Looking for an add-on showing group members through terrain

Meld777

We all know how the crown works in ESO. No matter how far you are, you see it through terrain and on the compass. There is even an add-on to make the crown look bigger. However, this is not the case for non-leader group members.

It's such a pain in the ass to locate specific group members in this game when they're dead behind a rock/on the other side of a castle. Now, there are a few add-ons that add similar functionality, like Miat's. But even there the symbol above the group members' heads disappears when they are closer than 100 meters, which is exactly the critical range at which groups run together and need to locate each other instantly when needed. Seriously, Miat, all that unnecessary, complex PvP functionality, but the simplest stuff doesn't work when it has to... you had one job...

Is there an add-on I don't know of that just puts symbols over group members' heads that stay there no matter the distance? Just like the leader crown in ESO.

AlMcFly

Using Foundry Tactical Combat, I can see my group member's above-head icon from a pretty good distance through terrain. You won't be able to see them from super far, but a decent distance:

http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1611-FoundryTacticalCombatFTC-Homestead.html

Tezlakipuka

Miat is showing group member symbols in 5 meter distance for me. Iirc there is a range setting in the 3D group at the bottom of the addon config. The awesome thing about the Miat symbols is the tooltip when moving the mouse over them.

I really like using Votan's Mini Map in PVP, too. Can be very helpfull inside keeps. I see role based symbols (crown, tank, healer, DD) on the minimap, not sure if this is Votan's addon itself or another one causing this tho.

Meld777

How I always want it to look:


What happens when I get closer:


At 100m it completely disappears.

My settings in Miat's:


It completely ignores the 0, or 1, or 2... it always fades the closer I get to 100m and disappears.

@code65536 We don't really know each other, but maybe you can figure out a way to turn this fading thing off in the add-on? Must be a line too much somewhere.

KingYogi415

If you could look through hill that would be a hax.

Tezlakipuka

KingYogi415 wrote: »

If you could look through hill that would be a hax.

You cannot look through terrain with this (x-ray). It shows more detailed markers above group member heads and objectives, which are visible through terrain. Even the vanilla Game itself shows these, they are just getting augmented.

My range settings are the same as yours. Group member symbols disappear in a bit above melee range.

Meld777

Tezlakipuka wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

If you could look through hill that would be a hax.

You cannot look through terrain with this (x-ray). It shows more detailed markers above group member heads and objectives, which are visible through terrain. Even the vanilla Game itself shows these, they are just getting augmented.

My range settings are the same as yours. Group member symbols disappear in a bit above melee range.

Are you sure it's the same symbol/add-on source? Maybe it's another add-on that does it for you? I tried reinstalling. Doesn't help.

Meld777

Tezlakipuka wrote: »

My range settings are the same as yours. Group member symbols disappear in a bit above melee range.

Are you sure it's the same symbol/add-on source? Maybe it's another add-on that does it for you? I tried reinstalling. Doesn't help.

KingYogi415 wrote: »

If you could look through hill that would be a hax.

That hax already exists in-game and is called crown. All I want is some kind of "crown" on all my group members, not just the leader.

Dorrino

Meld777 wrote: »

We don't really know each other, but maybe you can figure out a way to turn this fading thing off in the add-on? Must be a line too much somewhere.

@Meld777

Fade out of group 3d icons is by design. Unfortunately there's no reliable way to know the height of the group members, what's why the closer you are the more out of place the locations of group 3d icons will be.

That's why i chose a lesser evil and hid the icons upclose since approximately at that distance you should be able to see zos overhead group icons.

The whole feature of group 3d icons is kinda experimental and thus is off be default.

I specifically allowed group leader icon only to be shown at any distance.

I can easily make an option to show all group icons at any distance, but they look kinda awful and you might not like them as well:)

GoodFella146

Idk why having every member appear if you chose isn't a basic option of the game......

Meld777

@Dorrino Ah, you're the author of Miat's. Thanks for your response.

With how fast-paced PvP is, it's important to locate your group members as quickly as possible. The ZOS original icon is way too small to instantly notice when you're getting ganked by 5+ people. Plus, unlike the crown, it doesn't show up on the compass, making it even harder to locate. By the time you have located the direction of your buddy that is being ganked, he's gonna be dead.

Is there any chance you could just tell me where exactly in the code you put this option, so I could manually disable the fading? If you look at the responses here, I'm definitely the minority.

Dorrino

Meld777 wrote: »

@Dorrino Ah, you're the author of Miat's. Thanks for your response.

With how fast-paced PvP is, it's important to locate your group members as quickly as possible. The ZOS original icon is way too small to instantly notice when you're getting ganked by 5+ people. Plus, unlike the crown, it doesn't show up on the compass, making it even harder to locate. By the time you have located the direction of your buddy that is being ganked, he's gonna be dead.

Is there any chance you could just tell me where exactly in the code you put this option, so I could manually disable the fading? If you look at the responses here, I'm definitely the minority.

It's not that simple:)

The icons location is tied to YOUR camera position is Z direction (height), NOT to the group members vertical location in the world. So group members icons up close will be a. in a wrong position (either above or below actual characters, more often than not WAY above or below) and b. they will be quite large and will cover your view (think about 4 times the size of the characters with the default icons size).

Trust me, if they did what you want them to do, i wouldn't have added the fade out:)

I can add an option to show them anyway in a next update, though.

MLGProPlayer

AlMcFly wrote: »

Using Foundry Tactical Combat, I can see my group member's above-head icon from a pretty good distance through terrain. You won't be able to see them from super far, but a decent distance:

http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1611-FoundryTacticalCombatFTC-Homestead.html

Whoever did that update seems to have broken the ultimate counter again (it shows "inf%" for ults with no cost). That was fixed with the Morrowind update.

Meld777

Dorrino wrote: »

Meld777 wrote: »

@Dorrino Ah, you're the author of Miat's. Thanks for your response.

With how fast-paced PvP is, it's important to locate your group members as quickly as possible. The ZOS original icon is way too small to instantly notice when you're getting ganked by 5+ people. Plus, unlike the crown, it doesn't show up on the compass, making it even harder to locate. By the time you have located the direction of your buddy that is being ganked, he's gonna be dead.

Is there any chance you could just tell me where exactly in the code you put this option, so I could manually disable the fading? If you look at the responses here, I'm definitely the minority.

It's not that simple:)

The icons location is tied to YOUR camera position is Z direction (height), NOT to the group members vertical location in the world. So group members icons up close will be a. in a wrong position (either above or below actual characters, more often than not WAY above or below) and b. they will be quite large and will cover your view (think about 4 times the size of the characters with the default icons size).

Trust me, if they did what you want them to do, i wouldn't have added the fade out:)

I can add an option to show them anyway in a next update, though.

@Dorrino Thanks for the response. How come the giant pink crown is working so well? I'm gonna sound like an amateur now, but isn't it possible to get rid of the leader check and put the crown on all group members? Theoretical question, not an update suggestion.

Dorrino

Meld777 wrote: »

@Dorrino Thanks for the response. How come the giant pink crown is working so well? I'm gonna sound like an amateur now, but isn't it possible to get rid of the leader check and put the crown on all group members? Theoretical question, not an update suggestion.

@Meld777

I wouldn't call it 'working so well':) It has the same problems with vertical position.

I'll add an option to show other group members at any distance. After all some other people might still find those tolerable:)

AlMcFly

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

AlMcFly wrote: »

Using Foundry Tactical Combat, I can see my group member's above-head icon from a pretty good distance through terrain. You won't be able to see them from super far, but a decent distance:

http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1611-FoundryTacticalCombatFTC-Homestead.html

Whoever did that update seems to have broken the ultimate counter again (it shows "inf%" for ults with no cost). That was fixed with the Morrowind update.

Hmmm, I hadn't noticed, probably because I have that feature turned off in the FTC add-on menu. My ULT displays the normal number values of Vanilla ESO UI.

SASQUATCH0

I want to also be able to see group member on my compass and map. Been wanting this since day one haha