Velidreth vs Selene

Alcast

Comparison between Velidreth and Selene.
https://youtu.be/90l4zG1ZmMM
https://alcasthq.com/eso-selene-vs-velidreth-monster-set-elder-scrolls-online/
What do you think? Agree or disagree

Keep_Door

Im not going to watch it could i just get a TL;DW(to long didnt watch?

DRXHarbinger

Velidreth every single time. It procs way too easily. Bring back proc crits. If they made selene proc off rapids it's be a different case and it should proc off it but zos.

Asardes

How do those compare with Kra'gh single target?

LorDrek

Selene is good with master at arms. I use still kragh+venom serpent+red mountain on my stamdk. Very easy rotation, with good dps.

Dekeon

Great animation cancelling. Getting 40k DPS on target. Now...new players...this is what ZoS wants you to do...use a "feature" that isnt documented to "compete" DPS wise...Another reason this game never become WoW..

exeeter702

Dekeon wrote: »

Great animation cancelling. Getting 40k DPS on target. Now...new players...this is what ZoS wants you to do...use a "feature" that isnt documented to "compete" DPS wise...Another reason this game never become WoW..

Really... you were JUST educated on this subject in another thread.

SienneYviete

Dekeon wrote: »

Great animation cancelling. Getting 40k DPS on target. Now...new players...this is what ZoS wants you to do...use a "feature" that isnt documented to "compete" DPS wise...Another reason this game never become WoW..

Banana

Dekeon wrote: »

Great animation cancelling. Getting 40k DPS on target. Now...new players...this is what ZoS wants you to do...use a "feature" that isnt documented to "compete" DPS wise...Another reason this game never become WoW..

When your pings as pissed as mine ya dont bother even trying to do it

FearAndPatching

Veli for PVE hands down IMO. The fact that it's basically the same damage wise but can hit 2 additional targets than Selene should make it an easy discision. PVP yeah go Selene, get them proc's while they're hot!

KingYogi415

Dekeon wrote: »

Great animation cancelling. Getting 40k DPS on target. Now...new players...this is what ZoS wants you to do...use a "feature" that isn't documented to "compete" DPS wise...Another reason this game never become WoW..

Go play wow if that's what you want.

They have the market covered for fleeting complaining casuals.

In ESO most players enjoy the high skill cap!

GeorgeBlack

@Dekeon is right

Ignoring the fact that new players will never has as much CP as the others, new players don't know about:
CP Jumping points
Animation Cancelling
Which skills in combat make the most out of AC, and which skills not to dare use in PvP because they are not supported by AC.
How to hide heavy hits in gap closing
Hidden stats bonuses (gj on the number crunchers for gaining an advantage, but a solid game would not have such broken bonuses)
Soft capping
Max resource (Stam/mag) bonus dps
That you can't play as you want BUT BiS and meta.
Which addons give you a massive advantage in PvP (looking back at how many people have avoided my CCs at their blind point due to Miats makes me tilt, not to mention the way it used to affect sneaking)
The fact that some players have other such handicaps because they use private/unpublished addons.

/get educated
/git gud
/L2P

Combat education does not happen when fighting in the game. There is no experience gained. When you reach the point of "why do I suck" and start asking in forums/googling then you realize that there is so much that you don't know about the game that can only be found outside the game.
And then when you think that you L2P you get rekt again and then you go online again and you learn about what else is out there that you didn't know.

There is a massive gap between new players and seasoned players.
How many quit at:
Stage 1, I died in 2 seconds this is stupid I quit
Stage 2, I levelled up I got good gear still get rekt I quit
Stage 3, I levelled up I learned how to play after reading on the net I still got rekt I quit
Stage 4, I levelled up I learned how to play I pull 40k dps I know everything but the cheese builds still kill me for fun I quit
Stage 5, I am the Cyrodiil cancer, but this guy either macros or he has a private addon and ridicules me. I quit.

Personally I did quit at stage 3 back in winter 2015. There is just so much out there to know. And at the top of it after coming back I realize that people that build addons will always have the upper hand because the way the game is designed ZOS cannot keep checks and balances.

There are so many people here that as soon as the new mmo hits the town they will be gone.
The game needs to be improved. Forum trolling isn't helping.

I am not adding the ping factor in here because between 2 people of the same skill the one with the lowest ping will win and that is how things are.

Vaoh

KingYogi415 wrote: »

Dekeon wrote: »

Great animation cancelling. Getting 40k DPS on target. Now...new players...this is what ZoS wants you to do...use a "feature" that isn't documented to "compete" DPS wise...Another reason this game never become WoW..

Go play wow if that's what you want.

They have the market covered for fleeting complaining casuals.

In ESO most players enjoy the high skill cap!

I don't know how ESO compares to WoW in terms of skillcap, but please don't assert that ESO has a high skillcap in a thread about Velidreth vs. Selene's -_-
Both in PvP and PvE, the skillcap is very low compared to how it was even one year ago.

PvP went from unique builds+skill to one shot proc setups and Destro Ult trains.

PvE went from utilizing skillful light attack rotations to essentially being DoTs -> Heavy Attacks -> Repeat.

GeorgeBlack

Vaoh wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

Dekeon wrote: »

Great animation cancelling. Getting 40k DPS on target. Now...new players...this is what ZoS wants you to do...use a "feature" that isn't documented to "compete" DPS wise...Another reason this game never become WoW..

Go play wow if that's what you want.

They have the market covered for fleeting complaining casuals.

In ESO most players enjoy the high skill cap!

I don't know how ESO compares to WoW in terms of skillcap, but please don't assert that ESO has a high skillcap in a thread about Velidreth vs. Selene's -_-
Both in PvP and PvE, the skillcap is very low compared to how it was even one year ago.

PvP went from unique builds+skill to one shot proc setups and Destro Ult trains.

PvE went from utilizing skillful light attack rotations to essentially being DoTs -> Heavy Attacks -> Repeat.

I was gonna delete some of the said content but word for word it's spot on.

Vaoh: 1
KingForum415: -1

GreenSoup2HoT

Vaoh wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

Dekeon wrote: »

Great animation cancelling. Getting 40k DPS on target. Now...new players...this is what ZoS wants you to do...use a "feature" that isn't documented to "compete" DPS wise...Another reason this game never become WoW..

Go play wow if that's what you want.

They have the market covered for fleeting complaining casuals.

In ESO most players enjoy the high skill cap!

I don't know how ESO compares to WoW in terms of skillcap, but please don't assert that ESO has a high skillcap in a thread about Velidreth vs. Selene's -_-
Both in PvP and PvE, the skillcap is very low compared to how it was even one year ago.

PvP went from unique builds+skill to one shot proc setups and Destro Ult trains.

PvE went from utilizing skillful light attack rotations to essentially being DoTs -> Heavy Attacks -> Repeat.

Yeah even ganking is lame now. It used to be stacking everything into damage, no regen whatsoever. Positioning amd timing ment everything. Now you just slap on proc sets and your good to go. Hell you can have under 2k weapon damage with proc sets and still successfully gank someone with ease.

usmcjdking

@Alcast

I would almost always go Velidreth. Selene's barely outperforms on 1 target to the point of straight up RNG and underperforms on multi-target unless you are a stamplar jab spamming.

I still have a soft spot for Mephala's though. ZOS pls buff.

SienneYviete

usmcjdking wrote: »

@Alcast

I would almost always go Velidreth. Selene's barely outperforms on 1 target to the point of straight up RNG and underperforms on multi-target unless you are a stamplar jab spamming.

I still have a soft spot for Mephala's though. ZOS pls buff.

Agree on the mephala, best looking monster set proc in the game imo, even though it's outperformed by other sets I always find myself going back to it, a buff would be nice tho.

Asardes

SienneYviete wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

@Alcast

I would almost always go Velidreth. Selene's barely outperforms on 1 target to the point of straight up RNG and underperforms on multi-target unless you are a stamplar jab spamming.

I still have a soft spot for Mephala's though. ZOS pls buff.

Agree on the mephala, best looking monster set proc in the game imo, even though it's outperformed by other sets I always find myself going back to it, a buff would be nice tho.

It would certainly warrant a buff damage wise. Maybe change the health bonus to maximum stamina, weapon damage or weapon critical. The latter would also make it unique. It would work like a charm on stamina DK.

KingYogi415

Vaoh wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

Dekeon wrote: »

Great animation cancelling. Getting 40k DPS on target. Now...new players...this is what ZoS wants you to do...use a "feature" that isn't documented to "compete" DPS wise...Another reason this game never become WoW..

Go play wow if that's what you want.

They have the market covered for fleeting complaining casuals.

In ESO most players enjoy the high skill cap!

I don't know how ESO compares to WoW in terms of skillcap, but please don't assert that ESO has a high skillcap in a thread about Velidreth vs. Selene's -_-
Both in PvP and PvE, the skillcap is very low compared to how it was even one year ago.

PvP went from unique builds+skill to one shot proc setups and Destro Ult trains.

PvE went from utilizing skillful light attack rotations to essentially being DoTs -> Heavy Attacks -> Repeat.

@Vaoh

Anyone asking for ani canceling to be removed is asking for the skill cap to be lowered. It's short sided and if no1 stands up to these casual qq'ers, ZOS might listen to them and ruin the game.

Your personal gripe with procs does not mean this game takes any less skill. Throw on viper veil and go see if you can one shot anyone dueling outside a undaunted area. These proc sets are only great for picking on scrubs, all top players have adapted many months ago. (Tanky or they are running them as well)

I agree the skill cap is being lowered over time, (heavy attack meta) but compare to other top mmos which have things like macro creaters built into the game.

What non-shooter game has a higher skill cap then this one? For honor is the only one I can think of. And 2 months of that made me a much better player.

What I learned from for honor is to be good dueler you have to under stand the mechanics and rotations of all 10 specs. If you can't predict what burst combo is about to be used on you, and how to best counter it while managing you resources, you have no chance a beating a top pvp player 1v1.

I don't claim to be a pro at ani canceling or dueling. But I respect the skill it takes and work on my own.

Cheers!

GeorgeBlack

Without:
AC
Miats (old and current version)
Other unpublished addons at esoui
there wouldn't be 1v10 videos.
Eso is the only game in which a person rocks up against 10+ enemies and walks alive. After killing them all.

Show me one video from any mmorpg in which a player kills 10 people of his same lv more or less.

Getting good in eso combat has nothing to do with your ingame experience. All you need to do is google. No other game is like this.
Mastery at AC? Lol everyone can do it. Not every build benefits from it 100% like the cheese builds do. Keep admiring. Others laugh at our terribly designed combat.
And don't tell people go play that game if you don't like it here. You got no power in the internet forumite the grey

Moglijuana

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Without:
AC
Miats (old and current version)
Other unpublished addons at esoui
there wouldn't be 1v10 videos.
Eso is the only game in which a person rocks up against 10+ enemies and walks alive. After killing them all.

Show me one video from any mmorpg in which a player kills 10 people of his same lv more or less.

Getting good in eso combat has nothing to do with your ingame experience. All you need to do is google. No other game is like this.
Mastery at AC? Lol everyone can do it. Not every build benefits from it 100% like the cheese builds do. Keep admiring. Others laugh at our terribly designed combat.
And don't tell people go play that game if you don't like it here. You got no power in the internet forumite the grey

Silly PC player. Console has had no addons and everyone shares the same sh*tty ping & performance. Yet...there are so many 1vX videos...who would have thought?

As much as I would love to agree with the gear makes the player...I can't because of how many meta chasers get absolutely smashed every single day by players who know their class and build well balanced builds to compliment them.

KingYogi415

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Getting good in eso combat has nothing to do with your ingame experience. All you need to do is google. No other game is like this.

@GeorgeBlack
Wanna duel then? 100k a round anything goes. Bring your drain poisons and proc sets and see how well you do.

GeorgeBlack

KingYogi415 wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Getting good in eso combat has nothing to do with your ingame experience. All you need to do is google. No other game is like this.

@GeorgeBlack
Wanna duel then? 100k a round anything goes. Bring your drain poisons and proc sets and see how well you do.

Ye at 399-470 ping that is what I want to do. Make you the hero.
Proc sets? Poisons? What?

leepalmer95

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Without:
AC
Miats (old and current version)
Other unpublished addons at esoui
there wouldn't be 1v10 videos.
Eso is the only game in which a person rocks up against 10+ enemies and walks alive. After killing them all.

Show me one video from any mmorpg in which a player kills 10 people of his same lv more or less.

Getting good in eso combat has nothing to do with your ingame experience. All you need to do is google. No other game is like this.
Mastery at AC? Lol everyone can do it. Not every build benefits from it 100% like the cheese builds do. Keep admiring. Others laugh at our terribly designed combat.
And don't tell people go play that game if you don't like it here. You got no power in the internet forumite the grey

Your so salty about 1vX'ers or better players who have been playing longer.

KingYogi415

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Getting good in eso combat has nothing to do with your ingame experience. All you need to do is google. No other game is like this.

@GeorgeBlack
Wanna duel then? 100k a round anything goes. Bring your drain poisons and proc sets and see how well you do.

Ye at 399-470 ping that is what I want to do. Make you the hero.
Proc sets? Poisons? What?

So you don't pvp because of your internet, but you post on every thread just flaming the game and asking for everything to be nerfed?

Did I get that right?

GeorgeBlack

KingYogi415 wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Getting good in eso combat has nothing to do with your ingame experience. All you need to do is google. No other game is like this.

@GeorgeBlack
Wanna duel then? 100k a round anything goes. Bring your drain poisons and proc sets and see how well you do.

Ye at 399-470 ping that is what I want to do. Make you the hero.
Proc sets? Poisons? What?

So you don't pvp because of your internet, but you post on every thread just flaming the game and asking for everything to be nerfed?

Did I get that right?

So you belive that because of my CURRENT ping I cannot form an opinion about the games mechanics? Did I get it right?

leepalmer95

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Getting good in eso combat has nothing to do with your ingame experience. All you need to do is google. No other game is like this.

@GeorgeBlack
Wanna duel then? 100k a round anything goes. Bring your drain poisons and proc sets and see how well you do.

Ye at 399-470 ping that is what I want to do. Make you the hero.
Proc sets? Poisons? What?

So you don't pvp because of your internet, but you post on every thread just flaming the game and asking for everything to be nerfed?

Did I get that right?

So you belive that because of my CURRENT ping I cannot form an opinion about the games mechanics? Did I get it right?

Yes?

How can you comment on a game balance when you play it at such high ping you don't experience it properly.

I see why you hate animation cancelling now. Because of your ping right? So because your ping doesn't allow you to do it you decide to flame the forums about it and are basically beating a dead horse.

GeorgeBlack

What don't you get about CURRENT?
I was playing from EU back in 2015. Now my ping is higher.

leepalmer95

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

What don't you get about CURRENT?
I was playing from EU back in 2015. Now my ping is higher.

Wow 2015 and your still complaining about AC.

Thats a long time to hold a grudge and not learn something.

GeorgeBlack

@leepalmer95
It is obvious that you cannot participate in a logical conversation.
I was playing just fine until I moved.
Then I realized how broken this combat is because of AC. Other games that don't have a broken combat are playable by users with higher ping.
Any game:
A skilled player with normal ping will beat a skilled player with high ping.

In eso a skilled player with high ping doesn't know what the hell the skilled player with normal ping hit him with.


AC is easy to perform even with high ping.
It's not easy to play against with high ping.

Obviously you live in a cave troll. You don't get to understand different points of view. I do. And I can form unbiased opinions.

Here's a question to you... what's your problem with AC being removed? If you are a skilled player you should be able to adapt.
This is my ignore list. Welcome and goodbye

leepalmer95

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

@leepalmer95
It is obvious that you cannot participate in a logical conversation.
I was playing just fine until I moved.
Then I realized how broken this combat is because of AC. Other games that don't have a broken combat are playable by users with higher ping.
Any game:
A skilled player with normal ping will beat a skilled player with high ping.

In eso a skilled player with high ping doesn't know what the hell the skilled player with normal ping hit him with.


AC is easy to perform even with high ping.
It's not easy to play against with high ping.

Obviously you live in a cave troll. You don't get to understand different points of view. I do. And I can form unbiased opinions.

Here's a question to you... what's your problem with AC being removed? If you are a skilled player you should be able to adapt.
This is my ignore list. Welcome and goodbye

I don't want to already crappy combat eso has become now days to become even slower and more casual.

Any game:
A skilled player with normal ping will beat a skilled player with high ping.

Lies. If your have high ping your at a disadvantage no matter what game,=.