Bring back the harder game!

Drpsychoball

Remember where there used to be a certain zone for certain level, colharbour being for the highest levels? Kind of getting annoyed of lvl 10 players running around coldharbour and killing every mob with ease. Make the game harder like it used to be.

Balsagna

Keep zones the same

casuals pay bills, something people still do not seem to understand. Parents with kids and a family with 6 hours a week to play are what matters, not the hardcore elite 10 hour a day guy. You're the minority, like everyone in These forums (including myself).

If there is anything that prevents a casual from playing the game, like a steep learning curve, that's never going to happen.

The thing that further annoys me is you have the power to make the game as hard as you want. Gimp yourself and do the content. It will be a challenge.

spiiros

Ask casuals to run vMol HM

Kanar

I like having all zone open to all levels, because then I can play with my lowbie friends. However the overland does need to be more challenging; even my brother who is terrible at video games and wears gear for style not specs complains that it is too easy.

casparian

Keep zones the same

I think it's a fair consensus that One Tamriel improved the game.

What I would like to see is the option to make the main quest, and just the main quest, significantly harder. (The way it used to be!) Mannimarco and Molag Bal are two of the most infamous and intimidating baddies in the entire TES series, and I was really forward to walking away from this game with memories of challenging, satisfying battles against them. Instead, I light-attacked them both to death. Talk about a letdown.

Those fights deserve to be two of the best solo combat experiences available in the entire TES series, and ESO's combat design lays the groundwork to make that possible -- all that's lacking is a difficulty increase.

Keep_Door

Keep zones the same

Play pvp.

See how many lvl 10's sre running around killing then.

Cardhwion

Keep zones the same

Drpsychoball wrote: »

Remember where there used to be a certain zone for certain level, colharbour being for the highest levels? Kind of getting annoyed of lvl 10 players running around coldharbour and killing every mob with ease. Make the game harder like it used to be.

No thanks. I enjoy not being forced down a certain leveling path, not having to do the zones in one predetermined sequence, but to actually be able to decide what I'd like to do and then just do it.

Sigtric

Keep zones the same

I'm fine with making things more challenging overall, but the scaling changes/One Tamriel stuff has been great for the game. it just needs some tweaking.

Aurie

Keep zones the same

But introduce a difficulty level option, like other games do.

Demolitionary

Keep zones the same

Balsagna wrote: »

casuals pay bills, something people still do not seem to understand. Parents with kids and a family with 6 hours a week to play are what matters, not the hardcore elite 10 hour a day guy. You're the minority, like everyone in These forums (including myself).

If there is anything that prevents a casual from playing the game, like a steep learning curve, that's never going to happen.

The thing that further annoys me is you have the power to make the game as hard as you want. Gimp yourself and do the content. It will be a challenge.

Couldn't have put it better myself.

Rex-Umbra

Keep zones the same

Make pve harder but keep the scaling

Sigtric

Keep zones the same

Aurelle1 wrote: »

But introduce a difficulty level option, like other games do.

The only games I've played that do this run small instances for the multiplayer game world. 2-4 players are all you ever see in the combat areas. I wouldn't want to see that in ESO.

RainfeatherUK

Seperate zones by levels

The days where this game was aimed at anything except skilless babies is over, sorry.

theamazingx

Keep zones the same

Overworld content was never difficult. Scaling just lets people quest in whatever order they want.

I'm not sure what you're trying to "bring back".

Sygil05

Keep zones the same

I'd have much preferred playing through the game under One Tamriel, rather than the level-specific zones that were in place when I leveled up most of my characters.

It was miserable whenever you would out-level whatever zone you were in for the storyline, and there was no point in going to the low level zones after you leveled out of them.

seedubsrun

Should have an "Other" option. Another post that came up today suggested adding an optional vet difficulty mode to standard overland gameplay. Would effect storyline quests, guild quests, and overland battles. Seems like that would be the better option. If lvl 10 players are mowing down enemies everywhere so what? If that's what they want let em have it. If you personally think things are too easy for you then that should be something you can change if you'd like.

Magdalina

Keep zones the same

Eh I feel levels aren't the issue, it's a good thing that all the open world is open to everyone. Issue is there's virtually no challenge for anyone of ANY level whatsoever outside of vet dungeons/trials. There needs to be a learning curve and it's severely lacking. Personally I'm for slightly buffing the difficulty across the board, introducing better tutorial, buffing main quest difficulty SIGNIFICANTLY along with main quest rewards/xp - main quest is one questline most people tend to do so it'd make sense to make it the questline that actually teaches you something. And, once again, more tutorials/npcs you can ask questions etc. The one in the beginning barely teaches you anything and then you forget it all anyway because nothing in the open world actually requires you to dodge/bash/block etc. Perhaps buff main quest and make your main quest companion/Prophet offer advices if needed or something.

I also miss old Craglorn which was one challenging zone back in the day. With battle leveling it doesn't have to be locked behind level but it was great to have a zone that actually made you pay attention to your surroundings and taught you some game mechanics.

Levels on their own change nothing, aside from vet zones your level mobs were never that hard anyway(the few that were got nerfed really fast). If anything levels make things easier because anything you can't beat you can outlevel and THEN beat. I honestly can't comment on old leveling experience much because in non vet zones I was always permanently 7+ levels above all the content due to doing every quest possible and it really sucked.

Tandor

Keep zones the same

It's not simply to do with casual versus hardcore. The beauty of One Tamriel is that you can do any of the content in any order, so if you want to focus on completing the main story you can, or if you want to do a DLC like the Thieves Guild without having to wait until you're level 50 for fear of out-leveling the base content then you can do that. Meanwhile even visiting old zones has a purpose as you get gear, materials, and xp for combat there. Being over-leveled for the base content was frankly always a problem pre-One Tamriel. Even if you didn't do any of the DLCs the content was trivial by your early 30s if you did all the quests in every zone.

The main reason some players now find the overland content so easy with low level characters is because they're allocating hundreds of champion points to them. That's fine for those who want to sail through the content with ease, but those who prefer a bit more of a contest can choose not to allocate any champion points until they're level 50.

Magdalina

Keep zones the same

Tandor wrote: »

It's not simply to do with casual versus hardcore. The beauty of One Tamriel is that you can do any of the content in any order, so if you want to focus on completing the main story you can, or if you want to do a DLC like the Thieves Guild without having to wait until you're level 50 for fear of out-leveling the base content then you can do that. Meanwhile even visiting old zones has a purpose as you get gear, materials, and xp for combat there. Being over-leveled for the base content was frankly always a problem pre-One Tamriel. Even if you didn't do any of the DLCs the content was trivial by your early 30s if you did all the quests in every zone.

The main reason some players now find the overland content so easy with low level characters is because they're allocating hundreds of champion points to them. That's fine for those who want to sail through the content with ease, but those who prefer a bit more of a contest can choose not to allocate any champion points until they're level 50.

I'm not gonna claim CPs don't make a difference, but they don't make THAT much of a difference. They make what is strong, stronger. But what is weak, is still weak. When trying out EU server recently I could still solo WB as a level ~45 in broken armor 20 levels behind me. It took forever and was definitely not easy but it was possible. And even then normal mobs dropped within 4 seconds tops. No cp there. It's more of game knowledge - which is something ESO doesn't share with you at all unless you're into looking up guides or asking the forums

Jitterbug

Keep zones the same

I want some checks back in the base game.
Like Doshia where people have to learn the orb mechanic.

7788b14_ESO

There should be a hard setting for a more challenging game which offers better rewards for the efforts. I like the current setup but have no problems with a difficulty setting for others who want something more difficult.

7788b14_ESO

Magdalina wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

It's not simply to do with casual versus hardcore. The beauty of One Tamriel is that you can do any of the content in any order, so if you want to focus on completing the main story you can, or if you want to do a DLC like the Thieves Guild without having to wait until you're level 50 for fear of out-leveling the base content then you can do that. Meanwhile even visiting old zones has a purpose as you get gear, materials, and xp for combat there. Being over-leveled for the base content was frankly always a problem pre-One Tamriel. Even if you didn't do any of the DLCs the content was trivial by your early 30s if you did all the quests in every zone.

The main reason some players now find the overland content so easy with low level characters is because they're allocating hundreds of champion points to them. That's fine for those who want to sail through the content with ease, but those who prefer a bit more of a contest can choose not to allocate any champion points until they're level 50.

I'm not gonna claim CPs don't make a difference, but they don't make THAT much of a difference. They make what is strong, stronger. But what is weak, is still weak. When trying out EU server recently I could still solo WB as a level ~45 in broken armor 20 levels behind me. It took forever and was definitely not easy but it was possible. And even then normal mobs dropped within 4 seconds tops. No cp there. It's more of game knowledge - which is something ESO doesn't share with you at all unless you're into looking up guides or asking the forums

I left the game for awhile came back and played through some content and later realized my CP had been reset and everything was at zero, I hadn't even noticed it. I think it makes a bigger difference on a lower level character.

AlMcFly

Keep zones the same

One Tamriel is an improvement on the old system in so many ways.

Lore-wise, having progressively more difficult zones arbitrarily is ridiculous and makes no sense. It is MUCH more realistic when all citizens of the world are only slightly more powerful than each other. "Levels" are just arbitrary numbers put in a game so that you feel progression.

The point of this game is that you are just one soldier among a million other equally trained soldiers in a fight that spans the entire world. What you are advocating is for there to be 500,000 gods and 500,000 weaklings, arbitrarily separated by the zones they've played in most. That's not realistic, and ESO is trying to keep a measure of realism in their fantasy.

In reality, Chinese people aren't 100x physically stronger than Australians, by virtue of growing up in a different geographic location. We are all limited in the strength of our species, and none of us are divine.

Certain zones should be more difficult because enemy tactics should progressively be harder to counter. Adding more numbers to their health stat or damage stats is just the lazy, unimaginative, way of adding "difficulty". Making something take longer to kill is not the same as making them more difficult.

Septimus_Magna

Keep zones the same

Zones can stay the same but the difficulty should be higher. Motivate new players to learn the mechanics of the game instead of light attacking their way through the game.

Demycilian

Seperate zones by levels

One Tamriel broke my ESO heart and was the starting point of the games ongoing decline.

sentientomega

Keep zones the same

One Tamriel's the best thing to happen to ESO, but what I don't want is the overland/instanced difficulty increased for everybody. There should be optional difficulty settings, so those demanding a challenge can't dictate how those of us who don't want a challenge play and get their difficulty fix, while leaving the other ones alone. And there are ways of giving yourself a challenge, anyway.

Fun is subjective, those among you who are challenge-hungry, do you really want to force people to have fun "your" way? I can't speak for anyone else, but it sure would kill the mood for me. And so, options are better.

AlMcFly

Keep zones the same

sentientomega wrote: »

those among you who are challenge-hungry, do you really want to force people to have fun "your" way? I can't speak for anyone else, but it sure would kill the mood for me.

Most people in the real-world are almost entirely self-interested and couldn't care less how their actions and desires adversely affect those around them. Naturally, this same characteristic gets amplified x10 when in a fantasy-land, protected by the internet's anonymity.

Strider_Roshin

I miss pve that required you to be awake. It's a shame what they did to craglorn and IC.

ezeepeezee

I think the devs deserve some credit here, they have done some things lately to add challenge. One of the big things that the game lacked was the player getting CC'd by mobs, which they did add to a few things, most noticeably the Daedroth. If they keep changing things like this, making you actually have to use the mechanics, I'd be on board with it.

Marto

Keep zones the same

I think the better way devs could introduce a harder difficulty is by allowing us to turn our champion point bonuses on or off with the click of a button.

It'd also benefit players trying to test in duels.

starkerealm

Keep zones the same

The game might benefit from a Vet version of the overland zones, that you can switch over to from the group menu.