Give Dragonknight more stamina morphs and heal

Gargath

I think it's wrong that DK is based on magicka only and there are only few (like 2) stamina offensive morphs.
No real healing ability based on stamina. It means I have to go to Cyrodiil farm Alliance Points to unlock Vigor, the only true healing spell for stamina build?
Hope it will be repaired soon.

Chilly-McFreeze

And the difference to other classes in that regard is? This isn't really a dk only problem. Stam sorc got nothing going for them dmg wise besides that nerfed to tiny dmg hurricane. More magicka class morphs seems to be a relique from the past. Stam healing skills are few across the board. Rally, vigor...

But the idea to change unused class morphs to something stamina based in all classes is widely welcome as far as I can tell. Looking at you, crystal blast.

Rohaus

It'd be awesome to have Stam morphs of every class skill. But I doubt it would ever happen.

Durham

Just a note here....
In the top 100 on AD
9 total DKs only 3 are stam.. I'm one of them.
13 DKs are overall Top 100 I think 2 are stam....

DK were hit with 9 META stacking nerfs..

Right now stam DKs are out there but not no where as effective ..but no stam class is right now .. except stamblades... Right now if you want AP magicka is the way to go...

Anti_Virus

Stam DK will never get buffed they hate it, and want to relegate them to tanking only while nerfing tanking.

ak_pvp

Durham wrote: »

Just a note here....
In the top 100 on AD
9 total DKs only 3 are stam.. I'm one of them.
13 DKs are overall Top 100 I think 2 are stam....

DK were hit with 9 META stacking nerfs..

Right now stam DKs are out there but not no where as effective ..but no stam class is right now .. except stamblades... Right now if you want AP magicka is the way to go...

They do love nerfing DKs. So many useless skills like cauterize, gimped wings, most passives being tank based (seriously... health recovery...) lowest burst, slowest class (fair enough) no execute, gapcloser trapped behind pve skill and not working on sloped land.

etc etc...

Then look at sorc.

RT_Frank

ak_pvp wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

Just a note here....
In the top 100 on AD
9 total DKs only 3 are stam.. I'm one of them.
13 DKs are overall Top 100 I think 2 are stam....

DK were hit with 9 META stacking nerfs..

Right now stam DKs are out there but not no where as effective ..but no stam class is right now .. except stamblades... Right now if you want AP magicka is the way to go...

They do love nerfing DKs. So many useless skills like cauterize, gimped wings, most passives being tank based (seriously... health recovery...) lowest burst, slowest class (fair enough) no execute, gapcloser trapped behind pve skill and not working on sloped land.

etc etc...

Then look at sorc.

Shhh... keep those facts on the down low.

If you tell sorcs that they are OP, they'll just flood the forums with "we're not OP, I saw one dk dps vhof 2 weeks ago so we are balanced!"

Chilly-McFreeze

ak_pvp wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

Just a note here....
In the top 100 on AD
9 total DKs only 3 are stam.. I'm one of them.
13 DKs are overall Top 100 I think 2 are stam....

DK were hit with 9 META stacking nerfs..

Right now stam DKs are out there but not no where as effective ..but no stam class is right now .. except stamblades... Right now if you want AP magicka is the way to go...

Then look at magicka sorc.

FTFY

Rohamad_Ali

Stam DK would be more fun to me with more stam morphs .

Vapirko

Stam sorcs and Stam DK both need some decent class skills. stam sorcs can't even make use of a decent portion of the sorc passives.

Slick_007

i set mine up with magika and stam based heals. he has reasonable survivability. and i dont have vigor.
1h+shield, and 2h.

Morvane

Gargath wrote: »

I think it's wrong that DK is based on magicka only and there are only few (like 2) stamina offensive morphs.
No real healing ability based on stamina. It means I have to go to Cyrodiil farm Alliance Points to unlock Vigor, the only true healing spell for stamina build?
Hope it will be repaired soon.

lets look at lore:
Ilambris Twins are DK and Sorcerer brothers

so they share one fate... So Dk and sorcerers will share lack of stamina abilities

MyKillv2.0

Easy fix, change the whip that heals when off balance to a STA morph. MDK already have two other heal based skills. Now each version of the class has a decent heal, skill based heal. Magic still has a decent burst heal in Dragon's Blood (nothing gran but will help in a pinch) and a nice heal from Swipe. This should have been done AGES ago.

I am hoping this is changed in one of the upcoming patches when they address class changes.

scipionumatia

I would REALLY like a stam morph of lava whip. give me poison whip with minor heroism. please, you don't even need to get me a Christmas gift if you do this

also if green dragons blood could be tweaked to heal off max stam that would be sweet too. vigor is meh, much rather have a stronger self heal

Xvorg

MyKillv2.0 wrote: »

Easy fix, change the whip that heals when off balance to a STA morph. MDK already have two other heal based skills. Now each version of the class has a decent heal, skill based heal. Magic still has a decent burst heal in Dragon's Blood (nothing gran but will help in a pinch) and a nice heal from Swipe. This should have been done AGES ago.

I am hoping this is changed in one of the upcoming patches when they address class changes.

WHUT!!

Stam DK has access to vigor and Rally, which are 2 of the best HoT in the game. Mag DK has only Regeneration as HoT which is unreliable.

Instead of that, I'd change cauterize to work with the highest statistic and only as a self heal.

scipionumatia

Xvorg wrote: »

MyKillv2.0 wrote: »

Easy fix, change the whip that heals when off balance to a STA morph. MDK already have two other heal based skills. Now each version of the class has a decent heal, skill based heal. Magic still has a decent burst heal in Dragon's Blood (nothing gran but will help in a pinch) and a nice heal from Swipe. This should have been done AGES ago.

I am hoping this is changed in one of the upcoming patches when they address class changes.

WHUT!!

Stam DK has access to vigor and Rally, which are 2 of the best HoT in the game. Mag DK has only Regeneration as HoT which is unreliable.

Instead of that, I'd change cauterize to work with the highest statistic and only as a self heal.

yeah... all classes have access to vigor and rally tho

Zordrage

Gargath wrote: »

I think it's wrong that DK is based on magicka only and there are only few (like 2) stamina offensive morphs.
No real healing ability based on stamina. It means I have to go to Cyrodiil farm Alliance Points to unlock Vigor, the only true healing spell for stamina build?
Hope it will be repaired soon.

the only thing makes Templars unique is that they have a bunch of slefheals... lets not give that to DK also... they allready outperform Templars when it comes to tanking....

humpalicous

The DK is fine as it is in my opinion, maybe a stam morph the Molten Whip skills for a single target spammable, but other than that I never run into any problems on my DK tank or dps build(s) when it comes to resource management or loss in performance.

On the contrary, when built correctly, the DK is virtually unkillable in some scenarios.

Xvorg

scipionumatia wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

MyKillv2.0 wrote: »

Easy fix, change the whip that heals when off balance to a STA morph. MDK already have two other heal based skills. Now each version of the class has a decent heal, skill based heal. Magic still has a decent burst heal in Dragon's Blood (nothing gran but will help in a pinch) and a nice heal from Swipe. This should have been done AGES ago.

I am hoping this is changed in one of the upcoming patches when they address class changes.

WHUT!!

Stam DK has access to vigor and Rally, which are 2 of the best HoT in the game. Mag DK has only Regeneration as HoT which is unreliable.

Instead of that, I'd change cauterize to work with the highest statistic and only as a self heal.

yeah... all classes have access to vigor and rally tho

Practical use?

Fvh09NL

If you change Flame Lash into a stamina ability you destroy mDK in pvp. It is not necessarily the heal which is needed (of course it is really nice anyway), but rather the extra damage of Power Lash which is also free, thus giving mDK what they really need: burst and manageable resources.

The damage morph of stonefist could be a nice stamina ability though.

Anti_Virus

Make Molten Whip into Caustic whip, poison whip it already buffs spell AND weapon damage when slotted.

GeorgeBlack

Spammable damage class abilities in stamina are better left to NBs for Class identity reasons and diversity
I have only one toon and that's a stamDK. I would love to see more stamina abilities but suggestions to spammable heals (dragonblood) and spammable atks (whip) would make my Class OP and cheese. We are better than this...

Instead I would like to see utility abilities to offer a stamina morph.


Also I can't believe that magDKs complain. Just because you don't have mobility, execution and gap closer it doesn't mean that the class ain't good.
Stand your ground and win. How hard is it? Why does everyone have to 1vX like cheese builds do in order to be considered a good Class?

Fvh09NL

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Spammable damage class abilities in stamina are better left to NBs for Class identity reasons and diversity
I have only one toon and that's a stamDK. I would love to see more stamina abilities but suggestions to spammable heals (dragonblood) and spammable atks (whip) would make my Class OP and cheese. We are better than this...

Instead I would like to see utility abilities to offer a stamina morph.


Also I can't believe that magDKs complain. Just because you don't have mobility, execution and gap closer it doesn't mean that the class ain't good.
Stand your ground and win. How hard is it? Why does everyone have to 1vX like cheese builds do in order to be considered a good Class?

Lol nobody said that mDK isn't good, read before you rant. I said that taking away flame lash would make playing mDK a lot harder since that ability has exactly those benefits that all other skills a mDK has don't. This means that the class is mostly fine as it is now (imo).

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Rohaus wrote: »

It'd be awesome to have Stam morphs of every class skill. But I doubt it would ever happen.

If every skill had a stam and magic morph, the distinction between the two would become meaningless. Stam DK is one of the strongest classes in the game right now for both PVE and PVP. Since the OP seems to have an aversion to PVP, I am guessing he is a PVEer. Stam DK is the best DPS in the game right now. What is it you want exactly?

idk

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Spammable damage class abilities in stamina are better left to NBs for Class identity reasons and diversity
I have only one toon and that's a stamDK. I would love to see more stamina abilities but suggestions to spammable heals (dragonblood) and spammable atks (whip) would make my Class OP and cheese. We are better than this...

Instead I would like to see utility abilities to offer a stamina morph.


Also I can't believe that magDKs complain. Just because you don't have mobility, execution and gap closer it doesn't mean that the class ain't good.
Stand your ground and win. How hard is it? Why does everyone have to 1vX like cheese builds do in order to be considered a good Class?

I find it odd that someone calls the use of class skills cheese. Maybe I read that wrong.

ak_pvp

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Spammable damage class abilities in stamina are better left to NBs for Class identity reasons and diversity
I have only one toon and that's a stamDK. I would love to see more stamina abilities but suggestions to spammable heals (dragonblood) and spammable atks (whip) would make my Class OP and cheese. We are better than this...

Instead I would like to see utility abilities to offer a stamina morph.


Also I can't believe that magDKs complain. Just because you don't have mobility, execution and gap closer it doesn't mean that the class ain't good.
Stand your ground and win. How hard is it? Why does everyone have to 1vX like cheese builds do in order to be considered a good Class?

Just because you don't have mobility, execution, functioning gap closer, lowest burst, many broken skills, and only one method of mag sustain. (got nerfed last patch too)

Don't get me wrong, DKs are tanky as heck. Permablock level tanky. But they are similar to NBs in that so many skills are not practical. Just look at wings, 4 "projectiles" (Terms and condiions) for only 4 seconds for 4k mag. Now look what other skills like shade, cloak or streak do.

GeorgeBlack

Fvh09NL wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Spammable damage class abilities in stamina are better left to NBs for Class identity reasons and diversity
I have only one toon and that's a stamDK. I would love to see more stamina abilities but suggestions to spammable heals (dragonblood) and spammable atks (whip) would make my Class OP and cheese. We are better than this...

Instead I would like to see utility abilities to offer a stamina morph.


Also I can't believe that magDKs complain. Just because you don't have mobility, execution and gap closer it doesn't mean that the class ain't good.
Stand your ground and win. How hard is it? Why does everyone have to 1vX like cheese builds do in order to be considered a good Class?

Lol nobody said that mDK isn't good, read before you rant. I said that taking away flame lash would make playing mDK a lot harder since that ability has exactly those benefits that all other skills a mDK has don't. This means that the class is mostly fine as it is now (imo).

I didn't read your post and from what I quote we don't seem to disagree st00pid : D
Why are you quoting me?

Fvh09NL

Since you "can't believe that mDK's complain", I was the only one vouching for mDK, but never said it wasn't good. So we do agree on the part that sDK doesn't need a whip or stamina version of dragonblood, but since you started talking about mDK's complaining I figured you were talking about me since nobody else did really talk about mDK. I didn't complain, I replied to the thread explaining why especially whip shouldn't be changed.

I could have done a better job quoting you though, since I only meant this part:

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Also I can't believe that magDKs complain. Just because you don't have mobility, execution and gap closer it doesn't mean that the class ain't good.
Stand your ground and win. How hard is it? Why does everyone have to 1vX like cheese builds do in order to be considered a good Class?

And the guy listing those characteristics was not talking about mDK's, but DK as a class. But if your post's last paragraph wasn't directed at me, I apologize.

ChildOfLight

Durham wrote: »

Just a note here....
In the top 100 on AD
9 total DKs only 3 are stam.. I'm one of them.
13 DKs are overall Top 100 I think 2 are stam....

DK were hit with 9 META stacking nerfs..

Right now stam DKs are out there but not no where as effective ..but no stam class is right now .. except stamblades... Right now if you want AP magicka is the way to go...

Ok this post is THE post. And should be copy-pasted in every thread out there, no matter the topic.

How can none got aware of the dirty state of things right now?

StamDk is nowhere existing right now. The most powerful zerg is the zerg with more magika characters.

If you want DIVERSITY in the game, you have to balance classes. Otherwise, welcome to The Elder Sorc Online.

Jawasa

Stamdk dont need better self heals They might need something to make them more relevant for group play. If you build them right in CP pvp they can tank several players and kill them. Play Aragonian for potion passiva and even more heals. Then build from that.

Durham

humpalicous wrote: »

The DK is fine as it is in my opinion, maybe a stam morph the Molten Whip skills for a single target spammable, but other than that I never run into any problems on my DK tank or dps build(s) when it comes to resource management or loss in performance.

On the contrary, when built correctly, the DK is virtually unkillable in some scenarios.

YES you have to build to be extra tanky... but dont expect kill anyone unless they are so bad they never heal themselves after fighting for 1 to 2 minutes lol...