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Spent a patch nerfing sustain then buffs it next patch?

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leepalmer95
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Boosts mundus stones
Boosts 2/3/4 pieces on gear stats including regen.


I feel like zos is going in a circle here.
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  • Vercingetorix
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    Given the amount of negative feedback ZoS has received, they were more or less forced to do something about it. Rolling back the changes would have been cleaner, but now just adding regen values makes the nerf in the first place pointless as you pointed out. ZoS still needs to address medium weaving and the fact it currently gives ZERO resources.
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  • O_LYKOS
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    they should've just made all the changes but left the cp alone in the first place, they wouldn't be doing all this unnecessary work
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  • Alucardo
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    That's just how balancing works. You take things down a peg, see how it plays out, then buff it until you find the right groove. I really like the mundus changes.
    I'll be rockin' TBS and Impreg next update for sure. Impreg will be better than ever with the crit buffs
  • Dymence
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    leepalmer95 wrote: »
    Boosts mundus stones
    Boosts 2/3/4 pieces on gear stats including regen.


    I feel like zos is going in a circle here.

    Universally adjusted the values of some 1, 2, 3, and 4-piece bonus stats for all Item Sets:

    Max Health, Magicka, or Stamina has been increased by 13.3%
    Weapon Critical or Spell Critical rating has been increased by 55%
    Physical or Spell Resistance has been increased by 13.8%
    Physical or Spell Penetration has been decreased by 22%

    Including regen you say?
  • magictucktuck
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    Because this way you don't freely get sustain via cp. you chose it in your Build
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  • DHale
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    Correcting an over nerf... sounds good.
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  • Sigtric
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    magictucktuck wrote: »
    Because this way you don't freely get sustain via cp. you chose it in your Build

    Pretty much this.

    Also it makes the different mundus stones more desirable, instead of nearly everyone running thief (excluded some specific instances)

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  • bubbygink
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    All they did was buff the regen munduses a bit. Really don't think they buffed sustain much...
  • Brutusmax1mus
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    Did they change regen amounts on sets? Thoughr it was crit and pene
  • Vercingetorix
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    Brutusmax1mus wrote: »
    Did they change regen amounts on sets? Thoughr it was crit and pene

    All values got buffed by various amounts, except Pen, which got nerfed. Seducer just got a massive sustain buff, which is good.

    Also, Spinner will be strong as it is immune to the nerf against pen - it along with a little Erosion CP can replace Sharpened and allow you to run Precise (now 9%) and Thief (which only got nerfed from 16.77% to 13.88% with 7 gold divines).
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  • Magdalina
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    Vercingetorix wrote: »
    Brutusmax1mus wrote: »
    Did they change regen amounts on sets? Thoughr it was crit and pene

    All values got buffed by various amounts, except Pen, which got nerfed. Seducer just got a massive sustain buff, which is good.

    That's not what patch notes say.

    All the sustain concerning changes seem to be the Mundus ones. Which are more going along with general Mundus overhaul than buffing sustain specifically.
  • Vercingetorix
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    Magdalina wrote: »
    Vercingetorix wrote: »
    Brutusmax1mus wrote: »
    Did they change regen amounts on sets? Thoughr it was crit and pene

    All values got buffed by various amounts, except Pen, which got nerfed. Seducer just got a massive sustain buff, which is good.

    That's not what patch notes say.

    All the sustain concerning changes seem to be the Mundus ones. Which are more going along with general Mundus overhaul than buffing sustain specifically.

    Keep reading, buddy! The 2, 3, and 4-piece bonuses are buffed as well. Regen and stat perks got a buff! Crit also got a buff - on gear. Pen got a nerf on gear sets, too.
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  • Berenhir
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    Vercingetorix wrote: »
    Magdalina wrote: »
    Vercingetorix wrote: »
    Brutusmax1mus wrote: »
    Did they change regen amounts on sets? Thoughr it was crit and pene

    All values got buffed by various amounts, except Pen, which got nerfed. Seducer just got a massive sustain buff, which is good.

    That's not what patch notes say.

    All the sustain concerning changes seem to be the Mundus ones. Which are more going along with general Mundus overhaul than buffing sustain specifically.

    Keep reading, buddy! The 2, 3, and 4-piece bonuses are buffed as well. Regen and stat perks got a buff! Crit also got a buff - on gear. Pen got a nerf on gear sets, too.

    You haven't been on PTS, have you? :D
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  • SodanTok
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    Vercingetorix wrote: »
    Magdalina wrote: »
    Vercingetorix wrote: »
    Brutusmax1mus wrote: »
    Did they change regen amounts on sets? Thoughr it was crit and pene

    All values got buffed by various amounts, except Pen, which got nerfed. Seducer just got a massive sustain buff, which is good.

    That's not what patch notes say.

    All the sustain concerning changes seem to be the Mundus ones. Which are more going along with general Mundus overhaul than buffing sustain specifically.

    Keep reading, buddy! The 2, 3, and 4-piece bonuses are buffed as well. Regen and stat perks got a buff! Crit also got a buff - on gear. Pen got a nerf on gear sets, too.

    You should keep reading
    Universally adjusted the values of some 1, 2, 3, and 4-piece bonus stats for all Item Sets:
    Max Health, Magicka, or Stamina has been increased by 13.3%
    Weapon Critical or Spell Critical rating has been increased by 55%
    Physical or Spell Resistance has been increased by 13.8%
    Physical or Spell Penetration has been decreased by 22%

    I highlighted the critical word for you
    Edited by SodanTok on July 11, 2017 12:36AM
  • MasterSpatula
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    While I steadfastly disagree that the nerf was a good idea, there's a big flaw in your logic:

    Nerfing sustain across the board and then giving you a way to get it back by sacrificing other things is hardly "going in circles."
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  • Qyrk
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    leepalmer95 wrote: »
    Boosts mundus stones
    Boosts 2/3/4 pieces on gear stats including regen.


    I feel like zos is going in a circle here.

    @leepalmer95 @Vercingetorix
    wrong

    Universally adjusted the values of some 1, 2, 3, and 4-piece bonus stats for all Item Sets. This doesn't include regen.

    SMH
  • TheRealPotoroo
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    Vercingetorix wrote: »
    Magdalina wrote: »
    Vercingetorix wrote: »
    Brutusmax1mus wrote: »
    Did they change regen amounts on sets? Thoughr it was crit and pene

    All values got buffed by various amounts, except Pen, which got nerfed. Seducer just got a massive sustain buff, which is good.

    That's not what patch notes say.

    All the sustain concerning changes seem to be the Mundus ones. Which are more going along with general Mundus overhaul than buffing sustain specifically.

    Keep reading, buddy! The 2, 3, and 4-piece bonuses are buffed as well. Regen and stat perks got a buff! Crit also got a buff - on gear. Pen got a nerf on gear sets, too.
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  • KochDerDamonen
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    These are also things that you would have to drop normally damage or defense buffing things one would have equipped, to make use of.

    Seems perfectly fine to me. Get sustain for sacrificing more slots and buffs to sustain options.
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    TheRealPotoroo wrote: »
    Vercingetorix wrote: »
    Magdalina wrote: »
    Vercingetorix wrote: »
    Brutusmax1mus wrote: »
    Did they change regen amounts on sets? Thoughr it was crit and pene

    All values got buffed by various amounts, except Pen, which got nerfed. Seducer just got a massive sustain buff, which is good.

    That's not what patch notes say.

    All the sustain concerning changes seem to be the Mundus ones. Which are more going along with general Mundus overhaul than buffing sustain specifically.

    Keep reading, buddy! The 2, 3, and 4-piece bonuses are buffed as well. Regen and stat perks got a buff! Crit also got a buff - on gear. Pen got a nerf on gear sets, too.
    Could this be the end of my Spriggans farming days?

    Spriggan penetration is 5 piece bonus not 2,3 and 4. 5 piece bonuses are untouched.
  • Publius_Scipio
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    To be fair Mr. Wrobel did say on a more recent episode of ESO Live that the whole plan for Morrowind was to drive the golf ball off the tee and make changes that could be considered "big jumps". Then start tweaking and putt the golf ball (aka make smaller adjustments as necessary) to achieve a better overall balance.

    If ZOS decided the hit to sustain was too much, then so be it. But ZOS was upfront about their plan.
  • Militan1404
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    Do they gonna buff the extra wepon damage u get on maelstrom wepons to since they buffed the 2,3 and 4 bonus on other sets?
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    Militan1404 wrote: »
    Do they gonna buff the extra wepon damage u get on maelstrom wepons to since they buffed the 2,3 and 4 bonus on other sets?

    They have not, still 189.
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    Vercingetorix wrote: »
    Magdalina wrote: »
    Vercingetorix wrote: »
    Brutusmax1mus wrote: »
    Did they change regen amounts on sets? Thoughr it was crit and pene

    All values got buffed by various amounts, except Pen, which got nerfed. Seducer just got a massive sustain buff, which is good.

    That's not what patch notes say.

    All the sustain concerning changes seem to be the Mundus ones. Which are more going along with general Mundus overhaul than buffing sustain specifically.

    Keep reading, buddy! The 2, 3, and 4-piece bonuses are buffed as well. Regen and stat perks got a buff! Crit also got a buff - on gear. Pen got a nerf on gear sets, too.

    Quote me the patch notes that said that, because the ones I saw said otherwise.
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    Militan1404 wrote: »
    Do they gonna buff the extra wepon damage u get on maelstrom wepons to since they buffed the 2,3 and 4 bonus on other sets?

    MA weapons are not a set, they just have a special enchantment.
  • Militan1404
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    Magdalina wrote: »
    Militan1404 wrote: »
    Do they gonna buff the extra wepon damage u get on maelstrom wepons to since they buffed the 2,3 and 4 bonus on other sets?

    MA weapons are not a set, they just have a special enchantment.

    I know that, but take the two handed for example nobody in pvp use for the glyph its for the ekstra weapon damage so, so if i have maelstrom greatsword on my back bar instead of a 4th set bonus it would be no point becouse the 4th set bonus would be stronger. But then i didnt see anything about wepon or spell damage on the patch notes just crit and max stam, mag and etc.
  • leepalmer95
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    Militan1404 wrote: »
    Magdalina wrote: »
    Militan1404 wrote: »
    Do they gonna buff the extra wepon damage u get on maelstrom wepons to since they buffed the 2,3 and 4 bonus on other sets?

    MA weapons are not a set, they just have a special enchantment.

    I know that, but take the two handed for example nobody in pvp use for the glyph its for the ekstra weapon damage so, so if i have maelstrom greatsword on my back bar instead of a 4th set bonus it would be no point becouse the 4th set bonus would be stronger. But then i didnt see anything about wepon or spell damage on the patch notes just crit and max stam, mag and etc.

    Not really

    189 wpn dmg is still better than any 4th piece bonus dmg.
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  • Personofsecrets
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    We will see buffs to sustain in about another 4 months.

    There is usually a pretty long turn around time for changes when dealing with big companies.
  • DRXHarbinger
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    Did regen actually get buffed from this? Bar the Atro Mundus? Annoying if so and it doesn't affect 5th Piece. TFS pen is still 5k on PTS but it means Amberplasm doesn't get a buff...Buffing that 5th Piece would have been so strong.
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  • Strider_Roshin
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    I won't be able to play the PTS until Saturday so I have no way of confirming one way or the other about a potential regen buff.

    I can however do the math, and state that since 129 x 1.85 = 238 I highly doubt it was buffed; including WD/SD bonuses.
  • Muttsmutt
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    how dare they go back and address something that has received negative feedback!!
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