[Help!] How to kill vMA last boss with high ping?

SilverWF

Build http://imgur.com/a/ownH3
Mag Sorc, so called Heavy attack build, 51600 max mag, 29k shield, ~3000 self buffed spell dmg
The main problem is: everything hits you like a truck. And I have 100-150 ping - even if ingame meter shows me ~90, but this is just marketing from ZOS. On my feelings this is more than 100, close to 150.

Yes, there was hard levels, but when you are managing to get mechs - it's not so hard (yes, even crazy random argonian level). But not the last one.
I can't dodge fire breath of daedroths - it hits while you are rolling (lol), the only saving here is shield (have no idea, how guys without it would complete last stage). I understand, that at server I'm staying still for the monster and he is spitting a half of his breath on me before I'm reacting, while at my client I'm starting dodging even before he started to do that.
Sometimes flying spirits hits you through the shield (lol). Be cause at server I'm without shield already, while my client shows me that it still exist.
U got CCed and pressing break free like crazy, but nothiing happening for at least 1 second, and then, while CC nearly ended - you are freeing yourself, lol.
I've dead here a zillion times because my bars hasn't swapped and I wasn't able to cast shield. Or pressing shield button like crazy (at low HP), but it didn't casts (even if Action Duration addon already shows you colldown for it) and you are dead at your client - because you were dead already at server half second before.

That guy who created vMA is ... special.
No, really, I wish ZOS would make a stream with making it at ping 100-150 - not like their usual pointless blah-blah streams, but a real challenge. Come on, ZOS!

GlorphNoldorin

Hey
I run at 330ping and have no trouble completing vma on HA magsorc. I am close to flawless.
I agree about not seeing how it can be done without shields especially with high ping.

I still have sustain trouble even with HA build. I run 2 Illambris, 5 necro, 3 IA vma fire and random lightning. All gold, 5,1,1.
I'm using the witchmother's brew and that makes sustain fine for me.

The way i approach last boss:
I make sure I have destro ult ready from last round.
Once boss ports, interrupt with crushing shock, lay dots and destro around boss, this takes out daedroth as you strafe while HA, shield if necessary.

I use speed and immovable potion, kill clanfear and go up.
The pattern is 1,2,2,2..... for Boss skulls. So I lay dots on first crystal and almost immediately dodgeroll and move to the next and repeat. With the speed buff I can move easier and HA while avoiding his aoe. Go in the same direction as most of his aoe are behind you then. I usually can get all crystals done in two rounds but is difficult at times with lag and the speed buff.

If getting too pressured I often drop down and at times have used negate on the daedroth and this makes it very easy to kill. Mostly now I just kite and shield and heal with pet if needed saving ult for when crystals are down.

Once crystals are down, I run to the shield sigil and let boss burn himself down. After the sigil I run towards the boss and lay aoe and grab gold ghost as it gets close to him, keeping out of his aoe stun. When he ports I move towards him, interrupt and lay ult and dots grabbing the second golg ghost as it gets close to him. Sometimes he is almost dead or dead at this stage but my dps sucks so usually he ports again. Be ready to block his skull and close to get the last gold ghost.

it often gets hairy now with my lag but usually it is staight forward to stun and finish him off.

Speed pots are useful but it is mainly learning the patterns.

Good luck

Spliffo

Get over it n don't blame your ping. I'm an Aussie n have never seen my ping below 240 and have 5 flawless toons

SilverWF

GlorphNoldorin wrote: »

Hey
I run at 330ping and have no trouble completing vma on HA magsorc. I am close to flawless.
I agree about not seeing how it can be done without shields especially with high ping.

I still have sustain trouble even with HA build. I run 2 Illambris, 5 necro, 3 IA vma fire and random lightning. All gold, 5,1,1.
I'm using the witchmother's brew and that makes sustain fine for me.

The way i approach last boss:
I make sure I have destro ult ready from last round.
Once boss ports, interrupt with crushing shock, lay dots and destro around boss, this takes out daedroth as you strafe while HA, shield if necessary.

I use speed and immovable potion, kill clanfear and go up.
The pattern is 1,2,2,2..... for Boss skulls. So I lay dots on first crystal and almost immediately dodgeroll and move to the next and repeat. With the speed buff I can move easier and HA while avoiding his aoe. Go in the same direction as most of his aoe are behind you then. I usually can get all crystals done in two rounds but is difficult at times with lag and the speed buff.

If getting too pressured I often drop down and at times have used negate on the daedroth and this makes it very easy to kill. Mostly now I just kite and shield and heal with pet if needed saving ult for when crystals are down.

Once crystals are down, I run to the shield sigil and let boss burn himself down. After the sigil I run towards the boss and lay aoe and grab gold ghost as it gets close to him, keeping out of his aoe stun. When he ports I move towards him, interrupt and lay ult and dots grabbing the second golg ghost as it gets close to him. Sometimes he is almost dead or dead at this stage but my dps sucks so usually he ports again. Be ready to block his skull and close to get the last gold ghost.

it often gets hairy now with my lag but usually it is staight forward to stun and finish him off.

Speed pots are useful but it is mainly learning the patterns.

Good luck

I know his patterns pretty well already, it doesn't help.
I'll repeat: everything hits like a truck. And I can't react well, because while I think I'm safe - I'm already dead at server. One time I were even dead with half HP bar, lol
I need to waste 3 shields (three!) or even 4 to survive daedroth breath, no need to say that I can't HA while this.
That chains under ground constantly spamming under me. So I can't HA because of this too
Sometimes he manage to hit me with skull while I'm hitting crystals, I'm pressing break free immidiately and - while breakfree animation!! - I'm continue squeezing to the corner and falling down in the most cases. How the F it's possible? How did they created that level? Did they tested it at all?

My best was ~15% HP left ><

And, seriously, if to complete vMA I need vMA weapon - that's a very bad design

Spliffo wrote: »

Get over it n don't blame your ping. I'm an Aussie n have never seen my ping below 240 and have 5 flawless toons

I've asked for help in current game, not cool pre-Morrowind stories, thanks.

Morgul667

Above 400 ms you can really see the difference with 250 ms. I have between 300 and 600 ms on normal days and finished it.

150 ms is low ping , you'll be fine, just practice

Morgul667

You dont need vma weapons. I do my runs without them. Turn around the deadroth to avoid its breath and huge damage, is the best advise anyone ever told me for vma.

Always shield up (ALWAYS), amange your ressources to always have enough magicka for shields

When downstairs, focus on 2 things: not getting hit by cranes or meteors and get all the yellow ghosts.

You'll die many times and eventually pass it.

SilverWF

Morgul667 wrote: »

Turn around the deadroth to avoid its breath and huge damage, is the best advise anyone ever told me for vma.

Yes, this is obvious, but for me that daedroths not like we can met i.e. in WGT: they turning to you while breathing and even running! ><

Morgul667

SilverWF wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

Turn around the deadroth to avoid its breath and huge damage, is the best advise anyone ever told me for vma.

Yes, this is obvious, but for me that daedroths not like we can met i.e. in WGT: they turning to you while breathing and even running! ><

You need to practice

Another way is shield all the way, spam your shield when he is breathing (but I mean like really spam)

Use powersigil for better dps if needed

stileanima

SilverWF wrote: »

And I have 100-150 ping - even if ingame meter shows me ~90, but this is just marketing from ZOS. On my feelings this is more than 100, close to 150.

100-150 ping is more than fine to complete vMA. My ping is within the exact same range, and I am able to run the trial without issue (occasional lag spikes of over 500 ping will wreck a flawless run every now and then).

SilverWF wrote: »

I can't dodge fire breath of daedroths - it hits while you are rolling (lol), the only saving here is shield (have no idea, how guys without it would complete last stage). I understand, that at server I'm staying still for the monster and he is spitting a half of his breath on me before I'm reacting, while at my client I'm starting dodging even before he started to do that.

A bit of advice for the Daedroth: Do not stand still while he attacks you with his fire breath. Instead, move in tight circles around him, as this will make you take substantially less damage than standing in one spot; you cannot avoid this damage entirely (unless you move completely out of his range, but doing so will only make him stay alive longer than necessary), but what you can do is shield, do damage AND heal yourself while he does this attack on you. You do this by making sure your Power Surge is up, you are shielded at the start of the breath, and your DOTs are on the ground under his feet. I know you say you are attempting this with a heavy attack build, but I would recommend using your spammable on him if you find that you cannot kill him with heavy attacks (though you should be able to do so if your DOTs are on him).

I also see that your CPs could be better allocated, too. Even though you're on a Sorc, for vMA, I would put far fewer CPs into Bastion than what you currently have. I recommend that you pump up Hardy and Elemental Defender, and put more into Thick Skinned. Doing so will make you more 'tanky' when your shield is off, and will absolutely help you to survive against the Daedroth's fire more than you are now.

SilverWF wrote: »

I've dead here a zillion times because my bars hasn't swapped and I wasn't able to cast shield. Or pressing shield button like crazy (at low HP), but it didn't casts (even if Action Duration addon already shows you colldown for it) and you are dead at your client - because you were dead already at server half second before.

This sounds just like me when I first started trying to complete vMA. No matter what I did, bar swaps, shielding and healing were always insanely delayed, often until it was too late. I was CONVINCED that there was something wrong with the game, my Internet connection, the Arena was bugged, the world was out to get me, etc.

What I realized, though, after calming down and taking a minute to think about it, was that there was nothing wrong with any of those things, and that the problem instead was with me. In my frenzy to complete the Arena for the first time, and in my nervousness from so many times coming so close to winning, and always failing due to one of the "aforementioned issues", I realized that I was simply pressing buttons too fast. I know it sounds silly, but really, this is a thing. You must understand that all skills are on a global cooldown of (I believe) one second. So even if I do actually press the buttons to shield, heal myself and take out the boss with one final Force Pulse before wiping, the game will simply not allow me to do those three things at once because I cannot bypass the global cooldowns on skills.

So, my advice to you on this front is to focus on your fingers when you can, and to prioritize what skills to use, in what order. This is what helped me to help myself in the end (the latter will come with more experience in the Arena) and it has ultimately made me a better player overall (even though sometimes I suffer from the same old afflictions when 'tilted', which is something I'm working on... lol).

SilverWF wrote: »

No, really, I wish ZOS would make a stream with making it at ping 100-150 - not like their usual pointless blah-blah streams, but a real challenge. Come on, ZOS!

There are plenty of streams out there of players completing vMA with 100-150 ping; my own videos included on my YouTube channel, if you are so inclined to watch. My most recent vMA upload is of a 571k score on Magicka Warden, and my highest score overall is not recorded. So it can be done, trust me. ^^ And there are far better players than me, with far worse ping, who score even higher than I do, by a substantial amount.


In the end, as others have said, just keep at it and practice, and you will get it. But the solution ultimately lies within yourself, not with your Internet connection.

LadyNalcarya

Oh, 100-150 is not that high for ESO. When I used to farm vMA, I had 999+ spikes and crashes and still managed to get Flawless (it was before they added sets like Ilambris and destro ult, too). So its totally possible.

Morgul667

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Oh, 100-150 is not that high for ESO. When I used to farm vMA, I had 999+ spikes and crashes and still managed to get Flawless (it was before they added sets like Ilambris and destro ult, too). So its totally possible.

Agree but those 999+ spike often result in death and this is not fun.

I have paused VMA for last 2 weeks due to additional lag