Hybrid Sorc - Advice Wanted

ParaNostram

I've been working on and tweaking a hybrid sorc, but every time I think I've got it figured out I feel like my performance drops. Here's my current set up.

5 heavy, 2 light, 5/5 Shacklebreaker, 5/5 Knight Slayer, 1 Molag Kena (I can also sometimes try swapping out knight slayer for impregnable). All gear has tristat enchantments, all rings have weapon damage enchants, and my attribute allocation is 44 Magicka the rest is dumped into Stamina.

Fire staff bar - Crystal frags, force pulse, hardened ward, lingering curse, power surge (to buff both my spell and weapon power), Eye of Flame

Greatsword bar - Dizzying swing, crit charge, streak, dark deal (to get back stamina as well as heal), endless fury, Flawless Dawnbreaker.

The logic behind my stat allocation is that magicka abilities like ward scale off of max magicka, where as weapon abilities scale best off of max weapon damage. This allows me to have access to wards.

Please, any advice would be welcome. However, if your advice is just to not play a hybrid, I will ignore that statement. I want to play a hybrid, I have a mag sorc and I have a stam sorc, if I wanted to play either of those I would get on either of those characters and play.

Thank you for your feedback.

MalagenR

Notice nobody answered you because your requirements below are ridiculous? Players can't change the game mechanics, so of course the best advice you're going to get is going to be tailored to the path the mechanics have forced players down. Totally welcome to play hybrid, but unless you use that one set that makes your weapon / spell damage equal to each other I don't see how you're going to make it work.

NordSwordnBoard

Pelinal's set - I'm not sure how one can hybrid without it, or maybe through TBS getting wep & spell dmg up?

MalagenR

I'd assume you take absolutely no points in anything crit related. You focus on gear that gives you health + spell or weapon damage. I can only see this working with a health / heavy armor build. Rattlecage + Pelinal etc. or maybe Reactive + Pelinal?

The build would have to be centered around the usefulness of using a Stam weapon and a Staff weapon. Maybe staff dots > weapon dmg dots?

When I think of what the biggest differences are it would be:

Passives related to Heavy Attacking for the different weapon types - I could see a Mage/Archer Mage/2hW build, etc. etc. But you'd have to have a very specific set of passives in your head or skills in your mind that you would want to use effectively on the weapon damage or spell damage side.

Barbaran

im yet to come across a hybrid that gives me that "oh ***, he hits hard" feeling.
when i see a hurricane 2 handed sword sorc throw a 2k crystal frag i laugh.
let me know how this works for you.
i think you need pellinials

leepalmer95

Dps hybrids are always trash.

Hybrids are basically locked into utility roles or tanks.

MalagenR

Barbaran wrote: »

im yet to come across a hybrid that gives me that "oh ***, he hits hard" feeling.
when i see a hurricane 2 handed sword sorc throw a 2k crystal frag i laugh.
let me know how this works for you.
i think you need pellinials

Pelinal's is absolutely the set you have to use. I think then you go with heavy and build it off the concept of maybe buffing with one pool (because spell dmg buffs with pelinal will increase your wep dmg). I think it has to be a heavy attack build too, so probably heavy armor. I just don't see how it's viable at all if you're talking about wanting to complete vet trials etc. If you're talking PVP anything is possible, depending on the quality of player you're fighting against. But, a Max/Min build good player will always whomp you quick.

MalagenR

I could see a hybrid class working for buffing / debuffing. But that's about it.

Keep_Door

Dont do it. Best advice ever.

Xvorg

ParaNostram wrote: »

I've been working on and tweaking a hybrid sorc, but every time I think I've got it figured out I feel like my performance drops. Here's my current set up.

5 heavy, 2 light, 5/5 Shacklebreaker, 5/5 Knight Slayer, 1 Molag Kena (I can also sometimes try swapping out knight slayer for impregnable). All gear has tristat enchantments, all rings have weapon damage enchants, and my attribute allocation is 44 Magicka the rest is dumped into Stamina.

Fire staff bar - Crystal frags, force pulse, hardened ward, lingering curse, power surge (to buff both my spell and weapon power), Eye of Flame

Greatsword bar - Dizzying swing, crit charge, streak, dark deal (to get back stamina as well as heal), endless fury, Flawless Dawnbreaker.

The logic behind my stat allocation is that magicka abilities like ward scale off of max magicka, where as weapon abilities scale best off of max weapon damage. This allows me to have access to wards.

Please, any advice would be welcome. However, if your advice is just to not play a hybrid, I will ignore that statement. I want to play a hybrid, I have a mag sorc and I have a stam sorc, if I wanted to play either of those I would get on either of those characters and play.

Thank you for your feedback.

before Morrowind I had a decent hybrid sorc, now she doesn't work as good as she used to.

Basically this:

5 pieces WoF + 4 pieces WMK (Or any set with 2 spell dmg bonus) + 2 Slimecraw + 2 weapon dmg and 1 spell dmg glyph

2H sword bar sharpen (lit glyph)

Crit rush, Uppercut (any morph), Dark Deal, Streak, Frags, U DBoS/Meteor/Negate

Bow bar(lit glyph)

Poison injection, endless fury, power surge, haunting curse, frags, U Ballista/Overload

Typical rotation with sword: hard cast frags > crit rush > uppercut > streak > crit rush
Typical rotation with bow: Full heavy > poison inject > la > curse >la > endless > frags if procs.
Combo rotation: Full heavy (bow) > Poison inject > Curse > Crit rush > Streak > crit rush > Uppercut (executioner)

It was a fun build (implosion procs were the best part). Now it's dead.

Biro123

Barbaran wrote: »

im yet to come across a hybrid that gives me that "oh ***, he hits hard" feeling.
when i see a hurricane 2 handed sword sorc throw a 2k crystal frag i laugh.
let me know how this works for you.
i think you need pellinials

Tee-hee..

My 2-handed sorc could hit you with a 15k frag...
Would have to reset a skill point to run hurricane though ( I have thought about it)

UppGRAYxDD

Hybrids are slowly starting to make an appearance in Tamerial and will continue to grow steam with the new monster helms coming in the next dlc. I like the idea of a hybrid sorc especially since you will have access to two executes that should fire off at the same time(implosion, mage's wrath). Pelinal's gear is essential, but the best combo I have yet to find. The only two hybrids I ever tried were on Templar, one a werewolf build and the other a sniper jbeam special. The latter of the two worked very nicely till the last Jbeam nerf. Albeit I only fooled around with hybrids for a month or so, the best way I found was to go stamina with niche magicka abilities due to the fact that weapon dmg was much easier to grow then magicka. Hope this helps...

Barbaran

Biro123 wrote: »

Barbaran wrote: »

im yet to come across a hybrid that gives me that "oh ***, he hits hard" feeling.
when i see a hurricane 2 handed sword sorc throw a 2k crystal frag i laugh.
let me know how this works for you.
i think you need pellinials

Tee-hee..

My 2-handed sorc could hit you with a 15k frag...
Would have to reset a skill point to run hurricane though ( I have thought about it)

15k tooltip doesnt transfer to pvp.
id luke to see your 30k tooltip on a hybrid sorc.
i have a magsorc with 50k mag and 3.5k dmg and an empowerd frag is a 22k tooltip

Biro123

Barbaran wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Barbaran wrote: »

im yet to come across a hybrid that gives me that "oh ***, he hits hard" feeling.
when i see a hurricane 2 handed sword sorc throw a 2k crystal frag i laugh.
let me know how this works for you.
i think you need pellinials

Tee-hee..

My 2-handed sorc could hit you with a 15k frag...
Would have to reset a skill point to run hurricane though ( I have thought about it)

15k tooltip doesnt transfer to pvp.
id luke to see your 30k tooltip on a hybrid sorc.
i have a magsorc with 50k mag and 3.5k dmg and an empowerd frag is a 22k tooltip

I'm not talking about the tooltip. I'm talking about actual PVP hits... ofc. it isn't really a hybrid - its a full-on magica sorc which just happens to be using a 2-hander..:

https://www.screencast.com/t/Qon1Nny8KL

With the frag empowered, procced and critting you can hit 15k relatively easily.

Barbaran

Biro123 wrote: »

Barbaran wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Barbaran wrote: »

im yet to come across a hybrid that gives me that "oh ***, he hits hard" feeling.
when i see a hurricane 2 handed sword sorc throw a 2k crystal frag i laugh.
let me know how this works for you.
i think you need pellinials

Tee-hee..

My 2-handed sorc could hit you with a 15k frag...
Would have to reset a skill point to run hurricane though ( I have thought about it)

15k tooltip doesnt transfer to pvp.
id luke to see your 30k tooltip on a hybrid sorc.
i have a magsorc with 50k mag and 3.5k dmg and an empowerd frag is a 22k tooltip

I'm not talking about the tooltip. I'm talking about actual PVP hits... ofc. it isn't really a hybrid - its a full-on magica sorc which just happens to be using a 2-hander..:

https://www.screencast.com/t/Qon1Nny8KL

With the frag empowered, procced and critting you can hit 15k relatively easily.

i can see that then. i was talking about a hybrid when i was reffering to a 2h sorc. yea i crit 15+ K depending on the target