refining mats bugged? nerfed?

Noisivid

I was refining mats for the tempers etc and was getting very few tempers, tannins or rosins, nor anything else. Disengaged the crafting station and retried, still nothing.
Went to a different set station and had the same result. This was mostly in Alik'r

I've been away from the game for a while and didn't find anything about this severe of a nerf.

Is this bugged? Was it nerfed? Could someone point me towards the appropriate patch notes if it was nerfed?

yes I've got the passives maxed, excepting the the research time ones as I'm at nine traits.

Banana

The joys of RNG

Noisivid

Banana wrote: »

The joys of RNG

agreed, but I literally got 2 tannins, one rosin and a carnelian out of about 150 raw mats.

That's bad even for my accursed RNGods

helediron

Noisivid wrote: »

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Banana wrote: »

The joys of RNG

agreed, but I literally got 2 tannins, one rosin and a carnelian out of about 150 raw mats.

That's bad even for my accursed RNGods

That one rosin from 150 is actually better than average.

Qbiken

1/200 is the avarage

I´ve no source on this sadly but it´s what I´ve heard of.

Noisivid

Qbiken wrote: »

1/200 is the avarage

I´ve no source on this sadly but it´s what I´ve heard of.

pretty sure that's for gold tempers, at least it used to be. This was in total blues, greens, trait mats... Total, not golds

helediron

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Qbiken wrote: »

1/200 is the avarage

I´ve no source on this sadly but it´s what I´ve heard of.

pretty sure that's for gold tempers, at least it used to be. This was in total blues, greens, trait mats... Total, not golds

150 is pitifully little. Try next time with at least several thousand mats.
Drop rates per refine are:
Gold: 5%
purple: 8%
blue: 13%
green: 15%

Noisivid

helediron wrote: »

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Noisivid wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

1/200 is the avarage

I´ve no source on this sadly but it´s what I´ve heard of.

pretty sure that's for gold tempers, at least it used to be. This was in total blues, greens, trait mats... Total, not golds

150 is pitifully little. Try next time with at least several thousand mats.
Drop rates per refine are:
Gold: 5%
purple: 8%
blue: 13%
green: 15%

yes, it is a ridiculously small sample size, but 4 mats total out of 150, 3 temper/tannin/resin (not golds, purps, just green/blue) and 1 trait stone. Possibly just at the bottom of the bell curve. Given my lack of faith in ZOS I feared the worst and didn't want to burn through 2k+ mats just testing.

Thanks for the drop rates, good to know they haven't changed

LadyDestiny

I have been very poor on legendary upgrade materials lately. Never been this short before and the cost to buy them is way too high. With 8 for each piece going for 80 to 100k, It is well over a mil to upgrade a set not counting mats. With the morrowind update and gear changes because of their awesome (not) idea to resource management, they need to increase drop rates on this stuff. They need to fix the whole rng system.....period. Meanwhile the big GT's buy cheap from gold sellers and resell at enormous prices. Zos is ok with this as it seems to promote this behavior by not doing anything about it.

kylewwefan

1~2 legendary upgrade mats from a 200 stack of raw is good. I get better drops it seems from refining at someone's house or a trial crafting station. If refine 3~5 and nothing but mat, back out, clear screen and restart.

Triumviri

Do you define mats at your house...? Cause I don't have scientific proof but I feel like I get more if I do it at my residence.

JKorr

I've refined 200 raw mats and got a single green temper. I've refined 21 raw mats and got a gold. Rng in this game is consistently inconsistent.

Malacthulhu

Every time they add a new motif the droprate goes down because it dilutes the loot table. Some people will have more luck then others . I refined 6k ore got 38 temps today. Which is lucky and last time before homestead I got 100 out of 22k roughly.

Jayne_Doe

Malacthulhu wrote: »

Every time they add a new motif the droprate goes down because it dilutes the loot table. Some people will have more luck then others . I refined 6k ore got 38 temps today. Which is lucky and last time before homestead I got 100 out of 22k roughly.

But style mats don't drop from refining. Trait stones do, but style stones don't. You only get style stones from decon.

Malacthulhu

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Malacthulhu wrote: »

Every time they add a new motif the droprate goes down because it dilutes the loot table. Some people will have more luck then others . I refined 6k ore got 38 temps today. Which is lucky and last time before homestead I got 100 out of 22k roughly.

But style mats don't drop from refining. Trait stones do, but style stones don't. You only get style stones from decon.

ahh I'm ***, thanks for clearing that up.

EldrathLlewain

Noticed this a week ago, until then could get golds within 5-20 refines, last 3 days ive refined 1.5 stacks, thats 30x for each mat n got no golds, rediculous. Also have stopped getn craft writs...

JKorr

EldrathLlewain wrote: »

Noticed this a week ago, until then could get golds within 5-20 refines, last 3 days ive refined 1.5 stacks, thats 30x for each mat n got no golds, rediculous. Also have stopped getn craft writs...

Again, rng. I refined 68 ruby ash; got a purple and gold temper. I refined 263 ancestor silk, got a green and a purple. Refined 47 rubedite ore and really lucked out; purple and a gold. I've gone through 400+ of all the mats and ended up with only the refined end product and no tempers. :shrug: Don't even start about perfect roe and filleting.....