Friendly Fire AOE Attacks

GrumpyDuckling

I'd love to at least test this. If an ally is damaging an enemy with an AOE and you're in that AOE, then you take damage too. So tired of multiple magblades running immovable pots + lotus fan + destro ultimate.

Publius_Scipio

Why only aoe?

stealthyevil

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

So tired of multiple magblades running immovable pots + lotus fan + destro ultimate.

Then don't stand in a zerg and you won't get destro ult'd, unless someone has you on their KOS notebook.

GrumpyDuckling

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Why only aoe?

Not sure how single targeted attacks, which lock onto enemy, would work hitting allies.

GrumpyDuckling

stealthyevil wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

So tired of multiple magblades running immovable pots + lotus fan + destro ultimate.

Then don't stand in a zerg and you won't get destro ult'd, unless someone has you on their KOS notebook.

Stacking up destro ultimates and spamming gap closers works against small groups too, ya know.

Not sure how familiar you are with Cyrodiil, but my group (usually 3 of us, total) likes to spend most of our time around Cropsford, Bruma, and Vlastarus. They used to be fun for small scale PVP but ever since flags were put in, towns have become destination points for zergs hoping to gain a tactical respawn area.

So no, most of the time we aren't standing in allied zergs, instead the enemy zergs come to us. We can defend the town against the first wave, but once multiple destro ultimates start stacking on one another, it's game over.

Publius_Scipio

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Why only aoe?

Not sure how single targeted attacks, which lock onto enemy, would work hitting allies.

If you want friendly fire why can't i just turn around and attack someone viciously at South High Rock with all attacks? Why only AOE?

Hempyre

Lol, you think there's spy problems now...

GrumpyDuckling

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Why only aoe?

Not sure how single targeted attacks, which lock onto enemy, would work hitting allies.

If you want friendly fire why can't i just turn around and attack someone viciously at South High Rock with all attacks? Why only AOE?

Too much power for traitors if you could purposely attack your own alliance. The AOE example is situational. An enemy has to be hit for it to affect allies.

Trashkan

I like the idea but I would only make it an option in an unranked bg match say one you could do with 12 guildies.

Subversus

I'd run around killing everyone I don't like, and I wouldn't be the only one. How can this suggestion ever be good for the game???

Karm1cOne

Some of the more vocal zone chat folks would be always ganked. Poor Telel.

Publius_Scipio

Karm1cOne wrote: »

Some of the more vocal zone chat folks would be always ganked. Poor Telel.

The dissidents within the COVENANT, their weak minds which can't grasp honor like Steve of Ve, someone like Potato Canon, would try to assassinate me. But little does Potato BB Gun know, this is how it all ends....

Fyaal

I would accidentally wipe EP all the time with destros on keep flags.

Whats the point of this terrible plan?

stealthyevil

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

stealthyevil wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

So tired of multiple magblades running immovable pots + lotus fan + destro ultimate.

Then don't stand in a zerg and you won't get destro ult'd, unless someone has you on their KOS notebook.

Stacking up destro ultimates and spamming gap closers works against small groups too, ya know.

Not sure how familiar you are with Cyrodiil, but my group (usually 3 of us, total) likes to spend most of our time around Cropsford, Bruma, and Vlastarus. They used to be fun for small scale PVP but ever since flags were put in, towns have become destination points for zergs hoping to gain a tactical respawn area.

So no, most of the time we aren't standing in allied zergs, instead the enemy zergs come to us. We can defend the town against the first wave, but once multiple destro ultimates start stacking on one another, it's game over.

I assure you that I am very familiar with Cyrodiil. Sounds like a l2p issue to me. If you know a zerg is going to show up somewhere, why go ?

GrumpyDuckling

stealthyevil wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

stealthyevil wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

So tired of multiple magblades running immovable pots + lotus fan + destro ultimate.

Then don't stand in a zerg and you won't get destro ult'd, unless someone has you on their KOS notebook.

Stacking up destro ultimates and spamming gap closers works against small groups too, ya know.

Not sure how familiar you are with Cyrodiil, but my group (usually 3 of us, total) likes to spend most of our time around Cropsford, Bruma, and Vlastarus. They used to be fun for small scale PVP but ever since flags were put in, towns have become destination points for zergs hoping to gain a tactical respawn area.

So no, most of the time we aren't standing in allied zergs, instead the enemy zergs come to us. We can defend the town against the first wave, but once multiple destro ultimates start stacking on one another, it's game over.

I assure you that I am very familiar with Cyrodiil. Sounds like a l2p issue to me. If you know a zerg is going to show up somewhere, why go ?

If it's a learn to play issue, then please teach me how to play against 5+ Nightblade's with immovable pots spamming Lotus Fan with Destro Ultimate.

And to answer your question, we prefer towns because sometimes other small groups go to them too. We just hope that most of the time the zergs are occupied elsewhere.

Solariken

Sure, could be cool on a faction-locked campaign.

GrumpyDuckling

Fyaal wrote: »

I would accidentally wipe EP all the time with destros on keep flags.

Whats the point of this terrible plan?

Smart usage of AOE. Instead of just stacking up on allies with AOE, players would be wise to think about positioning of themselves and allies on the battlefield.

Regarding keep flags, right now it's just, okay we broke through the wall or door, now everyone cast your destro ultimates and stack crown.

zyk

Friendly fire is awesome for competitive play on private servers.

Friendly fire is usually insanely stupid on public servers.

ESO only has pubs.

The problems that would be created would be 1000x worse than any issues that exist with AEs at present.

Further, I don't think there's a problem with EOTS. Improve your mobility.

GrumpyDuckling

zyk wrote: »

Friendly fire is awesome for competitive play on private servers.

Friendly fire is usually insanely stupid on public servers.

ESO only has pubs.

The problems that would be created would be 1000x worse than any issues that exist with AEs at present.

Further, I don't think there's a problem with EOTS. Improve your mobility.

Here's the thing I don't get about comments like "Improve your mobility," or "L2P."

How does one counter the Nightblade combination of immovable + Lotus Fan + Destro Ultimate combination? No one goes into detail about how.

zyk

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

How does one counter the Nightblade combination of immovable + Lotus Fan + Destro Ultimate combination? No one goes into detail about how.

If it's one guy on you? If his eots is to be respected, he's probably squishy. If he's not squishy, you can probably heal through it. But away from that, sprint, mist, streak, defensive ult, etc..

If it's a group focusing you down with eots, how is that different than being focused down with any other ults?

If you're in a group being bombed by an eots group, spread out. They can't chase all of you and stick together.

TARAFRAKA

If this were implemented all people would do was get on the same faction as you and then come blow you up with their eye of the storm

GrumpyDuckling

zyk wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

How does one counter the Nightblade combination of immovable + Lotus Fan + Destro Ultimate combination? No one goes into detail about how.

If it's one guy on you? If his eots is to be respected, he's probably squishy. If he's not squishy, you can probably heal through it. But away from that, sprint, mist, streak, defensive ult, etc..

If it's a group focusing you down with eots, how is that different than being focused down with any other ults?

If you're in a group being bombed by an eots group, spread out. They can't chase all of you and stick together.

Most other ults can be blocked, dodged, interrupted, or run away from. Not many just follow the caster wherever they go while they spam gap closer.

Vapirko

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Why only aoe?

To put an end to bomb zergs I'd guess?

stealthyevil

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Not sure how familiar you are with Cyrodiil, but my group (usually 3 of us, total)

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

How does one counter the Nightblade combination of immovable + Lotus Fan + Destro Ultimate combination? No one goes into detail about how.

Here is what I am gathering from what you are telling me. There are three of you, who, after getting zerged down multiple times, keep going back expecting different results. The three of you cannot out heal, out shield or out maneuver five bomblades. Assuming every single one of them has a destro staff on their back bar, then if you have any damage at all, you will be able to kill them easily. You then ask for help on how to counter this, but why would anyone help you if you guys are an easy AP tick that keep coming back ?

I don't understand how this is anything other than a L2P issue.

Oh and btw, your suggestion is atrocious and will never be implemented.

Lore_lai

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Stacking up destro ultimates and spamming gap closers works against small groups too, ya know.

Not sure how familiar you are with Cyrodiil, but my group (usually 3 of us, total) likes to spend most of our time around Cropsford, Bruma, and Vlastarus. They used to be fun for small scale PVP but ever since flags were put in, towns have become destination points for zergs hoping to gain a tactical respawn area.

So no, most of the time we aren't standing in allied zergs, instead the enemy zergs come to us. We can defend the town against the first wave, but once multiple destro ultimates start stacking on one another, it's game over.

So what you're saying is - you used to go there pre-flag objectives time, and pick on nubie questers eh?

But, to stay on topic - I would only like it as mostly a game mode, but constant AoE FF - nah.
The stacked burst could be way too much so you'd have to get a bunch of blobbed up healers trying to keep everyone alive through all the chaos and more server calculations etc. etc.

Joy_Division

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

Friendly fire is awesome for competitive play on private servers.

Friendly fire is usually insanely stupid on public servers.

ESO only has pubs.

The problems that would be created would be 1000x worse than any issues that exist with AEs at present.

Further, I don't think there's a problem with EOTS. Improve your mobility.

Here's the thing I don't get about comments like "Improve your mobility," or "L2P."

How does one counter the Nightblade combination of immovable + Lotus Fan + Destro Ultimate combination? No one goes into detail about how.

I hate saying something is a L2P, but most players have figured out how not to die to EOTS months ago. It really isn't all that difficult no matter what class the caster is or what build they are running.

If it's just the NB in your scenario, and we'll assume it's a glass cannon bomb build, just ensure you are not next to a PuG who will proc Viscous Death. IF I am a magicka build, I will hit Vampire's mist and move away from the PuGs and then hit a damage shield. If I am a stam build, Blade Cloak is an option that already reduces AoE by 25%, just dodge (natural reaction) away from the PuGs and being your HoTs.

If it's just one NB ambush spamming me, that NB isn't going to do enough damage through my mist/heals/shields (if it does, you need more impen, more resist, more something). After the 7 seconds I just have a glass cannon NB with no ultimate and no potion available to contend with, which is an easy kill.

What makes EOTS dangerous is when it is used by a ball group that also drops negates, roots, and other AoE damage in conjunction with multiple EOTS. In that situation, you just have to move or you're pretty much dead. But ESO's "pain train" ball groups have always operated that way, going all the way back before EOTS, before 1 Tamriel, before the Champion system: they have always spammed many high damaging AoEs which players had to move away from.

Telel

Karm1cOne wrote: »

Some of the more vocal zone chat folks would be always ganked. Poor Telel.

Conversely Telel would make the bridge run red with EP alt wuss juice.

Drachenfier

I really, really wish ballista bolts did damage to all targets in the area. Would definitely cut down on the red circle spam.

Drummerx04

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

Friendly fire is awesome for competitive play on private servers.

Friendly fire is usually insanely stupid on public servers.

ESO only has pubs.

The problems that would be created would be 1000x worse than any issues that exist with AEs at present.

Further, I don't think there's a problem with EOTS. Improve your mobility.

Here's the thing I don't get about comments like "Improve your mobility," or "L2P."

How does one counter the Nightblade combination of immovable + Lotus Fan + Destro Ultimate combination? No one goes into detail about how.

Assuming it's just one or two, I pop my own immovable then shield+mist. It's pretty rare for several destro bomb blades to come after me simultaneously if I'm by myself or in a small group. I can push through an actively bombing Drac raid with 20k health and full light armor by using the appropriate combination of defensive skills.

The only time they are reliably able to kill me is in keep defenses with extreme lag. I can't get off the skills needed to survive, but the destro+proxy+sap+lotus+VD still nets kills.

You'd also be surprised how much roots mess up bombers. Encase/talons/crippling grasp would be good to use against them. Most players use some combination of character movement and crosshair movement to line up attacks like lotus, when you remove character movement, many will start bashing because they think they got CC'd and just haven't seen the knockdown yet.

Your saving grace is that destro doesn't last that long. In the towns, you should be able to LoS most of the enemy players, and if you can't, then do you really think you should be able to survive against and kill 20 people? Destro or not.

Danksta

This is a brilliant idea that would in no way get abused.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Danksta wrote: »

that would in no way get abused.

100% fact right here.

Also "extreme lag."