Tune down magicka dmg potential please ZOS!

Dr.NRG

16k soul assults, 15k deso ults, 11k deep fissures, 10k frags 10k dark flars, 8k curses, 7k cliff racers...... All that and more in NO Cp?!?
Stam blades are supposed to be hardest hitting class in trade for their squishyness but compared to that they are a joke (unless you wear cheese and harbage sets like viper).
This needs to change it is no fun. If you are in a group with other very good high ranked and flawless gamers that are running stam and the other group is all magicka gamers you are fked. This sucks.
Runn towards one of magicka gamer 1 soul assult and you are done or if you get close they desto ult. If not that then you got 2 ppl hardcasting frags at you and another one spamming radient.

How are we stam gamers supposed to deal with that if we want to run a fair setup?

Gilvoth

well said, but sadly that has been being asked since beta 2013.
i dont think it will ever change.
magicka is simply the power class of eso.
i agree it is horrible, but we have been asking for years now and it has never changed.

SRASinister

Dr.NRG wrote: »

16k soul assults, 15k deso ults, 11k deep fissures, 10k frags 10k dark flars, 8k curses, 7k cliff racers...... All that and more in NO Cp?!?
Stam blades are supposed to be hardest hitting class in trade for their squishyness but compared to that they are a joke (unless you wear cheese and harbage sets like viper).
This needs to change it is no fun. If you are in a group with other very good high ranked and flawless gamers that are running stam and the other group is all magicka gamers you are fked. This sucks.
Runn towards one of magicka gamer 1 soul assult and you are done or if you get close they desto ult. If not that then you got 2 ppl hardcasting frags at you and another one spamming radient.

How are we stam gamers supposed to deal with that if we want to run a fair setup?

Yeah cause 15k incaps, 9k Surprise attacks, 14k dawnies, 9k dizzying swings, and the stam morphs or deep fissures and cliff racers totally need a buff. I feel incredibly powerful on my non cp stamblade (no procs) when up against any light armor builds aka magicka. I saw a blue group of 6 stam characters destroying an ep zerg at faregyl the other day. Its one thing if you're facing a ball group.

Ankael07

Youre clearing facing pure dps builds with little to no armor. Lets not punish the average player by looking at how much dps the 1% does. #bringbacksoftcaps

Joy_Division

Dr.NRG wrote: »

16k soul assults, 15k deso ults, 11k deep fissures, 10k frags 10k dark flars, 8k curses, 7k cliff racers...... All that and more in NO Cp?!?
Stam blades are supposed to be hardest hitting class in trade for their squishyness but compared to that they are a joke (unless you wear cheese and harbage sets like viper).
This needs to change it is no fun. If you are in a group with other very good high ranked and flawless gamers that are running stam and the other group is all magicka gamers you are fked. This sucks.
Runn towards one of magicka gamer 1 soul assult and you are done or if you get close they desto ult. If not that then you got 2 ppl hardcasting frags at you and another one spamming radient.

How are we stam gamers supposed to deal with that if we want to run a fair setup?

1. Stop asking ZoS to nerf things
2. Honest introspection and analysis of why you died/were defeated
3. Learning to play better

GreenSoup2HoT

This is what happens when Zenimax bandaid fixes supposed "issues" like perma-blocking/roll-dodging/sprinting when in reality they were core survivability aspects for all stamina builds. They took the wrong approach when they implemented these changes and now its biting them in the behind many months later.

Same thing with crit/proc nerf, they nerfed every single proc set in the game... completely throwing an entire play-style under the rug (medium crit builds)... made the under performing proc sets completely worthless all while still having problems with the poorly balanced over-performance proc sets regardless of crit.

Zenimax is slowly digging their own grave with ESO. Don't get me wrong, Horns of the Reach is a step in the right direction but all while Zenimax keeps the gravy train going, there are train tracks behind them that are loose and falling apart.

IxSTALKERxI

Whilst magicka builds have potential to hit a lot harder than stamina, they are a lot squishier and vulnerable to snares and negates. Shields are strong 1v1, but in large scale fights they can only reapply them so much. Stamina has a lot mobility and can mitigate large amounts of damage with a single dodge roll which makes up for the lack of penetration/ults/abilities compared to magicka.

zyk

Stam builds are far from weak in PVP. Even without proc sets.

I consider Stam builds to be unquestionably better solo and in small groups. Stam based DPS medium and large groups can be at least as effective as Magicka based DPS groups when properly built and executed.

Emma_Overload

More propaganda from OP Stamina builds, I see. None of the spells you mentioned do as much damage as Incap + all the other crap Stamblades can do in just one second of burst. If Stamina builds are so weak, than why is Cyrodiil FULL of them?

Vapirko

Emma_Overload wrote: »

More propaganda from OP Stamina builds, I see. None of the spells you mentioned do as much damage as Incap + all the other crap Stamblades can do in just one second of burst. If Stamina builds are so weak, than why is Cyrodiil FULL of them?

Cyrodiil is full of exactly 2 types of build, procblades or mag sorcs/NB bombs. Try playing a normal stamina build and see how you do.

Dracindo

Let us not forget:

Magicka is consumed when:

• Using skills

Stamina is consumed when:

• Using skills
• Sprinting
• Bashing
• Sneaking
• Roll dodging
• Breaking free

A stamina user has to put magicka skills in his build or that magicka bar is wasted. While a Magicka user can do without stamina skills and can still have good use for that stamina.

GeorgeBlack

Magika users can go from defending their remaining 10k HP with a few clicks to destroying an enemys HP with ease.
Stamina builds have to work a lot harder to recover from being near low HP. This is what bothers me the most when I see Magika users playing the victim.

Derra

Dr.NRG wrote: »

Stam blades are supposed to be hardest hitting class in trade for their squishyness

I think this assumption is wrong.

Lord_Invel

I hope we can all agree that this post was created by a player that doesn't know how strong stamina really is lol. He mentioned all the hard hitting magicka abilities but totally neglected the hard hitting stamina abilities and ulties. Lol just because you yourself cant hit hard and play well doesn't call for mag classes or any class for that matter to be nerfed. Learn to play the game and actually create competitive non cheesy builds, rather than complain about things that u haven't worked hard to achieve. This goes for basically everyone that reads this message and not just the person that created this post.

I do agree that destro ult and soul assault are broken same with resto ult and sword and shield ult. But that doesn't mean magicka is broken lol it means those abilities are OP and unbalanced and zos needs to look at them.

DeHei

The highest damage from 1 not channeled attack i ever got, was will of assassination.. 16,8k krit from a stam nightblade and i have 2,4k impen... You forget that soulstrike is a channeled attack and it does this much damage over 3sec, while this common attack will of assassination do this high damage instant. Soulstrike just isnt dodgable, but you should just not fight a magickaclass on an open field, when you not able to handle just this 1 skill.
With much going out from line of sights the magicka player dont should have a chance..

I agree, that magickaclasses are stronger on rangefights, but thats all.

Destyran

I have been hit with 20k destro ultiis. Ohh and i hit 25k dark flares btw. Im rounding up. i have a 95k soul assault tool tip and mag toon and non cp players have healed through it. Donno what you are saying bro

Master_Kas

Destyran wrote: »

I have been hit with 20k destro ultiis. Ohh and i hit 25k dark flares btw. Im rounding up. i have a 95k soul assault tool tip and mag toon and non cp players have healed through it. Donno what you are saying bro

I've hit people for 20k+ snipes (this patch). Does that mean stamina needs a nerf aswell?

EdTerra

How are we stam gamers supposed to deal with that if we want to run a fair setup?

did you tried to play melee magblade between 1.8 and homestead ? more than 1 year without being able to deal against stam meta, no damage, no sustain, no defense. even low skill players were a pain to kill...

16k soul assults, 15k deso ults, 11k deep fissures, 10k frags 10k dark flars, 8k curses, 7k cliff racers...... All that and more in NO Cp?!?
Stam blades are supposed to be hardest hitting class in trade for their squishyness but compared to that they are a joke (unless you wear cheese and harbage sets like viper).
This needs to change it is no fun. If you are in a group with other very good high ranked and flawless gamers that are running stam and the other group is all magicka gamers you are fked. This sucks.
Runn towards one of magicka gamer 1 soul assult and you are done or if you get close they desto ult. If not that then you got 2 ppl hardcasting frags at you and another one spamming radient.

in this patch with my magblade I can deal against soul assault with only blocking, it's shouldn't be a problem for you as stamblade

destro ult is a pain but as a stamblade you have all tools for escape it, cloak/shadow/rolldodge/fear/sprint and shuffle for cleanse every mobility decrease

Subversus

Dracindo wrote: »

Let us not forget:

Magicka is consumed when:

• Using skills

Stamina is consumed when:

• Using skills
• Sprinting
• Bashing
• Sneaking
• Roll dodging
• Breaking free

A stamina user has to put magicka skills in his build or that magicka bar is wasted. While a Magicka user can do without stamina skills and can still have good use for that stamina.

Try to sprint or rolldodge as much as you do on stamina on a magicka character and tell me how you survived that stun nuke you couldn't break.

Eirella

Clearly a lot of people in this thread have never actually played a magicka build.

I do agree that destro ult could use a nerf though.

idk

SRASinister wrote: »

Dr.NRG wrote: »

16k soul assults, 15k deso ults, 11k deep fissures, 10k frags 10k dark flars, 8k curses, 7k cliff racers...... All that and more in NO Cp?!?
Stam blades are supposed to be hardest hitting class in trade for their squishyness but compared to that they are a joke (unless you wear cheese and harbage sets like viper).
This needs to change it is no fun. If you are in a group with other very good high ranked and flawless gamers that are running stam and the other group is all magicka gamers you are fked. This sucks.
Runn towards one of magicka gamer 1 soul assult and you are done or if you get close they desto ult. If not that then you got 2 ppl hardcasting frags at you and another one spamming radient.

How are we stam gamers supposed to deal with that if we want to run a fair setup?

Yeah cause 15k incaps, 9k Surprise attacks, 14k dawnies, 9k dizzying swings, and the stam morphs or deep fissures and cliff racers totally need a buff. I feel incredibly powerful on my non cp stamblade (no procs) when up against any light armor builds aka magicka. I saw a blue group of 6 stam characters destroying an ep zerg at faregyl the other day. Its one thing if you're facing a ball group.

It is good to put perspective on a conversation.

Comfortably_Buzzed

Vapirko wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

More propaganda from OP Stamina builds, I see. None of the spells you mentioned do as much damage as Incap + all the other crap Stamblades can do in just one second of burst. If Stamina builds are so weak, than why is Cyrodiil FULL of them?

Cyrodiil is full of exactly 2 types of build, procblades or mag sorcs/NB bombs. Try playing a normal stamina build and see how you do.

Isn't your emp a stam DK?

Bosov

Joy_Division wrote: »

Dr.NRG wrote: »

16k soul assults, 15k deso ults, 11k deep fissures, 10k frags 10k dark flars, 8k curses, 7k cliff racers...... All that and more in NO Cp?!?
Stam blades are supposed to be hardest hitting class in trade for their squishyness but compared to that they are a joke (unless you wear cheese and harbage sets like viper).
This needs to change it is no fun. If you are in a group with other very good high ranked and flawless gamers that are running stam and the other group is all magicka gamers you are fked. This sucks.
Runn towards one of magicka gamer 1 soul assult and you are done or if you get close they desto ult. If not that then you got 2 ppl hardcasting frags at you and another one spamming radient.

How are we stam gamers supposed to deal with that if we want to run a fair setup?

1. Stop asking ZoS to nerf things
2. Honest introspection and analysis of why you died/were defeated
3. Learning to play better

1. Buff stamina
2. When i get hit by a soulassault i have to block because i cant interrupt/roll it. If i block it i lose atleast 50% of my stamina. Also it can hit a lot more than 16k since every mag build uses mage light and will get atleast some crit ticks during the soul assault. With a mag build i could just shieldstack the soulassault.. with harness it wouldnt even cost me magicka either.

I could hide behind a tree but that isnt allowed during duels.. also trees arent always there (unless you are a warden but you cant hide behind them)

3. I think stamina is generally a lot harder to play than magicka.

Bosov

Emma_Overload wrote: »

More propaganda from OP Stamina builds, I see. None of the spells you mentioned do as much damage as Incap + all the other crap Stamblades can do in just one second of burst. If Stamina builds are so weak, than why is Cyrodiil FULL of them?

Procs.. next patch all the meta procblades will play mag sorc because it will be the best/strongest class in Cyrodill. Currently when i get procced they generally have low alliance ranks.. only high alliance rank stam nightblades play without procs and even loads of high alliance ranks stamblades are playing with procs.

ellahellabella

Both setups have their strengths.

Solo play: I would pick a stam over a mag build in a heartbeat. the ability to roll and mitigate damage is a blessing when alone and outnumbered. Speed and manoeuvrability are fantastic in open world.

Group play: Magicka builds are great for powerful ultimate coodination and shared range healing.

The only buff that magicka got last patch was snare and root immunity after rolling (stam builds already had shuffle) but half the time I roll, it's to get out of a negate (which is broken. I get re-rooted trying to roll out of those buggers because 'working as intended'.)

Joy_Division

Bosov wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Dr.NRG wrote: »

16k soul assults, 15k deso ults, 11k deep fissures, 10k frags 10k dark flars, 8k curses, 7k cliff racers...... All that and more in NO Cp?!?
Stam blades are supposed to be hardest hitting class in trade for their squishyness but compared to that they are a joke (unless you wear cheese and harbage sets like viper).
This needs to change it is no fun. If you are in a group with other very good high ranked and flawless gamers that are running stam and the other group is all magicka gamers you are fked. This sucks.
Runn towards one of magicka gamer 1 soul assult and you are done or if you get close they desto ult. If not that then you got 2 ppl hardcasting frags at you and another one spamming radient.

How are we stam gamers supposed to deal with that if we want to run a fair setup?

1. Stop asking ZoS to nerf things
2. Honest introspection and analysis of why you died/were defeated
3. Learning to play better

1. Buff stamina
2. When i get hit by a soulassault i have to block because i cant interrupt/roll it. If i block it i lose atleast 50% of my stamina. Also it can hit a lot more than 16k since every mag build uses mage light and will get atleast some crit ticks during the soul assault. With a mag build i could just shieldstack the soulassault.. with harness it wouldnt even cost me magicka either.

I could hide behind a tree but that isnt allowed during duels.. also trees arent always there (unless you are a warden but you cant hide behind them)

3. I think stamina is generally a lot harder to play than magicka.

1. Better than the OP. But stamina, like magicka, has it's strengths and weaknesses. In some situations one is better than the other and I think that's how it should be.
2. I have no idea how players keep dying and complaining about soul assault. I dont even use the best means the defend against it (Harness magicka) and ever since Wrobel changed this skill I can't recall a single time it was responsible for dying. The only time it has appeared on my death recap if I am getting zerged down and CC spammed.
3. I'd agree that stamina is more difficult to play. "A lot harder," no, but I'd agree it's not "easy" the way a magicka sorc is. However, "easy" does not mean OP, it simply means power is more accessible to inexperienced players. The potential of magicka and stamina, which is far more important, is ambiguous and it's not clear that one is better than the other - it almost always depends on the situation. And there are some scenarios a well played stamina build has a higher power ceiling than a magicka build in some scenarios (the biggest exception would be large group play) so sometimes the skill required to play one is rewarded. Sorcerers bug out this ideal balance somewhat because their ceiling is high and they are "easy," but I think sorcerers have real weaknesses that complainers willfully refuse to acknowledge.

Derra

Joy_Division wrote: »

1. I have no idea how players keep dying and complaining about soul assault. I dont even use the best means the defend against it (Harness magicka) and ever since Wrobel changed this skill I can't recall a single time it was responsible for dying. The only time it has appeared on my death recap if I am getting zerged down and CC spammed.

Any form of delayed cc while being soulassaulted will most likely get you killed if you´re a "squishy" build as it tends to delay cc break.

Sallington

Malamar1229

Dr.NRG wrote: »

Stam blades are supposed to be hardest hitting class in trade for their squishyness

This is just 50 shades of wrong

incite

Potentially one of the dumbest threads for 2017, dont get me started on some of these "pro stamina" replies

Subversus

@incite lmfao yeah