Mages Guild final quest reward needs to be re-worked

Sheva I 7 I

Choice 1: 2 skill points
Choice 2 : Your Mages Guild skill line will level up 50% faster

Beardimus

Not keen on that, Meteor should be earnt else every scrub will have it on all their toons..

Done properly lore books as part of zone clears dont take long

I likes the decision anyway between doing right thing or personal gain. Felt big at the time

Nestor

Its about the only quest in the game that has an actual consequence. Leave it be.

Vipstaakki

Anyone who doesn't

save Valaste

is a monster and their character should be made into a slave of Molag Bal for all eternity.

AlnilamE

Vipstaakki wrote: »

Anyone who doesn't

save Valaste

is a monster and their character should be made into a slave of Molag Bal for all eternity.

Exactly!

Uncle Sheo can stuff his skill point where the butterflies don't go.

Tr4gicDe4th

Vipstaakki wrote: »

Anyone who doesn't

save Valaste

is a monster and their character should be made into a slave of Molag Bal for all eternity.

i didn't

RoyalPink06

Saw the OP of this thread and got excited thinking it would be another glorious gibberish post. I was disappointed.

Nestor wrote: »

Its about the only quest in the game that has an actual consequence. Leave it be.

Agree.

I always sacrifice Valaste. Although I wish I could sacrifice Shalidor instead because my god he's just awful.

Sheva I 7 I

Nestor wrote: »

Its about the only quest in the game that has an actual consequence. Leave it be.

valaste helps you interpret information from books better, everything makes perfect sense

Appleblade

Team Valaste 4evah!

Seriously, if you need 2 skill points that badly by the end of Mages guild...

Balthyzar

If you actually pay attention to what's happening in the mages guild story line, including all the ghost image memories, you will quickly realize that sending Valast with uncle Sheao is the right choice. Keeping her and supposedly curing her is the truly evil choice. I'm surprised no one else here noticed that.

Betsararie

I let her go with Sheogorath because you get 2 skill points. That is a lot of skill points and if you don't get them there, there is no opportunity to get them later.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Appleblade wrote: »

Team Valaste 4evah!

Seriously, if you need 2 skill points that badly by the end of Mages guild...

More then I need some pointless npc walking around...

SilverIce58

Vipstaakki wrote: »

Anyone who doesn't

save Valaste

is a monster and their character should be made into a slave of Molag Bal for all eternity.

She practically begs you to send her to the Shivering Isles, so really YOU'RE the monster for not honoring her wishes. Plus, she never fit in around everyone else anyway, so it's better for her to be around people who understand her.

feyii

I also always send her with Sheogorath. Not because of the two skill points, but because I think it's the better outcome for her. And, seriously, the first time I finished this quest, I thought to myself

"I don't care about this book, but please take me with you as well!"

I actually envy Valaste because she gets to live on the Shivering Isles.


But on topic, it is a bit unfair, that you can miss these skill points. On the other hand, finishing the mages quild questline doesn't take that long and you could always make a new character just to get the book and put it into your bank for another char.

Feanor

I don't know. Prince Maleel would beg to differ if one were to describe the Isles as an enjoyable place

ParaNostram

I wish more quests had decisions of such weight in them.

jaschacasadiob16_ESO

Well, it does not surprise me that anyone who was initiated into the Dark Brotherhood sacrificed Velaste. You monsters! I don't give a damn about 2 skills points. Saving her is the Right Thing(TM).

Appleblade

It's not a challenging moral choice in the slightest.

She want to go to Shivering Isles because Sheo has brainwashed/enchanted her. It's like not rescuing a hostage because they have Stockholm syndrome, or the bad guys doped them up on drugs. She's not of sound mind when making the request. And she thanks you if you save her.

As for Valaste's sad past, you hear people talk about her afterward. She's a hero of Nirn now. But, yeah, let's send her to live in a realm of madness with a Daedric prince that causes towns to destroy themselves for fun. Yeah, that's the best pescription for a sad childhood- wandering about a plane of Oblivion completely mind effed as a plaything for the being that mind effed her.

DPShiro

SilverIce58 wrote: »

Vipstaakki wrote: »

Anyone who doesn't

save Valaste

is a monster and their character should be made into a slave of Molag Bal for all eternity.

She practically begs you to send her to the Shivering Isles, so really YOU'RE the monster for not honoring her wishes. Plus, she never fit in around everyone else anyway, so it's better for her to be around people who understand her.

feyii wrote: »

I also always send her with Sheogorath. Not because of the two skill points, but because I think it's the better outcome for her. And, seriously, the first time I finished this quest, I thought to myself

"I don't care about this book, but please take me with you as well!"

I actually envy Valaste because she gets to live on the Shivering Isles.


But on topic, it is a bit unfair, that you can miss these skill points. On the other hand, finishing the mages quild questline doesn't take that long and you could always make a new character just to get the book and put it into your bank for another char.

Agree with these^

Always send her with uncle Sheo and the pretty butterflies. For the first time in her life she is happy, and around people who appreciate, understands and values her.

If the rewards would have been reversed I would still always let her go, she deserves it after being used by that filthy drunken nord who during a week long bender went all "look at mee imma wizzzarrd nao lulz" and somehow got placed as Arch-Mage of the Mages Guild.
I'm 100% sure Vanus and other higher profiles in the guild just let him keep the position as a mascot and as someone to take the blame if something happened.

Appleblade

feyii wrote: »

I actually envy Valaste because she gets to live on the Shivering Isles.

Are you kidding? Did you play Shivering Isles DLC? It's the Oblivion equivalent of a mental asylum. The people who wind up there are broken beyond redemption, and are the toys of a mad god. And now the mad god is coming to Nirn and exploiting the sad past of a brilliant mage to add to his toy box, and you're not only fine with that, but you want to be another toy?

bebynnag

Balthyzar wrote: »

If you actually pay attention to what's happening in the mages guild story line, including all the ghost image memories, you will quickly realize that sending Valast with uncle Sheao is the right choice. Keeping her and supposedly curing her is the truly evil choice. I'm surprised no one else here noticed that.

I have always said this,

Shalidor is so preoccupied with securing his legacy he is prepared to sacrifice the mental well being of valaste, the rest of the mages guild dont give a flying *** about it - they just want their little island, so they can play with magic & ignore the massive wars that are going on

I always save valaste & leave her with the butterflies & the books where she can be truly happy!

Shad0wfire99

Go with Uncle Sheo and give me my skill points.

SquareSausage

If you dont sacrifice Valaste and take the 2 points, you are too caught up in the game and morally just.

bebynnag

Appleblade wrote: »

feyii wrote: »

I actually envy Valaste because she gets to live on the Shivering Isles.

Are you kidding? Did you play Shivering Isles DLC? It's the Oblivion equivalent of a mental asylum. The people who wind up there are broken beyond redemption, and are the toys of a mad god. And now the mad god is coming to Nirn and exploiting the sad past of a brilliant mage to add to his toy box, and you're not only fine with that, but you want to be another toy?

i never played oblivion - because the graphics gave me nightmares but that sounds awesome. is it like AHS asylum? id love to live there, some of them ghosts are HOT!

strikeback1247

Vipstaakki wrote: »

Anyone who doesn't

save Valaste

is a monster and their character should be made into a slave of Molag Bal for all eternity.

She's happy being with uncle Sheo, she doesn't need saving.

Jamini

To anyone who sacrifices Valaste:

1. She outright thanks you after the quest for saving her, stating that without you she'd have been lost forever.
2. She HAS a group of people who understand her once you finish the mage guild quest line. Even if her past is ***, the Mage Guild and her work is VERY MUCH a place that accepts her.
3. You've BEEN to the shivering isles in ESO. Even for the residents it's not a particularly pleasant place. What with the mad god treating them like playthings.
4. You don't need those two skill points. Even without them, you can have enough skills to unlock abilities for two full roles, all craft skills, all guild passives, and still dip into TG and DB.

UrbanAvalon

AFAIK, you can't transfer those two skill points from one character to another anymore.

If you have a main character that you do *everything* on and your short on skill points after obtaining 300+ of them, I guess it sucks to be you.

Seriously. Let us go back and trade the memory for those skill points. I'll even make you a purple lvl 45 staff to replace the one the quest gave us...

SilentRaven1972

Balthyzar wrote: »

If you actually pay attention to what's happening in the mages guild story line, including all the ghost image memories, you will quickly realize that sending Valast with uncle Sheao is the right choice. Keeping her and supposedly curing her is the truly evil choice. I'm surprised no one else here noticed that.

I noticed, and have always sent her with Uncle Sheo. She has a chance to truly be happy with him, and as bad as he can be, I don't think he would hurt her. Shalidor never cared about Valaste, only using her to get what he wanted. He's obsessed to the point he lost his own wife, yet blamed the Mad God.

MattT1988

Jamini wrote: »

4. You don't need those two skill points. Even without them, you can have enough skills to unlock abilities for two full roles, all craft skills, all guild passives, and still dip into TG and DB.

Better to have them and not need them rather then need them and not have them I always say....

jaschacasadiob16_ESO

SilentRaven1972 wrote: »

I noticed, and have always sent her with Uncle Sheo. She has a chance to truly be happy with him, and as bad as he can be, I don't think he would hurt her. Shalidor never cared about Valaste, only using her to get what he wanted. He's obsessed to the point he lost his own wife, yet blamed the Mad God.

Just because he did not care, it does not mean YOU should not. On too of that, she's being mind controlled, how can she ever be happy when she is not herself at all? It's like keeping someone constantly on heavy meds oh but he looks so calm and happy now. That's not THE solution.

When you go to a dungeon, do you want a healer who's interested in you and the party or one who is more interested in searching for food in the crates? Oh but they certainly have potions...

Do the Right thing.

Insomnia rex

If sheo had given me the choice to work for him? No questions asked - no reward necessary. Given the choice to lead molag baals armies into battle? Yes please. Some dog wants to **** up vvardefell? Good boy.