Is Toothrow BiS for Crit Builds?

TimeDazzler

2) Max Stamina (13.3% increase next patch)
3) Weapon Crit (55% increase ")
4) Weapon Crit (55% increase ")
5) Gain Major Savagery at all times, increasing your Weapon Critical rating by 2191
5) Adds 100 Weapon Damage

Keep in mind that crit builds usually use Camo Hunter or get Major Savagery from potions. That being said first let's start with Camo Hunter which also gives a 3% weapon damage bonus whereas Toothrow 5 piece gives you 100 weapon damage. So with simple math, we know that with 3333-3334 weapon damage this 3% bonus will equal exactly 100 weapon damage. Let's just say for the sake of the premise that most stamina builds can get around 3500 weapon damage unbuffed so Camo Hunter would give us 105 weapon damage.

Now let's bring up potions that give us Major Savagery. All of them have other benefits like restore health, restore stamina, increase stamina recovery, etc... plus let's keep in mind the downtime of some potions. Well, it's quite obvious that you would want to pop such a potion in the midst of a fight to gain all the benefits like restore health, restore stamina, stamina recovery, etc... instead of before. Well with Camo Hunter or Toothrow you can have Major Savagery going into a fight whereas with the potions you can get Major Savagery in the midst of a fight or you can get it before but you waste some of the aforementioned additional benefits. If you have Camo Hunter or Toothrow you get the full benefit of your potions like restore stamina/health and can run other effects like major expedition or immovable while having Major Savagery for your initial damage if you want to instagib someone which is what most crit play styles are like.

So to summarize:

Potions with Major Savagery
-Get Major Savagery in the midst of a fight for full benefit of the potion
-Can get Major savagery before for initial burst but lose other benefits like restore health/stamina, etc
-Has uptime and downtime
-While active affects both damage and buff bar

Camo Hunter/Toothrow
-Get Major Savagery "24/7" on your damage bar but not on your buff bar (no one uses it on both)
-Have Major Savagery for your initial burst (pretty much same as above re-worded)
-Get full benefit of your potions and can use other potions with different effects

So if we compare the two it's obvious that a crit play style looking to one-shot someone favors Camo Hunter/Toothrow, so now let's compare the two:

Camo Hunter
-Major Savagery "24/7" on damage bar
-Costs one ability slot
-No one really uses the active but if they do it has a high stamina cost as well

Toothrow
-Major Savagery "24/7" on damage bar
-Costs no ability slot

For some reason, no one thinks of Toothrow as a proc set when it actually is. Imagine a set that gave you the option of changing whatever the proc does while also allowing the proc to go off whenever you want. That's how I think of toothrow, imagine the 5 piece saying this:

Grants Major Savagery, 100 weapon damage, create a ring of floating razors around you, dealing [x] Physical Damage to all nearby enemies every 3 seconds for 15 seconds while reducing the damage you take from area of effect attacks by 20% and Major Expedition, increasing your Movement Speed by 30% for 5 seconds.

or

Grant Major Savagery, 100 weapon damage, expose an enemy’s weaknesses to afflict them with Major Fracture and Major Breach, reducing their Physical Resistance and Spell Resistance by 5280 for 27 seconds and you can detect marked enemies even if they use stealth or invisibility, and when a marked enemy dies, you heal yourself for 40% of your Max Health.

So if we think of Toothrow this way the 5 piece sounds absolutely broken plus has the flexibility to be changed on demand. The only benefit that Camo Hunter has an addition 5 to 20 weapon damage if your unbuffed weapon damage reaches 3500 to 4000 respectively. That's why next patch I'm using DW/2H with Hundings Rage and Toothrow with whatever Monster and whatever Mundus. It's ridiculous how overlooked some sets are.

Rianai

Using potions or Camo for Major Savagery allows you to use a 5pc set that provides a lot more dmg than those 100 weapon dmg from Toothrow. If you absolutely don't want to use potions or Camo for the crit buff the set is decent, but it won't be BiS for anything.

SodanTok

You have 10 skill slots, you have 3 potion effects (where average build can find useful at max 5 effects from all of them), but you have only 2 (1 when using monster mask and staff/bow/2h) 5pc set.

I think you understand what I am going for with this

TheStealthDude

Edit: just realized this was about PvP. Disregard.

GreenSoup2HoT

@Cries

BiS for crit build is either of these for pvp:
Hundings Rage: crit,stam,crit,300wd
Archers Mind: stam,crit,crit,15% stealth crit damage/5% unstealth crit damage
Leviathan: stam,crit,crit, 1600 crit

All 2,3,4 bonuses are the same.

So your really choosing between:
-300 weapon damage
-15% stealth crit, 5% unstealth crit
-1600 crit

-Hundings is probably best since it increases heals and base damage which is good for shields.
-Archers is best for 1 shot builds. Onslaught, dawnbreaker, snipe kinda deal.
-Leviathan is really nice for infused enchant duel wield builds. Consistent crits but not good against shields since no crit against them.

-Toothrow is still decent if you dont wanna slot/drink for major crit buff.

Pick your poison

Sahidom

The benefit behind Toothrow is opening up a skill bar slot. The OP mentioned this. Of course, you can combine Camouflage Hunter and Leviathan for a higher critical score rating. This gear set does compliment builds that may need the extra slot for utility, damage, or defense.

Veteran PvP players are more experienced and capable to be successful with the slotted Camouflage Hunter skill for Major Savagery; however, beginners or intermediate PvP players may find the set suitable for their builds while they learn the Pros and Cons to which skills work for their play-style.

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

@Cries

BiS for crit build is either of these for pvp:
Hundings Rage: crit,stam,crit,300wd
Archers Mind: stam,crit,crit,15% stealth crit damage/5% unstealth crit damage
Leviathan: stam,crit,crit, 1600 crit

All 2,3,4 bonuses are the same.

So your really choosing between:
-300 weapon damage
-15% stealth crit, 5% unstealth crit
-1600 crit

-Hundings is probably best since it increases heals and base damage which is good for shields.
-Archers is best for 1 shot builds. Onslaught, dawnbreaker, snipe kinda deal.
-Leviathan is really nice for infused enchant duel wield builds. Consistent crits but not good against shields since no crit against them.

-Toothrow is still decent if you dont wanna slot/drink for major crit buff.

Pick your poison

VaranisArano

If you are just aiming for high crit, I would think Leviathan would still let you use Camo Hunter or a potion for MAjor Savagery.