Let's talk about the elder scrolls lore in general (Spoilers)

Geroken777

Like, we got the god named 'Lorkhan' which i assume that a lot of you don't know about. He is the maker of Nirn, basically the worlds we got around us. Once he created our planets he got punished, killed by Akatosh and his heart was ought to be destructed, but instead it was kept. The heart was then used by Dagoth Ur, as sources of Evil. He wasn't able to keep it, and died. After that, the heart wasn't found.

Here are the images of the heart and Dagoth Ur:

Heart is what keeps Nirn alive, and here in the image it used as a power source.

Dagoth Ur using the heart, and in the back we have 'Lorkhan'

And so, more of Morrowind. The Vivec City was destroyed in 4E 5. It happened because meteorite 'Baar Du' fell into vivec city, destroying most of Morrowind. The Baar Du, the moon was thrown by Daedric Prince Sheogorath, and Vivec held it with his powers for many years. I mean, i dont understand why he didnt just put it gently on the ground or something... Through years, Vivec disappeared. (For the next part of the story i am not sure, i haven't read the book itself) Umbriel, a flying city came across Vivec which was used to escape Oblivion, created by a Dunmer named 'Vuhon'. The creator of the city has made a technology that would hold the Baar Du, but it worked on souls, so a sacrifice happened every now and then. Once a woman was chosen, and his husband wouldn't allow her to be sacrificed and try to rescue. This caused for the machine to break, and Baar Du eventually fell onto Vivec city and stroke whole Morrowind. Later on, because of the crash, Red Mountain has erupted, and it's aftershocks could be felt in Skyrim and other various Empires and Countries. As Morrowind collapsed, Argonians broke out a war on Dunmbers, since they were enslaved in previous centuries. They took every chance possible, and took the habitable parts left of Morrowind. The Dunmer refuged into Skyrim, and Skyrim left a part specially for Dunmbers.
Here are some images:

The flying city, and it's book. This can be bought through Bethesda's merch.

Parts of Morrowind, after the eruption.

Our normal plains of Tamriel, was actually a second Oblivion owned by Mehrunes Dagon according to some sources in games. But it is not confirmed, So during the morrowind game, Mehrunes was not destroying Tamriel, but trying to get back what he owned in the past.

Feels sad what happened to Morrowind and to know it's future after spending hell a lot of time in it... I blame Vivec for not putting the moon gently down onto island of Morrowind.

WE NEED MORE LORES!
P.S Put your lore you know in the comments!

Enodoc

Lorkhan didn't "make Nirn". He tricked a load of the other gods into making Nirn but played basically no part in it himself. The true maker of Nirn was Magnus, who designed the whole thing, as well as the Divines, who gave their power to Nirn to give it structure and form, and the Ehlnofey, who became the laws of nature.

Akatosh killed Lorkhan by ripping his heart out; whether the heart should have been destroyed or not is irrelevant, as destroying it would be impossible. It certainly wasn't kept though - Akatosh fired it right across Tamriel, from one side to the other. Some blood fell out and landed in an Ayleid magicka well, where it fused to become the Red Diamond of Chim-el Adabal. Meanwhile, the heart landed on the east coast, and where it fell, a great volcano formed. It remained undiscovered until the Dwemer found it, and began experimenting on it. Their experiments resulted in the entire Dwemer race disappearing. Voryn Dagoth and the Tribunal then used the Dwemer's tools to make themselves gods.

In the back of that picture of Dagoth Ur is Akulakhan, not Lorkhan.

Vivec held Baar Dau in place rather than putting it down as a display of his power, and to keep the city hostage. If they ever stopped loving him, he would let the meteorite fall and destroy the city. When the Nerevarine broke the enchantments on the Heart of Lorkhan, both Dagoth Ur and Vivec lost their power. The Nerevarine killed Dagoth Ur, and without the power to hold up Baar Dau any more, Vivec disappeared.

After Vuhon's Ingenium was destroyed, Baar Dau fell and destroyed the city and much of the Ascadian Isles, but the rest of Morrowind was largely unaffected, and certainly not destroyed. You can see the impact crater created by Baar Dau, and that area is now called Scathing Bay. The fall of Baar Dau did trigger an eruption of Red Mountain however, and that did destroy much of Vvardenfell. The aftershocks from the eruption caused the collapse of the clifftop Skyrim city of Winterhold, as well as flooding and earthquakes in Mainland Morrowind. The Argonians used the chaos caused by the eruption to invade Morrowind.

The theory that Tamriel is another plane of Oblivion is largely considered to be Mythic Dawn propaganda. Given the knowledge of how Nirn was created by Magnus and the Divines, and how the Planes of Oblivion came into existence specifically as a part of the Daedric Princes who by definition did not partake in the creation of Nirn, there is no logical conclusion for how Tamriel can be a plane of Oblivion.

Malacthulhu

Could it be argued that the planemeld created multiple versions of tamriel with different timelines and different outcomes on events. This would open up more creative control for the game.

Enodoc

Malacthulhu wrote: »

Could it be argued that the planemeld created multiple versions of tamriel with different timelines and different outcomes on events. This would open up more creative control for the game.

I don't think so. Any time multiple timelines happen, some Metaphysical Event has occurred which affects Akatosh, and eventually some other Metaphysical Event occurs which consolidates all the different timelines back together again.

Malacthulhu

Enodoc wrote: »

Malacthulhu wrote: »

Could it be argued that the planemeld created multiple versions of tamriel with different timelines and different outcomes on events. This would open up more creative control for the game.

I don't think so. Any time multiple timelines happen, some Metaphysical Event has occurred which affects Akatosh, and eventually some other Metaphysical Event occurs which consolidates all the different timelines back together again.

I wanted to argue that, but it makes sense lol.

Magdalina

Enodoc wrote: »

Lorkhan didn't "make Nirn". He tricked a load of the other gods into making Nirn but played basically no part in it himself. The true maker of Nirn was Magnus, who designed the whole thing, as well as the Divines, who gave their power to Nirn to give it structure and form, and the Ehlnofey, who became the laws of nature.

Akatosh killed Lorkhan by ripping his heart out.

This part has always confused me(well "always"...admittedly I don't know the lore so well). So basically, the beings that people of Tamriel worship as their gods, the Divines, never actually wanted these people to exist? But the one being that did cause the creation of the world(even if it was through treachery) has been killed for it(...how is it actually possible to kill a god?) and all but forgotten? That...doesn't seem right somehow.

TheNuminous1

Magdalina wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Lorkhan didn't "make Nirn". He tricked a load of the other gods into making Nirn but played basically no part in it himself. The true maker of Nirn was Magnus, who designed the whole thing, as well as the Divines, who gave their power to Nirn to give it structure and form, and the Ehlnofey, who became the laws of nature.

Akatosh killed Lorkhan by ripping his heart out.

This part has always confused me(well "always"...admittedly I don't know the lore so well). So basically, the beings that people of Tamriel worship as their gods, the Divines, never actually wanted these people to exist? But the one being that did cause the creation of the world(even if it was through treachery) has been killed for it(...how is it actually possible to kill a god?) and all but forgotten? That...doesn't seem right somehow.

Its kinda to complicated for my sleep deprived stoned mind to put to words right this min but its like a two sided thing.

Races of man see what lorkhan did as a good thing. And the races of mer see it as a bad thing.

Like creating nirn created man which is good for them I guess.

But creating the mundus cause the gods to rip asunder their divinity and become the earthbones. (Time space life) and in doing so they kinda "died" and the elves fell from divinity sort of (not that they remember so well now)

So the creation of the nedic races caused mer to lose oneness and immortality in the aether.

victoriana-blue

Magdalina wrote: »

This part has always confused me(well "always"...admittedly I don't know the lore so well). So basically, the beings that people of Tamriel worship as their gods, the Divines, never actually wanted these people to exist? But the one being that did cause the creation of the world(even if it was through treachery) has been killed for it(...how is it actually possible to kill a god?) and all but forgotten? That...doesn't seem right somehow.

It's confusing because the Eight Divines both are and are not the same as the entities that created Mundus.

Altmer see the end of the Dawn Era as an apocalypse; the Aedra were tricked into the creation of Mundus but they love their mortal children all the same - so much so that Auri-El showed the Aldmer how to escape/transcend Mundus. (Kind of like parents of an unplanned but loved child. ) The 4E Thalmor think they're living in a Bad End, and that Talos/Tiber Septim/the Ninth Divine is a reflection of Lorkhan - the person/entity responsible for that apocalypse. (ESO is in 2E, Talos hasn't been incorporated yet.) On the other hand, most human races think Lorkhan persuaded the Aedra to create Mundus and sacrificed himself willingly to the task; the end of the Dawn Era was the beginning of a Good World, and that Akatosh/etc were willing participants. Up until Skyrim's time period, humans and mer in the Empire simply, mostly didn't talk about the differences.

Then we have the Alessian Rebellion and its immediate aftermath. All the races of Nirn had their own pantheons and mythic origin stories, and ("Saint") Alessia needed to prevent a religious schism from tearing apart her new Empire. So instead of picking one pantheon or another as the state religion, she declared that the gods of the Ayleids and the Nords were actually different versions of the same things - Akatosh is the same as Auri-el (is the same as Alkosh, and Ruptga, and and and...). (UESP has a handy chart.)

Obviously something agreed, because we have tangible evidence in-game that something/SomeOne named Akatosh formed a Covenant that protected Tamriel/Nirn from Oblivion, and which when broken resulted in the Planemeld and the Oblivion Crisis. So the merging worked and the Empire didn't completely destroy itself in religious wars, yay! That said, I've never seen any definitive or objective-within-the-world proof that the Aedra of the pantheons and the Aedra of the Empire are (or are not) the exact same entities/existences, or whether they're eternally the same or subject to Divine character development.

Meanwhile Argonians are from the Hist, which says it/they is from before Nirn entirely. XD

(Someday I want to shake the hand of the person/people who set up this part of the lore - there are a lot of irl examples of this kind of blending, least of all the Roman Empire: eg Romans saying "Ceres is Demeter is Isis, we can all worship the same gods!," while the source cultures retain their own "Isis is only Isis, ffs.")

/geeking

Zalicius

Enodoc wrote: »

Lorkhan didn't "make Nirn". He tricked a load of the other gods into making Nirn but played basically no part in it himself. The true maker of Nirn was Magnus, who designed the whole thing, as well as the Divines, who gave their power to Nirn to give it structure and form, and the Ehlnofey, who became the laws of nature.

Akatosh killed Lorkhan by ripping his heart out; whether the heart should have been destroyed or not is irrelevant, as destroying it would be impossible. It certainly wasn't kept though - Akatosh fired it right across Tamriel, from one side to the other. Some blood fell out and landed in an Ayleid magicka well, where it fused to become the Red Diamond of Chim-el Adabal. Meanwhile, the heart landed on the east coast, and where it fell, a great volcano formed. It remained undiscovered until the Dwemer found it, and began experimenting on it. Their experiments resulted in the entire Dwemer race disappearing. Voryn Dagoth and the Tribunal then used the Dwemer's tools to make themselves gods.

In the back of that picture of Dagoth Ur is Akulakhan, not Lorkhan.

Vivec held Baar Dau in place rather than putting it down as a display of his power, and to keep the city hostage. If they ever stopped loving him, he would let the meteorite fall and destroy the city. When the Nerevarine broke the enchantments on the Heart of Lorkhan, both Dagoth Ur and Vivec lost their power. The Nerevarine killed Dagoth Ur, and without the power to hold up Baar Dau any more, Vivec disappeared.

After Vuhon's Ingenium was destroyed, Baar Dau fell and destroyed the city and much of the Ascadian Isles, but the rest of Morrowind was largely unaffected, and certainly not destroyed. You can see the impact crater created by Baar Dau, and that area is now called Scathing Bay. The fall of Baar Dau did trigger an eruption of Red Mountain however, and that did destroy much of Vvardenfell. The aftershocks from the eruption caused the collapse of the clifftop Skyrim city of Winterhold, as well as flooding and earthquakes in Mainland Morrowind. The Argonians used the chaos caused by the eruption to invade Morrowind.

The theory that Tamriel is another plane of Oblivion is largely considered to be Mythic Dawn propaganda. Given the knowledge of how Nirn was created by Magnus and the Divines, and how the Planes of Oblivion came into existence specifically as a part of the Daedric Princes who by definition did not partake in the creation of Nirn, there is no logical conclusion for how Tamriel can be a plane of Oblivion.

Nice read. You seem to know your stuff! Do you know, or can you point me towards any good lore regarding the other continent on Nirn - Akavir?

Enodoc

Zalicius wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Lorkhan didn't "make Nirn". He tricked a load of the other gods into making Nirn but played basically no part in it himself. The true maker of Nirn was Magnus, who designed the whole thing, as well as the Divines, who gave their power to Nirn to give it structure and form, and the Ehlnofey, who became the laws of nature.

Akatosh killed Lorkhan by ripping his heart out; whether the heart should have been destroyed or not is irrelevant, as destroying it would be impossible. It certainly wasn't kept though - Akatosh fired it right across Tamriel, from one side to the other. Some blood fell out and landed in an Ayleid magicka well, where it fused to become the Red Diamond of Chim-el Adabal. Meanwhile, the heart landed on the east coast, and where it fell, a great volcano formed. It remained undiscovered until the Dwemer found it, and began experimenting on it. Their experiments resulted in the entire Dwemer race disappearing. Voryn Dagoth and the Tribunal then used the Dwemer's tools to make themselves gods.

In the back of that picture of Dagoth Ur is Akulakhan, not Lorkhan.

Vivec held Baar Dau in place rather than putting it down as a display of his power, and to keep the city hostage. If they ever stopped loving him, he would let the meteorite fall and destroy the city. When the Nerevarine broke the enchantments on the Heart of Lorkhan, both Dagoth Ur and Vivec lost their power. The Nerevarine killed Dagoth Ur, and without the power to hold up Baar Dau any more, Vivec disappeared.

After Vuhon's Ingenium was destroyed, Baar Dau fell and destroyed the city and much of the Ascadian Isles, but the rest of Morrowind was largely unaffected, and certainly not destroyed. You can see the impact crater created by Baar Dau, and that area is now called Scathing Bay. The fall of Baar Dau did trigger an eruption of Red Mountain however, and that did destroy much of Vvardenfell. The aftershocks from the eruption caused the collapse of the clifftop Skyrim city of Winterhold, as well as flooding and earthquakes in Mainland Morrowind. The Argonians used the chaos caused by the eruption to invade Morrowind.

The theory that Tamriel is another plane of Oblivion is largely considered to be Mythic Dawn propaganda. Given the knowledge of how Nirn was created by Magnus and the Divines, and how the Planes of Oblivion came into existence specifically as a part of the Daedric Princes who by definition did not partake in the creation of Nirn, there is no logical conclusion for how Tamriel can be a plane of Oblivion.

Nice read. You seem to know your stuff! Do you know, or can you point me towards any good lore regarding the other continent on Nirn - Akavir?

Akavir's not so easy. There is a reason the primary book on the subject is called Mysterious Akavir. But the main things that we know about them is that they are the origin of the Dragonguard, the progenitors of the Akaviri Potentate, and the homeland of the people who formed the Syffim, which became the Fighters Guild. And they did their fair share of invading Tamriel. More here: http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Akavir

Zalicius

Enodoc wrote: »

Zalicius wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Lorkhan didn't "make Nirn". He tricked a load of the other gods into making Nirn but played basically no part in it himself. The true maker of Nirn was Magnus, who designed the whole thing, as well as the Divines, who gave their power to Nirn to give it structure and form, and the Ehlnofey, who became the laws of nature.

Akatosh killed Lorkhan by ripping his heart out; whether the heart should have been destroyed or not is irrelevant, as destroying it would be impossible. It certainly wasn't kept though - Akatosh fired it right across Tamriel, from one side to the other. Some blood fell out and landed in an Ayleid magicka well, where it fused to become the Red Diamond of Chim-el Adabal. Meanwhile, the heart landed on the east coast, and where it fell, a great volcano formed. It remained undiscovered until the Dwemer found it, and began experimenting on it. Their experiments resulted in the entire Dwemer race disappearing. Voryn Dagoth and the Tribunal then used the Dwemer's tools to make themselves gods.

In the back of that picture of Dagoth Ur is Akulakhan, not Lorkhan.

Vivec held Baar Dau in place rather than putting it down as a display of his power, and to keep the city hostage. If they ever stopped loving him, he would let the meteorite fall and destroy the city. When the Nerevarine broke the enchantments on the Heart of Lorkhan, both Dagoth Ur and Vivec lost their power. The Nerevarine killed Dagoth Ur, and without the power to hold up Baar Dau any more, Vivec disappeared.

After Vuhon's Ingenium was destroyed, Baar Dau fell and destroyed the city and much of the Ascadian Isles, but the rest of Morrowind was largely unaffected, and certainly not destroyed. You can see the impact crater created by Baar Dau, and that area is now called Scathing Bay. The fall of Baar Dau did trigger an eruption of Red Mountain however, and that did destroy much of Vvardenfell. The aftershocks from the eruption caused the collapse of the clifftop Skyrim city of Winterhold, as well as flooding and earthquakes in Mainland Morrowind. The Argonians used the chaos caused by the eruption to invade Morrowind.

The theory that Tamriel is another plane of Oblivion is largely considered to be Mythic Dawn propaganda. Given the knowledge of how Nirn was created by Magnus and the Divines, and how the Planes of Oblivion came into existence specifically as a part of the Daedric Princes who by definition did not partake in the creation of Nirn, there is no logical conclusion for how Tamriel can be a plane of Oblivion.

Nice read. You seem to know your stuff! Do you know, or can you point me towards any good lore regarding the other continent on Nirn - Akavir?

Akavir's not so easy. There is a reason the primary book on the subject is called Mysterious Akavir. But the main things that we know about them is that they are the origin of the Dragonguard, the progenitors of the Akaviri Potentate, and the homeland of the people who formed the Syffim, which became the Fighters Guild. And they did their fair share of invading Tamriel. More here: http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Akavir

Thanks! Will check it out!

Hopefully, we will see it magically appear on the map one day. If that ever happens you just know the hype will go through the roof! lol

Everyone will be like:

TheNuminous1

Zalicius wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Lorkhan didn't "make Nirn". He tricked a load of the other gods into making Nirn but played basically no part in it himself. The true maker of Nirn was Magnus, who designed the whole thing, as well as the Divines, who gave their power to Nirn to give it structure and form, and the Ehlnofey, who became the laws of nature.

Akatosh killed Lorkhan by ripping his heart out; whether the heart should have been destroyed or not is irrelevant, as destroying it would be impossible. It certainly wasn't kept though - Akatosh fired it right across Tamriel, from one side to the other. Some blood fell out and landed in an Ayleid magicka well, where it fused to become the Red Diamond of Chim-el Adabal. Meanwhile, the heart landed on the east coast, and where it fell, a great volcano formed. It remained undiscovered until the Dwemer found it, and began experimenting on it. Their experiments resulted in the entire Dwemer race disappearing. Voryn Dagoth and the Tribunal then used the Dwemer's tools to make themselves gods.

In the back of that picture of Dagoth Ur is Akulakhan, not Lorkhan.

Vivec held Baar Dau in place rather than putting it down as a display of his power, and to keep the city hostage. If they ever stopped loving him, he would let the meteorite fall and destroy the city. When the Nerevarine broke the enchantments on the Heart of Lorkhan, both Dagoth Ur and Vivec lost their power. The Nerevarine killed Dagoth Ur, and without the power to hold up Baar Dau any more, Vivec disappeared.

After Vuhon's Ingenium was destroyed, Baar Dau fell and destroyed the city and much of the Ascadian Isles, but the rest of Morrowind was largely unaffected, and certainly not destroyed. You can see the impact crater created by Baar Dau, and that area is now called Scathing Bay. The fall of Baar Dau did trigger an eruption of Red Mountain however, and that did destroy much of Vvardenfell. The aftershocks from the eruption caused the collapse of the clifftop Skyrim city of Winterhold, as well as flooding and earthquakes in Mainland Morrowind. The Argonians used the chaos caused by the eruption to invade Morrowind.

The theory that Tamriel is another plane of Oblivion is largely considered to be Mythic Dawn propaganda. Given the knowledge of how Nirn was created by Magnus and the Divines, and how the Planes of Oblivion came into existence specifically as a part of the Daedric Princes who by definition did not partake in the creation of Nirn, there is no logical conclusion for how Tamriel can be a plane of Oblivion.

Nice read. You seem to know your stuff! Do you know, or can you point me towards any good lore regarding the other continent on Nirn - Akavir?

There is also another island continent pyeandonea. As well as thras. And yokuda which sunk and aldmeris which may or may not have been a physical place. And I'm sure there is other places on nirn we may not have even heard of.

Zalicius

TheNuminous1 wrote: »

Zalicius wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Lorkhan didn't "make Nirn". He tricked a load of the other gods into making Nirn but played basically no part in it himself. The true maker of Nirn was Magnus, who designed the whole thing, as well as the Divines, who gave their power to Nirn to give it structure and form, and the Ehlnofey, who became the laws of nature.

Akatosh killed Lorkhan by ripping his heart out; whether the heart should have been destroyed or not is irrelevant, as destroying it would be impossible. It certainly wasn't kept though - Akatosh fired it right across Tamriel, from one side to the other. Some blood fell out and landed in an Ayleid magicka well, where it fused to become the Red Diamond of Chim-el Adabal. Meanwhile, the heart landed on the east coast, and where it fell, a great volcano formed. It remained undiscovered until the Dwemer found it, and began experimenting on it. Their experiments resulted in the entire Dwemer race disappearing. Voryn Dagoth and the Tribunal then used the Dwemer's tools to make themselves gods.

In the back of that picture of Dagoth Ur is Akulakhan, not Lorkhan.

Vivec held Baar Dau in place rather than putting it down as a display of his power, and to keep the city hostage. If they ever stopped loving him, he would let the meteorite fall and destroy the city. When the Nerevarine broke the enchantments on the Heart of Lorkhan, both Dagoth Ur and Vivec lost their power. The Nerevarine killed Dagoth Ur, and without the power to hold up Baar Dau any more, Vivec disappeared.

After Vuhon's Ingenium was destroyed, Baar Dau fell and destroyed the city and much of the Ascadian Isles, but the rest of Morrowind was largely unaffected, and certainly not destroyed. You can see the impact crater created by Baar Dau, and that area is now called Scathing Bay. The fall of Baar Dau did trigger an eruption of Red Mountain however, and that did destroy much of Vvardenfell. The aftershocks from the eruption caused the collapse of the clifftop Skyrim city of Winterhold, as well as flooding and earthquakes in Mainland Morrowind. The Argonians used the chaos caused by the eruption to invade Morrowind.

The theory that Tamriel is another plane of Oblivion is largely considered to be Mythic Dawn propaganda. Given the knowledge of how Nirn was created by Magnus and the Divines, and how the Planes of Oblivion came into existence specifically as a part of the Daedric Princes who by definition did not partake in the creation of Nirn, there is no logical conclusion for how Tamriel can be a plane of Oblivion.

Nice read. You seem to know your stuff! Do you know, or can you point me towards any good lore regarding the other continent on Nirn - Akavir?

There is also another island continent pyeandonea. As well as thras. And yokuda which sunk and aldmeris which may or may not have been a physical place. And I'm sure there is other places on nirn we may not have even heard of.

Yeah, I found a map:



Not sure how accurate it is but I see there are all sorts of land masses not pictured on the ESO game map.

Korah_Eaglecry

Enodoc wrote: »

Lorkhan didn't "make Nirn". He tricked a load of the other gods into making Nirn but played basically no part in it himself. The true maker of Nirn was Magnus, who designed the whole thing, as well as the Divines, who gave their power to Nirn to give it structure and form, and the Ehlnofey, who became the laws of nature.

Akatosh killed Lorkhan by ripping his heart out; whether the heart should have been destroyed or not is irrelevant, as destroying it would be impossible. It certainly wasn't kept though - Akatosh fired it right across Tamriel, from one side to the other. Some blood fell out and landed in an Ayleid magicka well, where it fused to become the Red Diamond of Chim-el Adabal. Meanwhile, the heart landed on the east coast, and where it fell, a great volcano formed. It remained undiscovered until the Dwemer found it, and began experimenting on it. Their experiments resulted in the entire Dwemer race disappearing. Voryn Dagoth and the Tribunal then used the Dwemer's tools to make themselves gods.

In the back of that picture of Dagoth Ur is Akulakhan, not Lorkhan.

Vivec held Baar Dau in place rather than putting it down as a display of his power, and to keep the city hostage. If they ever stopped loving him, he would let the meteorite fall and destroy the city. When the Nerevarine broke the enchantments on the Heart of Lorkhan, both Dagoth Ur and Vivec lost their power. The Nerevarine killed Dagoth Ur, and without the power to hold up Baar Dau any more, Vivec disappeared.

After Vuhon's Ingenium was destroyed, Baar Dau fell and destroyed the city and much of the Ascadian Isles, but the rest of Morrowind was largely unaffected, and certainly not destroyed. You can see the impact crater created by Baar Dau, and that area is now called Scathing Bay. The fall of Baar Dau did trigger an eruption of Red Mountain however, and that did destroy much of Vvardenfell. The aftershocks from the eruption caused the collapse of the clifftop Skyrim city of Winterhold, as well as flooding and earthquakes in Mainland Morrowind. The Argonians used the chaos caused by the eruption to invade Morrowind.

The theory that Tamriel is another plane of Oblivion is largely considered to be Mythic Dawn propaganda. Given the knowledge of how Nirn was created by Magnus and the Divines, and how the Planes of Oblivion came into existence specifically as a part of the Daedric Princes who by definition did not partake in the creation of Nirn, there is no logical conclusion for how Tamriel can be a plane of Oblivion.

Lorkhan is not dead. You cant kill a god. He is inactive though....at least thats the best way I can explain it. Removing his heart from his body is like pulling the batteries out of a toy. The toys not broken....its just not powered.

IwakuraLain42

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Lorkhan didn't "make Nirn". He tricked a load of the other gods into making Nirn but played basically no part in it himself. The true maker of Nirn was Magnus, who designed the whole thing, as well as the Divines, who gave their power to Nirn to give it structure and form, and the Ehlnofey, who became the laws of nature.

Akatosh killed Lorkhan by ripping his heart out; whether the heart should have been destroyed or not is irrelevant, as destroying it would be impossible. It certainly wasn't kept though - Akatosh fired it right across Tamriel, from one side to the other. Some blood fell out and landed in an Ayleid magicka well, where it fused to become the Red Diamond of Chim-el Adabal. Meanwhile, the heart landed on the east coast, and where it fell, a great volcano formed. It remained undiscovered until the Dwemer found it, and began experimenting on it. Their experiments resulted in the entire Dwemer race disappearing. Voryn Dagoth and the Tribunal then used the Dwemer's tools to make themselves gods.

In the back of that picture of Dagoth Ur is Akulakhan, not Lorkhan.

Vivec held Baar Dau in place rather than putting it down as a display of his power, and to keep the city hostage. If they ever stopped loving him, he would let the meteorite fall and destroy the city. When the Nerevarine broke the enchantments on the Heart of Lorkhan, both Dagoth Ur and Vivec lost their power. The Nerevarine killed Dagoth Ur, and without the power to hold up Baar Dau any more, Vivec disappeared.

After Vuhon's Ingenium was destroyed, Baar Dau fell and destroyed the city and much of the Ascadian Isles, but the rest of Morrowind was largely unaffected, and certainly not destroyed. You can see the impact crater created by Baar Dau, and that area is now called Scathing Bay. The fall of Baar Dau did trigger an eruption of Red Mountain however, and that did destroy much of Vvardenfell. The aftershocks from the eruption caused the collapse of the clifftop Skyrim city of Winterhold, as well as flooding and earthquakes in Mainland Morrowind. The Argonians used the chaos caused by the eruption to invade Morrowind.

The theory that Tamriel is another plane of Oblivion is largely considered to be Mythic Dawn propaganda. Given the knowledge of how Nirn was created by Magnus and the Divines, and how the Planes of Oblivion came into existence specifically as a part of the Daedric Princes who by definition did not partake in the creation of Nirn, there is no logical conclusion for how Tamriel can be a plane of Oblivion.

Lorkhan is not dead. You cant kill a god. He is inactive though....at least thats the best way I can explain it. Removing his heart from his body is like pulling the batteries out of a toy. The toys not broken....its just not powered.

And having his soul shredded into pieces (Shezarrine's) and placed onto the mortal plane doesn't help either. If I remember TES3 lore correctly there was a very short moment at the end of that game when Lorkhan was reconstituted, only to shred apart again.

thawks

Zalicius wrote: »

Yeah, I found a map:



Not sure how accurate it is but I see there are all sorts of land masses not pictured on the ESO game map.

The only land masses that have ever been shown on maps are Tamriel and the remnants of Yokuda. The rest is made up.

Skeletalkk

Are we forgetting Anu and Padomay? Who fought over Nir's love, Nir loved Anu and they had a child (aka Creation) Padomay was angry and killed Nir and creation, while Anu was able to salvage some parts of creation he and Padomay fought and Anu pulled them both out of Time. Anu slept in the sun and achieved Amaranth.

Anu personifies stasis while Padomay personifies chaos. Anu's soul birthed Anui-el, Padomay's blood created Sithis who created Lorkhan. Both of their blood mingled to create the Aedra.

Jitterbug

Enodoc wrote: »

Zalicius wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Lorkhan didn't "make Nirn". He tricked a load of the other gods into making Nirn but played basically no part in it himself. The true maker of Nirn was Magnus, who designed the whole thing, as well as the Divines, who gave their power to Nirn to give it structure and form, and the Ehlnofey, who became the laws of nature.

Akatosh killed Lorkhan by ripping his heart out; whether the heart should have been destroyed or not is irrelevant, as destroying it would be impossible. It certainly wasn't kept though - Akatosh fired it right across Tamriel, from one side to the other. Some blood fell out and landed in an Ayleid magicka well, where it fused to become the Red Diamond of Chim-el Adabal. Meanwhile, the heart landed on the east coast, and where it fell, a great volcano formed. It remained undiscovered until the Dwemer found it, and began experimenting on it. Their experiments resulted in the entire Dwemer race disappearing. Voryn Dagoth and the Tribunal then used the Dwemer's tools to make themselves gods.

In the back of that picture of Dagoth Ur is Akulakhan, not Lorkhan.

Vivec held Baar Dau in place rather than putting it down as a display of his power, and to keep the city hostage. If they ever stopped loving him, he would let the meteorite fall and destroy the city. When the Nerevarine broke the enchantments on the Heart of Lorkhan, both Dagoth Ur and Vivec lost their power. The Nerevarine killed Dagoth Ur, and without the power to hold up Baar Dau any more, Vivec disappeared.

After Vuhon's Ingenium was destroyed, Baar Dau fell and destroyed the city and much of the Ascadian Isles, but the rest of Morrowind was largely unaffected, and certainly not destroyed. You can see the impact crater created by Baar Dau, and that area is now called Scathing Bay. The fall of Baar Dau did trigger an eruption of Red Mountain however, and that did destroy much of Vvardenfell. The aftershocks from the eruption caused the collapse of the clifftop Skyrim city of Winterhold, as well as flooding and earthquakes in Mainland Morrowind. The Argonians used the chaos caused by the eruption to invade Morrowind.

The theory that Tamriel is another plane of Oblivion is largely considered to be Mythic Dawn propaganda. Given the knowledge of how Nirn was created by Magnus and the Divines, and how the Planes of Oblivion came into existence specifically as a part of the Daedric Princes who by definition did not partake in the creation of Nirn, there is no logical conclusion for how Tamriel can be a plane of Oblivion.

Nice read. You seem to know your stuff! Do you know, or can you point me towards any good lore regarding the other continent on Nirn - Akavir?

Akavir's not so easy. There is a reason the primary book on the subject is called Mysterious Akavir. But the main things that we know about them is that they are the origin of the Dragonguard, the progenitors of the Akaviri Potentate, and the homeland of the people who formed the Syffim, which became the Fighters Guild. And they did their fair share of invading Tamriel. More here: http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Akavir

And snakelike vampiric battle-mages! Or not...

Enodoc

Zalicius wrote: »

TheNuminous1 wrote: »

Zalicius wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Lorkhan didn't "make Nirn". He tricked a load of the other gods into making Nirn but played basically no part in it himself. The true maker of Nirn was Magnus, who designed the whole thing, as well as the Divines, who gave their power to Nirn to give it structure and form, and the Ehlnofey, who became the laws of nature.

Akatosh killed Lorkhan by ripping his heart out; whether the heart should have been destroyed or not is irrelevant, as destroying it would be impossible. It certainly wasn't kept though - Akatosh fired it right across Tamriel, from one side to the other. Some blood fell out and landed in an Ayleid magicka well, where it fused to become the Red Diamond of Chim-el Adabal. Meanwhile, the heart landed on the east coast, and where it fell, a great volcano formed. It remained undiscovered until the Dwemer found it, and began experimenting on it. Their experiments resulted in the entire Dwemer race disappearing. Voryn Dagoth and the Tribunal then used the Dwemer's tools to make themselves gods.

In the back of that picture of Dagoth Ur is Akulakhan, not Lorkhan.

Vivec held Baar Dau in place rather than putting it down as a display of his power, and to keep the city hostage. If they ever stopped loving him, he would let the meteorite fall and destroy the city. When the Nerevarine broke the enchantments on the Heart of Lorkhan, both Dagoth Ur and Vivec lost their power. The Nerevarine killed Dagoth Ur, and without the power to hold up Baar Dau any more, Vivec disappeared.

After Vuhon's Ingenium was destroyed, Baar Dau fell and destroyed the city and much of the Ascadian Isles, but the rest of Morrowind was largely unaffected, and certainly not destroyed. You can see the impact crater created by Baar Dau, and that area is now called Scathing Bay. The fall of Baar Dau did trigger an eruption of Red Mountain however, and that did destroy much of Vvardenfell. The aftershocks from the eruption caused the collapse of the clifftop Skyrim city of Winterhold, as well as flooding and earthquakes in Mainland Morrowind. The Argonians used the chaos caused by the eruption to invade Morrowind.

The theory that Tamriel is another plane of Oblivion is largely considered to be Mythic Dawn propaganda. Given the knowledge of how Nirn was created by Magnus and the Divines, and how the Planes of Oblivion came into existence specifically as a part of the Daedric Princes who by definition did not partake in the creation of Nirn, there is no logical conclusion for how Tamriel can be a plane of Oblivion.

Nice read. You seem to know your stuff! Do you know, or can you point me towards any good lore regarding the other continent on Nirn - Akavir?

There is also another island continent pyeandonea. As well as thras. And yokuda which sunk and aldmeris which may or may not have been a physical place. And I'm sure there is other places on nirn we may not have even heard of.

Yeah, I found a map:



Not sure how accurate it is but I see there are all sorts of land masses not pictured on the ESO game map.

Haven't seen that map for a while. Each one has a completely different shape of Akavir and completely different location of Aldmeris, since those are both unknowns.

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Lorkhan didn't "make Nirn". He tricked a load of the other gods into making Nirn but played basically no part in it himself. The true maker of Nirn was Magnus, who designed the whole thing, as well as the Divines, who gave their power to Nirn to give it structure and form, and the Ehlnofey, who became the laws of nature.

Akatosh killed Lorkhan by ripping his heart out; whether the heart should have been destroyed or not is irrelevant, as destroying it would be impossible. It certainly wasn't kept though - Akatosh fired it right across Tamriel, from one side to the other. Some blood fell out and landed in an Ayleid magicka well, where it fused to become the Red Diamond of Chim-el Adabal. Meanwhile, the heart landed on the east coast, and where it fell, a great volcano formed. It remained undiscovered until the Dwemer found it, and began experimenting on it. Their experiments resulted in the entire Dwemer race disappearing. Voryn Dagoth and the Tribunal then used the Dwemer's tools to make themselves gods.

In the back of that picture of Dagoth Ur is Akulakhan, not Lorkhan.

Vivec held Baar Dau in place rather than putting it down as a display of his power, and to keep the city hostage. If they ever stopped loving him, he would let the meteorite fall and destroy the city. When the Nerevarine broke the enchantments on the Heart of Lorkhan, both Dagoth Ur and Vivec lost their power. The Nerevarine killed Dagoth Ur, and without the power to hold up Baar Dau any more, Vivec disappeared.

After Vuhon's Ingenium was destroyed, Baar Dau fell and destroyed the city and much of the Ascadian Isles, but the rest of Morrowind was largely unaffected, and certainly not destroyed. You can see the impact crater created by Baar Dau, and that area is now called Scathing Bay. The fall of Baar Dau did trigger an eruption of Red Mountain however, and that did destroy much of Vvardenfell. The aftershocks from the eruption caused the collapse of the clifftop Skyrim city of Winterhold, as well as flooding and earthquakes in Mainland Morrowind. The Argonians used the chaos caused by the eruption to invade Morrowind.

The theory that Tamriel is another plane of Oblivion is largely considered to be Mythic Dawn propaganda. Given the knowledge of how Nirn was created by Magnus and the Divines, and how the Planes of Oblivion came into existence specifically as a part of the Daedric Princes who by definition did not partake in the creation of Nirn, there is no logical conclusion for how Tamriel can be a plane of Oblivion.

Lorkhan is not dead. You cant kill a god. He is inactive though....at least thats the best way I can explain it. Removing his heart from his body is like pulling the batteries out of a toy. The toys not broken....its just not powered.

Yeah perhaps a bad choice of words. Common theory though is that his body, at least, is dead, and this is represented by the moons and the fact they are decaying. His heart, on the other hand, has gone missing since the tonal enchantments were broken. Rather apt for the Missing God, I think, to have his heart go missing.

ParaNostram

Well Vivec left the moon there basically as a threat to his people. "Idk do you love me enough to keep the moon up today?" As much as he's one of my favorite gods for a multitude of reasons I have to admit he is one vain self centered dangerously narcisistic [redacted] someti-

-door gets kicked in, Ordinators flood in-

NO I SWEAR I DIDN'T MEAN IT I LOVE VIVEC DON'T TAKE ME TO THE MINISTRY OF TRUTH!

Magdalina

IwakuraLain42 wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Lorkhan didn't "make Nirn". He tricked a load of the other gods into making Nirn but played basically no part in it himself. The true maker of Nirn was Magnus, who designed the whole thing, as well as the Divines, who gave their power to Nirn to give it structure and form, and the Ehlnofey, who became the laws of nature.

Akatosh killed Lorkhan by ripping his heart out; whether the heart should have been destroyed or not is irrelevant, as destroying it would be impossible. It certainly wasn't kept though - Akatosh fired it right across Tamriel, from one side to the other. Some blood fell out and landed in an Ayleid magicka well, where it fused to become the Red Diamond of Chim-el Adabal. Meanwhile, the heart landed on the east coast, and where it fell, a great volcano formed. It remained undiscovered until the Dwemer found it, and began experimenting on it. Their experiments resulted in the entire Dwemer race disappearing. Voryn Dagoth and the Tribunal then used the Dwemer's tools to make themselves gods.

In the back of that picture of Dagoth Ur is Akulakhan, not Lorkhan.

Vivec held Baar Dau in place rather than putting it down as a display of his power, and to keep the city hostage. If they ever stopped loving him, he would let the meteorite fall and destroy the city. When the Nerevarine broke the enchantments on the Heart of Lorkhan, both Dagoth Ur and Vivec lost their power. The Nerevarine killed Dagoth Ur, and without the power to hold up Baar Dau any more, Vivec disappeared.

After Vuhon's Ingenium was destroyed, Baar Dau fell and destroyed the city and much of the Ascadian Isles, but the rest of Morrowind was largely unaffected, and certainly not destroyed. You can see the impact crater created by Baar Dau, and that area is now called Scathing Bay. The fall of Baar Dau did trigger an eruption of Red Mountain however, and that did destroy much of Vvardenfell. The aftershocks from the eruption caused the collapse of the clifftop Skyrim city of Winterhold, as well as flooding and earthquakes in Mainland Morrowind. The Argonians used the chaos caused by the eruption to invade Morrowind.

The theory that Tamriel is another plane of Oblivion is largely considered to be Mythic Dawn propaganda. Given the knowledge of how Nirn was created by Magnus and the Divines, and how the Planes of Oblivion came into existence specifically as a part of the Daedric Princes who by definition did not partake in the creation of Nirn, there is no logical conclusion for how Tamriel can be a plane of Oblivion.

Lorkhan is not dead. You cant kill a god. He is inactive though....at least thats the best way I can explain it. Removing his heart from his body is like pulling the batteries out of a toy. The toys not broken....its just not powered.

And having his soul shredded into pieces (Shezarrine's) and placed onto the mortal plane doesn't help either. If I remember TES3 lore correctly there was a very short moment at the end of that game when Lorkhan was reconstituted, only to shred apart again.

Poor Lorkhan

wenchmore420b14_ESO

thawks wrote: »

Zalicius wrote: »

Yeah, I found a map:



Not sure how accurate it is but I see there are all sorts of land masses not pictured on the ESO game map.

The only land masses that have ever been shown on maps are Tamriel and the remnants of Yokuda. The rest is made up.

Here are a couple of more maps. Yes most maps you will find are fan made but the other land masses are real (Lore wise).
Besides Tamriel and Yokuda there is:
Atmora~  also known as Altmora or Elder Wood in Ehlnofex.
Aldmeris~ (Old Ehlonfey)
Summer Set Isles~ (Alinor)
Pyandoea~ Home of the Maormer Elves
Artaeum~ Home of the Psijic Order. Disappeared 2E230, Returned 2E730 approx.
Akavir~
Thras Islands~
Roscrea Islands~
Esoniet Islands~ The staging place of the Empires only invasion of Akavari
Issgard Islands~
Ynslea Islands~
Cathnoquey Islands~
Lyg~ (Known in Lore Books as “The Adjacent Place”).

wenchmore420b14_ESO

Skeletalkk wrote: »

Are we forgetting Anu and Padomay? Who fought over Nir's love, Nir loved Anu and they had a child (aka Creation) Padomay was angry and killed Nir and creation, while Anu was able to salvage some parts of creation he and Padomay fought and Anu pulled them both out of Time. Anu slept in the sun and achieved Amaranth.

Anu personifies stasis while Padomay personifies chaos. Anu's soul birthed Anui-el, Padomay's blood created Sithis who created Lorkhan. Both of their blood mingled to create the Aedra.

For those who are interested in the Pantheon of the Elder Scrolls, here is a AWESOME post and thread by @Gidorick from a long time back, it is very helpfull on who came from where.. Thanks again @Gidorick ......

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/194676/visualization-of-the-pantheon-of-the-elder-scrolls-final-version-uploaded-d/p1