VMA and DSA weapons as cyrodiil rewards?

Lord_Invel

It was a while back when master weapons were available as cyrodiil rewards. Can zos somehow make VMA and DSA weapons available in pvp zones costing like 2million or so ap in order to purchase them? We already get undaunted helms and shoulder sets as pvpers in the weekly vendor. Can we somehow get the VMA and DSA weapons as a reward or another portion of the weekly vendor that gives the weapons for a high amount of ap.

Spliffo

Why not just learn to run the content?

Scyantific

Spliffo wrote: »

Why not just learn to run the content?

Because they used to be rewards for placing at the very top ranks in Cyro????

Spliffo

Not since 1.6 but that really isn't a good reason. Also why should someone that repairs walls and farms ap obtain bis pve weapons without even setting foot in the arena? I honestly don't even know any top pvpers on xbox Na that can't get or don't already have them anyway so what would be the point

emma666

Spliffo wrote: »

Not since 1.6 but that really isn't a good reason. Also why should someone that repairs walls and farms ap obtain bis pve weapons without even setting foot in the arena? I honestly don't even know any top pvpers on xbox Na that can't get or don't already have them anyway so what would be the point

By your logic, why should PVErs who never set their foot in Cyrodiil have access to literally every set that drops in Cyrodiil, Imperial City or battlegrounds without earning any AP considering it's all bind on equip?

I think it's a good idea, it definitely gave you a reason to want to be high on the leaderboards back in the day.

zyk

Spliffo wrote: »

Why not just learn to run the content?

Probably because players who enjoy an open world AvA sandbox don't want to spend their time grinding instances.

Master weapons and Trial sets were introduced as gold end of campaign rewards in 1.5 and removed in 2.1 because Master weapons and trial sets were not updated to v16 at that time.

I do not believe ZOS has ever explained why Cyro rewards were so significantly nerfed. Maybe @ZOS_BrianWheeler can tell us why the top scoring AvA players were deserving of such drops then, but not now.

Spliffo

zyk wrote: »

Spliffo wrote: »

Why not just learn to run the content?

Probably because players who enjoy an open world AvA sandbox don't want to spend their time grinding instances.

Master weapons and Trial sets were introduced as gold end of campaign rewards in 1.5 and removed in 2.1 because Master weapons and trial sets were not updated to v16 at that time.

I do not believe ZOS has ever explained why Cyro rewards were so significantly nerfed. Maybe @ZOS_BrianWheeler can tell us why the top scoring AvA players were deserving of such drops then, but not now.

Sounds like 4 year old who wants ice cream before dinner. "No Mom I don't want that I want ice cream!" <-- that's you, that's what you sound like.

ForsakenSin

simple

To complete VMSA and obtain a chance in getting a BiS weapons you are only relaying on your self...

In PVP a guild can easy push all of their players in obtaining a BiS weapon that is the reason why it was removed.

you want a BiS weapon earn it by your self ... go in VMSA and swear, brake your controller, yell at the screen, rage quit, die die and die many times over until you finish it just like everybody else did

Morgul667

Nop

zyk

I doubt the OP rages at vMA. I completed vMA in 2.2. It's np. That's not the point.

IMO, all gear should have both PVE and AvA acquisition paths because they offer extremely different experiences. A lot of players enjoy one but hate the other. It's obvious why. Asking a PVP player to grind PVE is obviously different than asking a PVE player to grind PVE.

This isn't a new idea. Trial and vDSA items were at one time gold end of campaign rewards. This tier of PVP reward was removed without explanation. It is fair to expect both exclusive AvA rewards for top performers and an explanation about why they were removed in the first place.

A major problem for AvA focused players in ESO is the PVE gear grind. It's a major reason this game fails to attract bona fide and dedicated PVP players. PVP players want to spend time fighting other players. This is a big reason why AvA players leave and why those who have left don't come back.

Subversus

I'm fine with vMA weapons in vMA, but imo vDSA weapons should be pvp rewards as well. It's hard as *** to find a group of people that wanna do that on PC EU...

Alucardo

Spliffo wrote: »

Why not just learn to run the content?

How do you learn to find 3 other members to run vDSA with you?

DoccEff

Spliffo wrote: »

Why not just learn to run the content?

I agree on that for VMA, but as many others already stated, Master Weapons once were rewards for both PvE (DSA) and PvP (leaderboard rewards).

maxjapank

No reason not to have vMA and DSA weapons as pvp rewards. Titles should be bragging rights, not gear.

gpreid81

Not vMA or Dsa weapons but something like the old master rewards Deffo

Lord_Hev

I still use my VR 14 Master resto I got 3 years ago from the Thornblade campaign right before the end of 1.5.





I once killed a max CP DC NB that is named after a wild cat, using soul assault on that resto bar too. I should give this staff a name, it's been my trusty side-kick for so long.

Sallington

Spliffo wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

Spliffo wrote: »

Why not just learn to run the content?

Probably because players who enjoy an open world AvA sandbox don't want to spend their time grinding instances.

Master weapons and Trial sets were introduced as gold end of campaign rewards in 1.5 and removed in 2.1 because Master weapons and trial sets were not updated to v16 at that time.

I do not believe ZOS has ever explained why Cyro rewards were so significantly nerfed. Maybe @ZOS_BrianWheeler can tell us why the top scoring AvA players were deserving of such drops then, but not now.

Sounds like 4 year old who wants ice cream before dinner. "No Mom I don't want that I want ice cream!" <-- that's you, that's what you sound like.

It kind of sounds like he explained exactly why people ask the question, "Why were Master weapons removed from End of Campaign rewards", and you sound like a prick.

Malamar1229

Lord_Invel wrote: »

It was a while back when master weapons were available as cyrodiil rewards. Can zos somehow make VMA and DSA weapons available in pvp zones costing like 2million or so ap in order to purchase them? We already get undaunted helms and shoulder sets as pvpers in the weekly vendor. Can we somehow get the VMA and DSA weapons as a reward or another portion of the weekly vendor that gives the weapons for a high amount of ap.

hey you!
-makkir

CyrusArya

Master Weapons? Sure. VMA Weapons? Nope.

Reason being, in both PvP and DSA you can be carried by others to get whatever you need out of that content. That is not true in VMA.

IcyDeadPeople

emma666 wrote: »

Spliffo wrote: »

Not since 1.6 but that really isn't a good reason. Also why should someone that repairs walls and farms ap obtain bis pve weapons without even setting foot in the arena? I honestly don't even know any top pvpers on xbox Na that can't get or don't already have them anyway so what would be the point

By your logic, why should PVErs who never set their foot in Cyrodiil have access to literally every set that drops in Cyrodiil, Imperial City or battlegrounds without earning any AP considering it's all bind on equip?

I think it's a good idea, it definitely gave you a reason to want to be high on the leaderboards back in the day.

Well said, would be nice if those who prefer to spend all their time in PVP could gear up their PVP build without having to spend months running some PVE dungeon over and over.

Grimlok_S

Pvpers were the first to figure out vma anyway.
If you can pvp worth your weight then vma is a breeze.

Danksta

If you could buy a weapon in a preferred trait for 2 mil AP why would anyone (even PvE'ers) try to get them through the arena? And if you're suggesting more RNG boxes, well there's something seriously wrong with you.

NBrookus

Or create a new one piece weapon that drops with gold leaderboard rewards that is as useful. It's been over a year since VMA weapons were introduced. Surely it's time for another option?

Then we can listen the people saying "just find 3 other people and grind VSA" whine they can't get it because it drops in PvP only.

KingJ

I don't think VMA Weapons should drop.I would Like for VMA weapon to drop still need a sharpened Great sword after 600 runs.PVEr would cry so hard it be funny.

VDSA is a group content similar to PVP and I believe Master weapons should drop in PVP leaderboard rewards.

apostate9

Spliffo wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

Spliffo wrote: »

Why not just learn to run the content?

Probably because players who enjoy an open world AvA sandbox don't want to spend their time grinding instances.

Master weapons and Trial sets were introduced as gold end of campaign rewards in 1.5 and removed in 2.1 because Master weapons and trial sets were not updated to v16 at that time.

I do not believe ZOS has ever explained why Cyro rewards were so significantly nerfed. Maybe @ZOS_BrianWheeler can tell us why the top scoring AvA players were deserving of such drops then, but not now.

Sounds like 4 year old who wants ice cream before dinner. "No Mom I don't want that I want ice cream!" <-- that's you, that's what you sound like.

No, it isn't. He sounds perfectly reasonable. Unless you think Transmutation, VD, et al should be BOP?

Lord_Invel

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Lord_Invel wrote: »

It was a while back when master weapons were available as cyrodiil rewards. Can zos somehow make VMA and DSA weapons available in pvp zones costing like 2million or so ap in order to purchase them? We already get undaunted helms and shoulder sets as pvpers in the weekly vendor. Can we somehow get the VMA and DSA weapons as a reward or another portion of the weekly vendor that gives the weapons for a high amount of ap.

hey you!
-makkir

Hey dude nice duels in pts I hope u change to max mag build would like to see how stronger you can become with it !

Izaki

Another scheme for not doing vMA and vDSA and just buying BiS weapons?

AP is easy to earn, you don't even need to PvP, you just have to hang around keeps. AP is much easier to earn than learning to do the content.

Anunakis

Spliffo wrote: »

Not since 1.6 but that really isn't a good reason. Also why should someone that repairs walls and farms ap obtain bis pve weapons without even setting foot in the arena? I honestly don't even know any top pvpers on xbox Na that can't get or don't already have them anyway so what would be the point

agree why AP exploiters would have something just for sucking more AP, ap farming is the easiest way to farm gold not any skill required just blind zergling can do , and why pve weapon for pve content use in pvp? i dont see pvp sets for trials so why give any pve sets for pvp ?

farmers should be baned not rewarded, regular players should play in guilds ( not trading ) and if anyone wants just to solo content - let them cry this is mmo

maxjapank

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Another scheme for not doing vMA and vDSA and just buying BiS weapons?

AP is easy to earn, you don't even need to PvP, you just have to hang around keeps. AP is much easier to earn than learning to do the content.

You afraid that the "average player" might be better than you if they had those BIS weapons?

Morgul667

Interesting arguments in here.

Dont advise to have VMA weapons as PVP reward for all mentioned reasons.

VDSA Im not sure, id rather have other strong but PVP weapons to replace them.

Danksta

maxjapank wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Another scheme for not doing vMA and vDSA and just buying BiS weapons?

AP is easy to earn, you don't even need to PvP, you just have to hang around keeps. AP is much easier to earn than learning to do the content.

You afraid that the "average player" might be better than you if they had those BIS weapons?

Average players will remain average, even with an extra 200 WD/SD.