I guess I don't understand

Nordic_Pirate

What is the big fuss over Selene monster helm set. I have LITERALLY, NEVER been killed by Selene's EVER. It is so easy to dodge roll, or block (for you useless magdks that block and spam spells behind the comfort of your block), or break free roll-dodge.. I see so many people complain about the set, but the animation takes forever, and it's so easy to dodge.

I use this set, and I will admit it needs to be nerfed: Valkyn Skoria. Try roll dodging that as a meteor designed by the heavens comes down to strike you and your friends with their fancy little crap Selenes helmet.

GeorgeBlack

What about Selenes shoulder?


All proc sets should be removed. The armor is not supposed to deal damage. You got weapon skills class skills guild skills AvAvA skills to use in order to deal damage.

Armors should give stats. But whatever...

Nordic_Pirate

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

What about Selenes shoulder?

Are you talking about the one piece ~1k stamina buff? If so, who cares?

neal_brasier

I think I've died from selenes once and vipers twice but that seems enough for most people to jump on board the nerf train lol

neal_brasier

I think I've died from selenes once and vipers twice but that seems enough for most people to jump on board the nerf train lol

Kova

"My experience is the main experience and everyone else's is an anomaly."

Drummerx04

Not everyone has the ping to break free in time. Many builds don't have the stam to continuously dodge it and also unblockable CCs exist. Imagine getting attacked by two stamblades (pretty common) who time a fear with selene procs and incaps. It procs pretty frequently with low cooldown and if it does connect it hits for 4-6k

Though I agree with you. I hate skoria far more than I hate selene.

Nordic_Pirate

neal_brasier wrote: »

I think I've died from selenes once and vipers twice but that seems enough for most people to jump on board the nerf train lol

*Insert Michael Scott 'Thank You' gif*

People jump on the nerf train way too much. I've seen sooooo many games ruined by nerfs and people unable to play the game to the set standard. WoW, LOTRO, EQ. WoW is far too easy with far too much content to get on board after 12 years of being out, LOTRO was awesome when it first came out. I bought the lifetime membership so everytime I go back I have the equivalant of 100k+ crowns, and all DLC. but I can't play it anymore because I remember the good old days.

I swear, casuals ruin my favorite games. Wish I could play single player stuff and be happy.

Rohamad_Ali

People complain about all proc sets that do free damage . There are people out there that do not think armor should be doing damage at all . It's just an opinion they have . Perspective is usually people that wear it don't think it does enough and people that see it in a death recap think it does too much . Same with skoria .

AlienatedGoat

Nordicly_Responsible wrote: »

I use this set, and I will admit it needs to be nerfed: Valkyn Skoria. Try roll dodging that as a meteor designed by the heavens comes down to strike you and your friends with their fancy little crap Selenes helmet.

Isn't Selene's getting another nerf in the upcoming patch? Honestly, I think Selene's is crap for PvP - it's only real use is in PvE.

Nordic_Pirate

Drummerx04 wrote: »

Not everyone has the ping to break free in time. Many builds don't have the stam to continuously dodge it and also unblockable CCs exist. Imagine getting attacked by two stamblades (pretty common) who time a fear with selene procs and incaps. It procs pretty frequently with low cooldown and if it does connect it hits for 4-6k

Though I agree with you. I hate skoria far more than I hate selene.

I've seen people ganked by selenes, and I understand that people don't have the stamina to do certain things. I'm a stam sorc, I don't have the magicka to bomb blade but you don't see me screaming for a nerf. It's not my build. If ping is the issue...it's the servers or your computer and that is not the games fault, so don't nerf everyone because of something that you bought, or the servers are a little faulty.

Nordic_Pirate

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

People complain about all proc sets that do free damage . There are people out there that do not think armor should be doing damage at all . It's just an opinion they have . Perspective is usually people that wear it don't think it does enough and people that see it in a death recap think it does too much . Same with skoria .

Perspective is everything, except people will complain the game into the ground.

Phage wrote: »

Nordicly_Responsible wrote: »

I use this set, and I will admit it needs to be nerfed: Valkyn Skoria. Try roll dodging that as a meteor designed by the heavens comes down to strike you and your friends with their fancy little crap Selenes helmet.

Isn't Selene's getting another nerf in the upcoming patch? Honestly, I think Selene's is crap for PvP - it's only real use is in PvE.

Probably, and Selenes is crap for PvP. I haven't seen it kill anyone unless it was a lucky and skill based (root/cc) strike. It's a proc so it isn't guranteed. And, if you're like me with stamina to spare, it's easy as apple pie to break out of.

AlienatedGoat

Nordicly_Responsible wrote: »

Probably, and Selenes is crap for PvP. I haven't seen it kill anyone unless it was a lucky and skill based (root/cc) strike. It's a proc so it isn't guranteed. And, if you're like me with stamina to spare, it's easy as apple pie to break out of.

Yeah it is: "Selene: This Item Set’s proc now displays a hostile telegraph to enemy players indicating its area of effect."

So if people can't get out of the way now, they sure as hell will after that lol.

Kova

I don't think selene is really a problem. I think it's a fun monster set that is quite easily telegraphed and avoided.

But with that admittance, could you not see the problem with an unavoidable, untelegraphed, free damage proc from vipers and widowmaker? I know you said you guys don't personally die to it that much, but I honestly can't either believe you or disbelieve you.

I returned to the game after 5 months of absence for the pvp event and was discouraged to see the same proc meta running rampant. This is important: It use to be that the argument was that stamina players should do more damage because they take more risk and magicka is mostly long range, but that is no longer the case. It use to be that stamina should use less resources and do more damage because you also roll dodge and sprint, but that is no longer the case as magicka users consume just as much stamina.

But there are no INSTANT damage proc sets for magicka. The closest we have is skoria, and that has a health trait and requires DoTs.

BuddyAces

Never died from it either. Power leveled a gankblade just for pvp cuz I felt like being that guy. G'damn thing hardly ever procs for me. Don't get what the fuss is all about.

Nordic_Pirate

Kova wrote: »

I don't think selene is really a problem. I think it's a fun monster set that is quite easily telegraphed and avoided.

But with that admittance, could you not see the problem with an unavoidable, untelegraphed, free damage proc from vipers and widowmaker? I know you said you guys don't personally die to it that much, but I honestly can't either believe you or disbelieve you.

I returned to the game after 5 months of absence for the pvp event and was discouraged to see the same proc meta running rampant. This is important: It use to be that the argument was that stamina players should do more damage because they take more risk and magicka is mostly long range, but that is no longer the case. It use to be that stamina should use less resources and do more damage because you also roll dodge and sprint, but that is no longer the case as magicka users consume just as much stamina.

But there are no INSTANT damage proc sets for magicka. The closest we have is skoria, and that has a health trait and requires DoTs.

Alright well now we get interesting. So unseeable procs are a demon on the battlefield, as a stam sorc who ran vipers, black rose, sword and board and tremor scale I can tell you that the results are deadly and perhaps unfair. HOWEVER...you will NEVER see a stam character jump into a zerg of 50 people and proc proximity det, destro ulti and all of the other things that make bomb builds work that climbs them to the top of the leaderboards for emperor solo playing.

Also, from a PvE perspective, as a stam sorc I struggle to pull the numbers required to get into major trials. I still have yet to do vMOL or vHOF because I simply can't pull 30k+ DPS as most people require.

IMHO: Magicka is far over powered in this game and stamina is consistently left behind. So we get a little bone that is invisi proc sets....but it's always against one player. It is not killing 50 people at a time and wiping a keep solo. Or getting us into the major raids.

Sylosi

Nordicly_Responsible wrote: »

I swear, casuals ruin my favorite games. Wish I could play single player stuff and be happy.

Except "casuals" who can't setup or time burst is exactly who procs sets are made for...

Aisle9

It may be my latency, but I've never been able to rolldodge, or just move, out of Selene's proc.

On the other hand, I don't usually get killed by it, so...

Dunno, who cares ? It's going to get the telegraph, so even easier to get out of it

Here's my opinion on proc sets: monster helmets with procs, sure, nice, like skoria, with an 8% proc chance off dots (that can be clensed, therefore no proc). 50% or even 100% proc chance it's just stupid, instead of being an addition to your already working build, it becomes your build, which doesn't make any sense.

Luckily they are taking steps in the right direction.

Nordic_Pirate

Sylosi wrote: »

Nordicly_Responsible wrote: »

I swear, casuals ruin my favorite games. Wish I could play single player stuff and be happy.

Except "casuals" who can't setup or time burst is exactly who procs sets are made for...

I disagree. Proc sets add a valuable dynamic to the game in both PvE and PvP and it makes every fight different. You could be going up against a resource stacked player, or a proc player with the same type of toon. It makes it difficult to discern who is doing what and adds depth to the game. I would gladly get rid of all of the proc sets, if, and only if, we got an additional skill line for each class. We need more depth and creation to truly be able to make this game more dynamic and personal.

Insandros

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

What about Selenes shoulder?


All proc sets should be removed. The armor is not supposed to deal damage. You got weapon skills class skills guild skills AvAvA skills to use in order to deal damage.

Armors should give stats. But whatever...

stop crying you'll get lot of proc set nerf in in next patch, us PvE thank you pvper cryers for this.

Malmai

Meh its been nerfed and will be nerfed in future the real question is when will they nerf shield stacking which is the real problem and the exploits boi o boi CE is still strong in this game...

Valen_Byte

Personal, I dont think armor should do damage. Weather its easy to counter or not. If you want to kill me, do it by pushing buttons better than I push buttons.

jcaceresw

Dont nerf Skoria. It's fine. I use it and also died by other people using it. It do not proc a lot like it should even when I use many AOE fire skills to try it to proc.

Aisle9

jcaceresw wrote: »

Dont nerf Skoria. It's fine. I use it and also died by other people using it. It do not proc a lot like it should even when I use many AOE fire skills to try it to proc.

maybe because it procs of DoTs, not AoEs ?

xD

Kova

Nordicly_Responsible wrote: »

Kova wrote: »

I don't think selene is really a problem. I think it's a fun monster set that is quite easily telegraphed and avoided.

But with that admittance, could you not see the problem with an unavoidable, untelegraphed, free damage proc from vipers and widowmaker? I know you said you guys don't personally die to it that much, but I honestly can't either believe you or disbelieve you.

I returned to the game after 5 months of absence for the pvp event and was discouraged to see the same proc meta running rampant. This is important: It use to be that the argument was that stamina players should do more damage because they take more risk and magicka is mostly long range, but that is no longer the case. It use to be that stamina should use less resources and do more damage because you also roll dodge and sprint, but that is no longer the case as magicka users consume just as much stamina.

But there are no INSTANT damage proc sets for magicka. The closest we have is skoria, and that has a health trait and requires DoTs.

Alright well now we get interesting. So unseeable procs are a demon on the battlefield, as a stam sorc who ran vipers, black rose, sword and board and tremor scale I can tell you that the results are deadly and perhaps unfair. HOWEVER...you will NEVER see a stam character jump into a zerg of 50 people and proc proximity det, destro ulti and all of the other things that make bomb builds work that climbs them to the top of the leaderboards for emperor solo playing.

Also, from a PvE perspective, as a stam sorc I struggle to pull the numbers required to get into major trials. I still have yet to do vMOL or vHOF because I simply can't pull 30k+ DPS as most people require.

IMHO: Magicka is far over powered in this game and stamina is consistently left behind. So we get a little bone that is invisi proc sets....but it's always against one player. It is not killing 50 people at a time and wiping a keep solo. Or getting us into the major raids.

I think that's where our bias' lies then. I can definitely agree that magicka has insane potential and is vastly overpowered when doing suicide runs against zergs. Also, the pve scene is monstrous for stamina. I say that as a stamdk and stam sorc lover, and it's ridiculous the work you have to put into decent numbers.

A long time ago a lot of us duelers and raid guild leaders predicted that the game would come to this schism and it really sucks that we were right. I will still assert that stamina dominates taking on multiple opponents in small scale, but must admit that magicka rules large scale. Proc sets aren't the answer for either side, but I honestly don't know how to fix it.

There's just something about free damage procs that really bothers me. It's like hearing a rich kid tell you "it's all about hard work and anyone can do it!" I might have a skill that does damage to a lot of people at once or something that protects me from a hard hit, but at least I had to press that skill for the effect.

zcripturez

I don't get why proc sets are so popular. IMO if an ability doesn't have a guaranteed way for it to happen I usually toss it off as trash unless it has a really high chance to happen like 50% or so.

SirAndy

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

The armor is not supposed to deal damage.

Says who?

QuebraRegra

Nordicly_Responsible wrote: »

What is the big fuss over Selene monster helm set. I have LITERALLY, NEVER been killed by Selene's EVER. It is so easy to dodge roll, or block (for you useless magdks that block and spam spells behind the comfort of your block), or break free roll-dodge.. I see so many people complain about the set, but the animation takes forever, and it's so easy to dodge.

I use this set, and I will admit it needs to be nerfed: Valkyn Skoria. Try roll dodging that as a meteor designed by the heavens comes down to strike you and your friends with their fancy little crap Selenes helmet.

I was starting to wonder if there was some sort of disinformation campaign afoot to get fools to slot SELENEs. I used it in PVE and it misses NPCs more than it hits.. when and if it procs.

Somebody carny my lowly CP370 thru XBO NA VET COS so I can get the VELIDRETH helmet

QuebraRegra

zcripturez wrote: »

I don't get why proc sets are so popular. IMO if an ability doesn't have a guaranteed way for it to happen I usually toss it off as trash unless it has a really high chance to happen like 50% or so.

I dislike the RNG mechanism... combat should be about skill not luck.

That said there are some sets that can be proc'd VERY reliably for an almost 100% uptime.

Aisle9

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

The armor is not supposed to deal damage.

Come hug your nana

vamp_emily

Valen_Byte wrote: »

Personal, I dont think armor should do damage. Weather its easy to counter or not. If you want to kill me, do it by pushing buttons better than I push buttons.

I push buttons better than you and I still die!