Stam Build Aprocalypse!

Prince_of_all_Pugs

with the next upcoming patch nerfing procs sets to the ground, i was wondering how stam builds that use proc sets feel about these changes.

Asmael

I'd be using procs, I'd be quite happy.

Oblivion enchants fixed, making them stronger, Selene untouched. Viper having the same damage and too low a CD to be of any use purging that, Eternal Hunt is the same, you still have Poisonous Serpent available or even Torug's pact...

Fixed proc sets? Not even close.

Magus

What Asmael said, it also matters if Viper is purgeable or blockable. Right now, viper procs don't do much against blocktanks. However, if someone could test whether the viper DoT is blockable or not on PTS, I'd like to know that. If the DoT is unblockable it is actually a buff against blocktanks that aren't running extended ritual.

Adding a telegraph to Selene isn't going to make you able to avoid it, if you already can't. Most of the time it is immediately preceded by a take flight or an incap strike and the damage lands before the animation even plays with lag. Valkyn is also untouched and the least talked but most powerful proc set for magicka DKs/templars/nightblades.

I'm sure as we speak now, people are on the PTS to find the most broken combinations.

Publius_Scipio

We need to stop thinking about the whole "OMG this change is coming so this class, this meta, etc is going to collapse!" What we must do is look at the game's overall balance. 95% of people on the forums have said proc sets have been out of control since One Tamriel update.

Now ZOS is finally giving people what they want. Let's not let this become another "CP sucks, get rid of it for PvP", "No, we want more CP PvP campaigns!"

F[snip] the current metas, and f[snip] the troll builds.

Edit: And now that I think about it, f[snip] being constantly snared, f[snip] root spam, f[snip] group destro ult play.

FENGRUSH

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

We need to stop thinking about the whole "OMG this change is coming so this class, this meta, etc is going to collapse!" What we must do is look at the game's overall balance. 95% of people on the forums have said proc sets have been out of control since One Tamriel update.

Now ZOS is finally giving people what they want. Let's not let this become another "CP sucks, get rid of it for PvP", "No, we want more CP PvP campaigns!"

F[snip] the current metas, and f[snip] the troll builds.

Edit: And now that I think about it, f[snip] being constantly snared, f[snip] root spam, f[snip] group destro ult play.

Publius has spoken - let his message be sent across the lands and all threads on such topics be closed henceforth.

Minno

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

We need to stop thinking about the whole "OMG this change is coming so this class, this meta, etc is going to collapse!" What we must do is look at the game's overall balance. 95% of people on the forums have said proc sets have been out of control since One Tamriel update.

Now ZOS is finally giving people what they want. Let's not let this become another "CP sucks, get rid of it for PvP", "No, we want more CP PvP campaigns!"

F[snip] the current metas, and f[snip] the troll builds.

Edit: And now that I think about it, f[snip] being constantly snared, f[snip] root spam, f[snip] group destro ult play.

Publius has spoken - let his message be sent across the lands and all threads on such topics be closed henceforth.

I don't expect any less from the only Bard in ESO.

Scyantific

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Edit: And now that I think about it, f[snip] being constantly snared, f[snip] root spam, f[snip] group destro ult play.

Divines forbid that people play in groups in an MMO.

DisgracefulMind

So I tried the whole proctato thing for like 4 days, and it was fun I guess, but I'm much happier in my Shackle/Agility/vMA 2H build. I use Selene's, but, honestly, I really don't see an issue with using Selene's as my one proc. Could its damage be taken down? Sure. But at the same time it feels more like the stam version of Skoria to me. Viper, Widowmaker, Red Mountain all deserved the nerfs they got. I don't think they'll be go-to's anymore this coming patch. I'm also rather excited for heal debuffs to affect health regen, will be really nice against the troll-king rolltato builds.

I'm glad to see ZoS taking these sets down a notch, it's needed to happen for a long, long time.

Publius_Scipio

Scyantific wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Edit: And now that I think about it, f[snip] being constantly snared, f[snip] root spam, f[snip] group destro ult play.

Divines forbid that people play in groups in an MMO.

You highlighted too many words in making your point. Only should have highlighted "destro ult".

zyk

IMO, most of the sets introduced or updated since 2.3 have had a detrimental effect on gameplay. Though proc sets are objectively OP (calculate how much weapon damage you need to achieve that burst without them), they aren't the only problem I have. The game feels so cheesy and random.

HiImRex

Red mountain was a buff I mean you can spawn A *** VOLCANO every 2 seconds hello?? is that not the best set in the game now?! 100% serious bsns

Grimlok_S

HiImRex wrote: »

Red mountain was a buff I mean you can spawn A *** VOLCANO every 2 seconds hello?? is that not the best set in the game now?! 100% serious bsns

Yeah, that thing's full-scale too. It might only be 60% of vvardenfell, but get 3 guys running this set and you can fill the whole map of Cyrodiil.

RIP IC.

Talcyndl

Asmael wrote: »

Viper having the same damage and too low a CD to be of any use purging that

It's not the overall damage. It's the removal of the high burst. That is the biggest issue - especially when combined with sneak attacks. The change should make a big difference/nerf.

Prince_of_all_Pugs

I still think alot of people crutch on these sets, i hope they can adapt.

elfantasmo

Magus wrote: »

What Asmael said, it also matters if Viper is purgeable or blockable. Right now, viper procs don't do much against blocktanks. However, if someone could test whether the viper DoT is blockable or not on PTS, I'd like to know that. If the DoT is unblockable it is actually a buff against blocktanks that aren't running extended ritual.

Adding a telegraph to Selene isn't going to make you able to avoid it, if you already can't. Most of the time it is immediately preceded by a take flight or an incap strike and the damage lands before the animation even plays with lag. Valkyn is also untouched and the least talked but most powerful proc set for magicka DKs/templars/nightblades.

I'm sure as we speak now, people are on the PTS to find the most broken combinations.

This guy hit the nail on the head. The games biggest problem is that ZOS provide a sandbox for people to test out the newest exploits coming into the game. They need to remove this PTS and QA their own god damn releases.

rfennell_ESO

elfantasmo wrote: »

Magus wrote: »

What Asmael said, it also matters if Viper is purgeable or blockable. Right now, viper procs don't do much against blocktanks. However, if someone could test whether the viper DoT is blockable or not on PTS, I'd like to know that. If the DoT is unblockable it is actually a buff against blocktanks that aren't running extended ritual.

Adding a telegraph to Selene isn't going to make you able to avoid it, if you already can't. Most of the time it is immediately preceded by a take flight or an incap strike and the damage lands before the animation even plays with lag. Valkyn is also untouched and the least talked but most powerful proc set for magicka DKs/templars/nightblades.

I'm sure as we speak now, people are on the PTS to find the most broken combinations.

This guy hit the nail on the head. The games biggest problem is that ZOS provide a sandbox for people to test out the newest exploits coming into the game. They need to remove this PTS and QA their own god damn releases.

They need to NOT allow people with actions on their account on the pts.