Potential "Gear Cap Increase" - Not What You Think

Avran_Sylt

Seems a lot of people are against raising the CP gear cap, which is totally understandable. But it's entirely possible that this aforementioned "Gear Cap Increase" could simply be an additional improvement tier past the current Legendary Tier.

If so, what do you think this would be called? What kind of resource would you need to get? How would you go about getting this resource?

My Guess (and this is just for fun):

Heroic Tier - Improvement materials (the names are horrendous)
Smithing: Daedric Coal
Woodworking: Mystic Sap
Clothing: Infused Thread

Obtainable via Trial Rewards and Master Crafting Writs.

Dracindo

No thanks. You already need 8 of those tempering alloys for a 100% success chance, these ones would probably be 16 pieces for 100%. They're probably even harder to get, so it will take even longer to get there. Prices in guild stores would be outrageous.

And the end cause: if your gear is not at that level yet, you will be judged for it. Having low stats and all that. No, we're good.

Vapirko

Yeah I don't want to it 15k apiece for 16 items for one piece of armor.

bebynnag

this is what i also assumed when i heard whispers of a gear increase that would allow your existing items to still be relevant

there would be uproar though if the items could be awarded through trials and not through PvP in some way

josiahva

uggh, no, I HATE doing writs as is...and I dont care for ANY more items to be locked behind a trial wall, there are enough locked there already.

The idea itself is sound enough, I just dont like mats being locked behind specific pieces of content, though at least unlike most people you do provide 2 different ways to get them instead of wanting to lock them behind your favorite piece of content.

Universe

Just a guess: If using the crown crate system as an example, the level of upgrade above Legendary could be called "Apex".
If ever introduced, you will need 16 of those tempers to improve 1 item(100% chance).
If it will cost 20k gold to buy 1 apex upgrading item, 16 of those will be 320k gold.
There is a small chance zos will introduce such a feature in the future, though it is unlikely.

timb16_ESO85

Why does everyone think it would necesarily require 16 upgrade mats? Having a vet trial/pvp leaderboard award one bop material to everyone, which would be equal to one upgraded equipment piece, would be a huge incentive to try hard/challenging contents, apart from the current title/skin

SanTii.92

There are no indications that a 'gear cap increase' is happening anytime soon.

But if they were to do it, i think this is the right way how.

There is an issue that zos will have to eventually address, and thar is the longevity of the content.

Vhof hm completed within hours of release is probably not acceptable for them. And part of the issue is that there are no actual gear checks in the game.

KochDerDamonen

SanTii.92 wrote: »

There are no indications that a 'gear cap increase' is happening anytime soon.

But if they were to do it, i think this is the right way how.

There is an issue that zos will have to eventually address, and thar is the longevity of the content.

Vhof hm completed within hours of release is probably not acceptable for them. And part of the issue is that there are no actual gear checks in the game.

It's one of very few actual options they have. If they go for raising the level, all they'd do is make all their cp160+ players feel like they're wearing cp140 armor.

FloppyTouch

Shock people are lazy and don't want to have to grind gear again.

People never want gear increase or to farm stuff again but it is needed to keep people playing the game.

Right now I could leave this game for over a year come back and still be at cp cap and my gear is all golden out bis. Why should I keep playing when I know I can leave not play everyday and still be relevant as the day I left 2 years ago?

josiahva

timb16_ESO85 wrote: »

Why does everyone think it would necesarily require 16 upgrade mats? Having a vet trial/pvp leaderboard award one bop material to everyone, which would be equal to one upgraded equipment piece, would be a huge incentive to try hard/challenging contents, apart from the current title/skin

I dont like trials, and I dont like the idea of being forced to do trials(AKA build homogenization) to get upgrade materials. PvP is far more palatable, but I am not a fan of forcing anyone into content they dont enjoy to be able to progress in the game.

Universe

josiahva wrote: »

timb16_ESO85 wrote: »

Why does everyone think it would necesarily require 16 upgrade mats? Having a vet trial/pvp leaderboard award one bop material to everyone, which would be equal to one upgraded equipment piece, would be a huge incentive to try hard/challenging contents, apart from the current title/skin

I dont like trials, and I dont like the idea of being forced to do trials(AKA build homogenization) to get upgrade materials. PvP is far more palatable, but I am not a fan of forcing anyone into content they dont enjoy to be able to progress in the game.

If ever introduced, the addition of the rare upgrading material above Legendary will probably be in the form of very rare drop in crafting nodes, like the aetherial dust.

Nestor

FloppyTouch wrote: »

Shock people are lazy and don't want to have to grind gear again.

People never want gear increase or to farm stuff again but it is needed to keep people playing the game.

Right now I could leave this game for over a year come back and still be at cp cap and my gear is all golden out bis. Why should I keep playing when I know I can leave not play everyday and still be relevant as the day I left 2 years ago?

Your ignoring the obvious way, which is to introduce new sets, both dropped and crafted. Oh, and if your using gear from two years ago, your not BiS anymore.

No need to jack up the gear cap and force everyone to grind to get back to where they were yesterday. Which is all a Gear Cap increase will do in this game, is put people right back where they started since everything scales. Just give people more gear choices and they can choose what to do, chase the new gear or keep their status quo.

rotaugen454

FloppyTouch wrote: »

Shock people are lazy and don't want to have to grind gear again.

People never want gear increase or to farm stuff again but it is needed to keep people playing the game.

Right now I could leave this game for over a year come back and still be at cp cap and my gear is all golden out bis. Why should I keep playing when I know I can leave not play everyday and still be relevant as the day I left 2 years ago?

Lazy? Maybe most people can't devote that large amount of time to a game.

Gilvoth

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Improvement materials


Obtainable via Trial Rewards and Master Crafting Writs.

i hope that Never happens.
people like myself who never leave cryodiil and hate pve in eso like i do, could never have a chance to get the materials needed. and that is just wrong and evil to do that to us.

Skinzz

I am not f****** grinding for all my sharpened vma weapons again. He'll F****** NO.

Gilvoth

josiahva wrote: »

timb16_ESO85 wrote: »

Why does everyone think it would necesarily require 16 upgrade mats? Having a vet trial/pvp leaderboard award one bop material to everyone, which would be equal to one upgraded equipment piece, would be a huge incentive to try hard/challenging contents, apart from the current title/skin

I dont like trials, and I dont like the idea of being forced to do trials(AKA build homogenization) to get upgrade materials. PvP is far more palatable, but I am not a fan of forcing anyone into content they dont enjoy to be able to progress in the game.

exactly!

Asardes

Where are you taking all this "insider info" from? I guess from the back side of one of the atronach mounts you found in the 1001st crown crate.

KochDerDamonen

FloppyTouch wrote: »

Shock people are lazy and don't want to have to grind gear again.

People never want gear increase or to farm stuff again but it is needed to keep people playing the game.

Right now I could leave this game for over a year come back and still be at cp cap and my gear is all golden out bis. Why should I keep playing when I know I can leave not play everyday and still be relevant as the day I left 2 years ago?

@FloppyTouch Except in this game, now thanks to the changes in 1T, a new gear level would only serve to be as powerful as your current gear after scaling. We would just grind the same content, for the same gear, with the same numbers... well, except the level of course. haha.

There is no intrigue to gear acquisition in this game, unless you can sell it or it's NEW!

DMuehlhausen

Whether people are against the CP increase or not it's going to happen eventually.

Imryll

A new layer of tempers would just make folks more enraged if and when the gear cap increases because they'd have invested even more in their existing pieces. And if there were a new layer of tempers, it shouldn't be locked behind specific activities that not everyone enjoys. Not to mention that I seem to remember something about raising the floor and lowering the ceiling. Your proposal would do the opposite and increase the power gulfs among players.

Nestor

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Whether people are against the CP increase or not it's going to happen eventually.

CP Increases have nothing to do with Gear Cap Increases. And, yes, we will have CP Increases.

Merlin13KAGL

So the market can get cornered (and pillaged) and those that likely already have golded out BiS everything can get even stronger?

No.

Perhaps you missed the reasons behind the last major update?

Nestor wrote: »

FloppyTouch wrote: »

Shock people are lazy and don't want to have to grind gear again.

People never want gear increase or to farm stuff again but it is needed to keep people playing the game.

Right now I could leave this game for over a year come back and still be at cp cap and my gear is all golden out bis. Why should I keep playing when I know I can leave not play everyday and still be relevant as the day I left 2 years ago?

Your ignoring the obvious way, which is to introduce new sets, both dropped and crafted. Oh, and if your using gear from two years ago, your not BiS anymore.

No need to jack up the gear cap and force everyone to grind to get back to where they were yesterday. Which is all a Gear Cap increase will do in this game, is put people right back where they started since everything scales. Just give people more gear choices and they can choose what to do, chase the new gear or keep their status quo.

Right. May as well put a cooldown timer on gear upgrade and cut out the bs in the middle.

@FloppyTouch it would be different if that gear grind somehow added something to the game. If it improved your skills, unlocked new lines, opened up new zones. It does none of that.

It is merely a grind. It's a time sink in RNG hell that leads to a time sink in inventory hell. Nothing more. You don't magically become a better player because you've run Fungal Grotto, DSA, Maelstrom, or main-line-deliver-this-loaf-of-bread-to-orphans quest for the 1000th time.

As @Nestor said. Introduce new content. Introduce new gear sets.

Hell, introduce some way to morph/modify/truly upgrade existing ones. That's how you keep the game alive.

kargen27

My question is why raise the gear level...to what end? What are you hoping to accomplish?

Is it just to have a renewed reason to grind?

If the resources are hard to obtain or behind specific content the gap between casual players and top players widens. If they are easy to obtain then nothing really changes because PvE would have to be scaled to the increase and PvP after a short time everyone would be back in the same level gear.

Other than a higher level just for the sake of a higher level I do not see the point.

To answer the question asked, why keep playing, because you enjoy the game. I can't speak for you but if the game became just grinding to the next level of gear for me I would find another game. If I were tired of the game just adding a level to gear isn't going to renew my enthusiasm.

I know it is hard to get tone from reading a message and I really do not mean any of what I typed in a negative way at all. I have read a lot of threads about gear level increases and haven't seen a reason why. So I am curious as to why it is needed/wanted.

Beardimus

I think just move crafted to CP180 or 200.

Leave the drop gear 160. Bring crafting back to the game

also stops people crying about their vMSA gear and gold sets

kargen27

Beardimus wrote: »

I think just move crafted to CP180 or 200.

Leave the drop gear 160. Bring crafting back to the game

also stops people crying about their vMSA gear and gold sets

I think you underestimate what people will cry about.

While I would like crafted gear to be more widely used in the game if you raise the level for crafted gear only... not going to be easily or quietly accepted.

essi2

They've said they are going to increase the gear cp cap.

Just not how or when. Most likely it will be the classic straight clear cut higher level cap and yes, you will have to re-acquire all your gear again, that's kinda the point of the exercise

And no, it won't be through a new improvement tier, that's crazy talk.

peoplecallmeleo

The only way I would be ok with this is if all your current cp160 gear goes up with the increase because I already have like 6 fully geared toons with optimal traits and im not trying to re grind everything... You know how long it took me to grind some of these items

ChandraNalaar

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Seems a lot of people are against raising the CP gear cap, which is totally understandable. But it's entirely possible that this aforementioned "Gear Cap Increase" could simply be an additional improvement tier past the current Legendary Tier.

If so, what do you think this would be called? What kind of resource would you need to get? How would you go about getting this resource?

My Guess (and this is just for fun):

Heroic Tier - Improvement materials (the names are horrendous)
Smithing: Daedric Coal
Woodworking: Mystic Sap
Clothing: Infused Thread

Obtainable via Trial Rewards and Master Crafting Writs.

I could deal with this better than I could a cp cap increase. I'm all for progression but I don't like the idea of ZoS raising the gear cap and making everybody's hard farmed sharpened vMA, master, moondancer, and VO weapons useless and outdated. Increasing the cp cap would be more viable if there was a legitimate token system (cough cough) or if everything in game went BoE again. Personally I want both; I want vMA and trial drops to go token system and dungeon/overworld stuff to go BoE across the board. I wasn't a fan of the BoP deal when they introduced it, and I'm still not a fan. I know if they made it so your gear could be improved past legendary it would take an obscene amount of mats and be ridiculously hard to get, but I would prefer that to re-grinding dozens of gear sets for twelve toons.

GeorgeBlack

I agree to never ending gear increases. Either CP increase, or quality increase, it doesn't mater.
I just want an interesting experience farming those mats. Preferable open world PvP farming with loose Guild v Guild war, and maybe some World bosses (which you'll have to contest for...)

PvE channel for PvP haters. Good luck farming with the whole population KSing you.

Yes to gear increases.

firedrgn

Maybe they will make it a craft,g thing. It really needs to,be something that's available to e everyone, .. Meaning some people don't PvP or trials. But everyone can craft, ... PvP,would not be end dog world but I don't really want to see it locked behind group content.