some more modern arena shooters, such as Overwatch, Team Fortress etc) where it, contrary to what you say, served a very practical and actually, needed purpose - avoiding incoming shots, rockets, projectiles and to confuse the enemy and making it harder to aim.
I, myself am guilty of doing it, and i don't do it to annoy people, i just can't shake off many, many years of reflexes on a whim because it annoys somebody, nor do i care to. In some cases it intimidates some less experienced enemies, as it shows confidence and fearlessness, so it does serve a purpose to an extent..
I see a nightblade stealthing in front of me and waiting to pick his moment - I fearlessly bunnyhop to his last location basically telling him to "Come at me, bro" and thus, 80% of the times they never came. It ALL serves a purpose, just some people don't see it or haven't played games in general long enough to understand significance of certain gestures long rooted in gaming. They just see it as "annoying" because they themselves never went through it.

While some people do it just because they like it (with no real reason other than having twitchy fingers), others do it because they are long time competitive shooter veterans, and chances are - they are good here too, being competitive and all. There is a reason people in PvP that dominate practically everyone almost always bunnyhop - they've been doing it in other competitive games for a very long time and developed reflex of it, a muscle memory they are not even aware of anymore, and it strikes a certain level of fear in others who know what it signifies, that this person could be a potentially deadly foe.
While not always the case, obviously, it certainly is quite often.

Shardan4968

I don't jump all the time in PvP, unless when I'm just bored. But looks like some guys here have really traumatic experience with jumping players. I don't know why some people really care.

Eirella

CarbonX wrote: »

Eirella wrote: »

To trigger people who are easily annoyed and create these kinds of threads.

@Eirella, really? Where does it say I'm annoyed by them? I asked a simple question to know if there is a real/specific reason behind jumping. You have a big lack of reading comprehension.
 

I suppose my reply wasn't referring to you specifically (though I guess I kind of phrased it like it was.) I've just seen many silly threads before about hopping in pvp, and some people even saying jumping should cost stamina.

I have great reading comprehension btw, thanks.

Danksta

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

Simple question; why do several players in PvP jump non-stop while taunting from distance or even while fighting?
 

To animation cancel...

You see this a lot with Sorcs as they are attempting to use Frags on you while skipping it's animation...

Essentially, they can get rid of its cast time and cast it instantly...

Except you can't animation cancel anything with a jump.

Danksta

Lots of reasons. Too much energy, trying to get some noob to stray away from his/her zerg, trying to not get stuck on a stupid pebble, to *** people off that think it's annoying, to say hi to someone you know without saying/typing anything and my new favorite that I just read in this thread, for the high elevation tbag.

Blairy087

jlboozer wrote: »

It works in shooters, I stay vertical in Destiny. Wouldn't know in ESO, I play this game for PvE and Destiny for PvP...

Bob?

Dragonnord

Eirella wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

Eirella wrote: »

To trigger people who are easily annoyed and create these kinds of threads.

@Eirella, really? Where does it say I'm annoyed by them? I asked a simple question to know if there is a real/specific reason behind jumping. You have a big lack of reading comprehension.
 

I suppose my reply wasn't referring to you specifically (though I guess I kind of phrased it like it was.) I've just seen many silly threads before about hopping in pvp, and some people even saying jumping should cost stamina.

I have great reading comprehension btw, thanks.

You just didn't phrase it accordingly then by saying "these kind of threads". I got your explanation.
 

Drummerx04

Valen_Byte wrote: »

Drummerx04 wrote: »

Jumping around has some interesting practical and psychological impact, minor though it may be.

• It can be distracting to fight a jumping opponent.
• Jumping around can obscure some telling information like when a sorc has frags procced or when certain attacks get launched.
• Some people have trouble tracking movement such as difficulty focusing on a moving target. Jumping is extra movement.
• If opponents are nearby (like within a few meters) and you guys are constantly passing through each other, jumping can make it a little harder to line up the soft lock. It's maybe only buying fractions of a second at a time, but that's extra time that you aren't taking extra hits from them. As other people mentioned, this sort of hails from the FPS and it absolutely works here.
• A lot of good... or simply really irritating and dangerous players jump around constantly. Shaking an opponent's confidence or willingness to attack is a basic part of combat.

Obviously, some people will have a different view on it, and maybe you don't think a jumping opponent has a tactical advantage or that jumping gives a psychological advantage, but consider this... some people are so bothered by jumpers that they make forum posts asking for jumps to cost stamina like dodge rolling does.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/362286/sost-in-stamina-for-jumps

Psychological impact confirmed.

Thats a lot of words. Jumping in the middle of a zerg makes it much easier for me to get a tab target on you. Doesnt distract me at all. Helps me focus you. To someone who doesnt get flustered in a battle, its just making it easier to single you out.

Wait, so you are telling me that if you see someone jumping around in a zerg, you target them? So I can jump around and you'll target me instead of some of the squishier members of my group? So I can DISTRACT you into targeting me instead of our healers?

I should probably add this to the list, thanks man!

TequilaFire

On console we get the modded controller with a mode called Jump Shot.
When Jump Shot is enabled, your player will automatically jump up in the air when you fire your weapon/ability - throwing your opponent's aim off.
Always makes me think of this mod when I see archers jumping.