Can someone explain how does damage scale off spell damage and max magicka

Chelister

I know that Spell Damage increases the damage of those abilities that require magicka
What about max magicka? I heard that it increases damage of magicka abilities and also strengthen shields

So, what I want to understand is which one (max magicka or spell damage) gives more damage to abilities that require magicka
For example, what is the spell damage equivalent of 4k magicka?

I am running AOE build and skills are mainly shock damage (Lightening Flood, Unstable Wall, Volatile Familiar aoe, Mage's Wrath, Overload ult) and I am thinking to farm Netch's for the 400 spell damage to shock abilities.

Timeraider

Dont know much of the theory. All i know is that approx 10.5 magicka adds 1 spellpower worth of dmg if im correct. This only counts for most abilities and is not yet adjusted by modifiers.
For staff light/heavy attacks its 40 magicka for 1 spellpower worth of damage

WhiteMage

Every (magicka) skill has a tooltip equation that looks somewhat like this:

Tooltip = A*M + B*S + C

Where M is magicka and S is spell damage, and A, B, C are constants. C is typically very small and can be ignored. With most skills, B/A ~ 10.5, meaning spell damage contributes just over 10 times that of magicka. There are some exceptions, like with shields, where B is negligible and magicka is the only real contributor.

In your example, 4k magicka is roughly equivalent to 400 spell damage. Note, though, that it is far easier and more effective to buff spell damage than magicka, even though spell damage does not work on everything, so you'll need to strike a balance.

Chelister

WhiteMage wrote: »

Every (magicka) skill has a tooltip equation that looks somewhat like this:

Tooltip = A*M + B*S + C

Where M is magicka and S is spell damage, and A, B, C are constants. C is typically very small and can be ignored. With most skills, B/A ~ 10.5, meaning spell damage contributes just over 10 times that of magicka. There are some exceptions, like with shields, where B is negligible and magicka is the only real contributor.

In your example, 4k magicka is roughly equivalent to 400 spell damage. Note, though, that it is far easier and more effective to buff spell damage than magicka, even though spell damage does not work on everything, so you'll need to strike a balance.

Could you please explain why is it easier and more effective to buff spell damage than magicka?
Also, I am using 6 abilities (both bars) that deal shock damage. What do you think will be more beneficial to boost its damage, 400 damage to shock abilities or 4k magicka?

Wreuntzylla

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/introduction-to-pve-damage-calculation-homestead/

Wreuntzylla

Chelister wrote: »

WhiteMage wrote: »

Every (magicka) skill has a tooltip equation that looks somewhat like this:

Tooltip = A*M + B*S + C

Where M is magicka and S is spell damage, and A, B, C are constants. C is typically very small and can be ignored. With most skills, B/A ~ 10.5, meaning spell damage contributes just over 10 times that of magicka. There are some exceptions, like with shields, where B is negligible and magicka is the only real contributor.

In your example, 4k magicka is roughly equivalent to 400 spell damage. Note, though, that it is far easier and more effective to buff spell damage than magicka, even though spell damage does not work on everything, so you'll need to strike a balance.

Could you please explain why is it easier and more effective to buff spell damage than magicka?
Also, I am using 6 abilities (both bars) that deal shock damage. What do you think will be more beneficial to boost its damage, 400 damage to shock abilities or 4k magicka?

I think it's 10.46 magicka = 1 spell damage.

The reason people often focus on spell damage is because there is more spell damage available and more ways to boost it (there is no minor or major sorcery for magicka). This is because Magicka is not only a damage source, but a resource pool.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/284053/buffs-and-debuffs-a-full-list-updated-for-morrowind/p1

More beneficial depends on what you are after. For pure damage, power.

Chelister

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Chelister wrote: »

WhiteMage wrote: »

Every (magicka) skill has a tooltip equation that looks somewhat like this:

Tooltip = A*M + B*S + C

Where M is magicka and S is spell damage, and A, B, C are constants. C is typically very small and can be ignored. With most skills, B/A ~ 10.5, meaning spell damage contributes just over 10 times that of magicka. There are some exceptions, like with shields, where B is negligible and magicka is the only real contributor.

In your example, 4k magicka is roughly equivalent to 400 spell damage. Note, though, that it is far easier and more effective to buff spell damage than magicka, even though spell damage does not work on everything, so you'll need to strike a balance.

Could you please explain why is it easier and more effective to buff spell damage than magicka?
Also, I am using 6 abilities (both bars) that deal shock damage. What do you think will be more beneficial to boost its damage, 400 damage to shock abilities or 4k magicka?

I think it's 10.46 magicka = 1 spell damage.

The reason people often focus on spell damage is because there is more spell damage available and more ways to boost it (there is no minor or major sorcery for magicka). This is because Magicka is not only a damage source, but a resource pool.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/284053/buffs-and-debuffs-a-full-list-updated-for-morrowind/p1

More beneficial depends on what you are after. For pure damage, power.

Thx for the source, I am looking at it now.
I am building my set up and can't decide whether I should retain 4k magicka or 400 damage to shock abilities for my front bar
The front bar has theese skills (I use lightening staff): lightening flood, elemental blockade, mages wrath, destro ult, volatile pet aoe (also shock), crystal fragments. Thus, I have 5 skills which are shock damage. So what would be more beneficial to keep, 400 shock damage or 4k max magicka?
If I inderstand it correctly there is a difference between: magic / flame / frost / shock damage, right? While Spell damage and max magicka boost all of the listed types of damage, right?

Nestor

Chelister wrote: »

If I inderstand it correctly there is a difference between: magic / flame / frost / shock damage, right? While Spell damage and max magicka boost all of the listed types of damage, right?

Its more Elemental and Magic Damage. Elemental being Fire, Frost and Shock. Elemental also has secondary effects like Concuss or Stun or Knock Back.

The main differences between Elementals and Magic is the Gear and or Passives that affect those types of damage. For example there are sets that boost Shock damage and some that provide extra shock damage too, so good to mix and match with that in mind. If most of the skills you are using deal Shock damage, then you want to boost shock damage.

Or, in other words:
Templar Boost Magic Damage
Sorcerer;s Boost Shock Damage or Fire Damage (depends on staff and gear and skills here)
Dragon Knights Boost Fire Damage

Of course some players like Vampires can be weak to Fire Damage. Not sure on Mobs though, but I would think that some would have weaknesses to some types of Elementals.

X3ina

The easiest way to answer is to look at your own parse (combat metrics will help), and see the percentage that every skill contributes to your total damage done.

Btw, i still haven't seen any parse where netch outparses necro in the same situation (except pet unfriendly fights)

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Chelister wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Chelister wrote: »

WhiteMage wrote: »

Every (magicka) skill has a tooltip equation that looks somewhat like this:

Tooltip = A*M + B*S + C

Where M is magicka and S is spell damage, and A, B, C are constants. C is typically very small and can be ignored. With most skills, B/A ~ 10.5, meaning spell damage contributes just over 10 times that of magicka. There are some exceptions, like with shields, where B is negligible and magicka is the only real contributor.

In your example, 4k magicka is roughly equivalent to 400 spell damage. Note, though, that it is far easier and more effective to buff spell damage than magicka, even though spell damage does not work on everything, so you'll need to strike a balance.

Could you please explain why is it easier and more effective to buff spell damage than magicka?
Also, I am using 6 abilities (both bars) that deal shock damage. What do you think will be more beneficial to boost its damage, 400 damage to shock abilities or 4k magicka?

I think it's 10.46 magicka = 1 spell damage.

The reason people often focus on spell damage is because there is more spell damage available and more ways to boost it (there is no minor or major sorcery for magicka). This is because Magicka is not only a damage source, but a resource pool.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/284053/buffs-and-debuffs-a-full-list-updated-for-morrowind/p1

More beneficial depends on what you are after. For pure damage, power.

Thx for the source, I am looking at it now.
I am building my set up and can't decide whether I should retain 4k magicka or 400 damage to shock abilities for my front bar
The front bar has theese skills (I use lightening staff): lightening flood, elemental blockade, mages wrath, destro ult, volatile pet aoe (also shock), crystal fragments. Thus, I have 5 skills which are shock damage. So what would be more beneficial to keep, 400 shock damage or 4k max magicka?
If I inderstand it correctly there is a difference between: magic / flame / frost / shock damage, right? While Spell damage and max magicka boost all of the listed types of damage, right?

The sorc pets only scale on max magic, regardless of the type of damage they do. So sorcs that use pets need to stack magic more then spell damage.

Wreuntzylla

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Chelister wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Chelister wrote: »

WhiteMage wrote: »

Every (magicka) skill has a tooltip equation that looks somewhat like this:

Tooltip = A*M + B*S + C

Where M is magicka and S is spell damage, and A, B, C are constants. C is typically very small and can be ignored. With most skills, B/A ~ 10.5, meaning spell damage contributes just over 10 times that of magicka. There are some exceptions, like with shields, where B is negligible and magicka is the only real contributor.

In your example, 4k magicka is roughly equivalent to 400 spell damage. Note, though, that it is far easier and more effective to buff spell damage than magicka, even though spell damage does not work on everything, so you'll need to strike a balance.

Could you please explain why is it easier and more effective to buff spell damage than magicka?
Also, I am using 6 abilities (both bars) that deal shock damage. What do you think will be more beneficial to boost its damage, 400 damage to shock abilities or 4k magicka?

I think it's 10.46 magicka = 1 spell damage.

The reason people often focus on spell damage is because there is more spell damage available and more ways to boost it (there is no minor or major sorcery for magicka). This is because Magicka is not only a damage source, but a resource pool.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/284053/buffs-and-debuffs-a-full-list-updated-for-morrowind/p1

More beneficial depends on what you are after. For pure damage, power.

Thx for the source, I am looking at it now.
I am building my set up and can't decide whether I should retain 4k magicka or 400 damage to shock abilities for my front bar
The front bar has theese skills (I use lightening staff): lightening flood, elemental blockade, mages wrath, destro ult, volatile pet aoe (also shock), crystal fragments. Thus, I have 5 skills which are shock damage. So what would be more beneficial to keep, 400 shock damage or 4k max magicka?
If I inderstand it correctly there is a difference between: magic / flame / frost / shock damage, right? While Spell damage and max magicka boost all of the listed types of damage, right?

The sorc pets only scale on max magic, regardless of the type of damage they do. So sorcs that use pets need to stack magic more then spell damage.

Isn't conjured ward also only based on magicka?