Improve NPCs and Stop nerfing

jaye63 · June 2017

If you cant program a better monster then get a new job. But wasting my time by changing what has been here... Im done. One more idiot programmer who thinks nerfing is the answer and you can kiss my entertainment money goodbye. Sick of spending months on something and then having morons who dont know how to improve NPCs, totalling my build. I've paid a sub since I started and spent money on the DLCs and MW... You have reached the limit of abuse Im going to let you hand me. Got it ZOS?

Sunah · June 2017

If you could explain the situation a bit better, like specifically im sure people would assist you better.

Ghost-Shot · June 2017

So much lol in this post, fyi, game play designers nerf/buff things, not programmers lol. And if you get good the nerfs aren't really an issue.

Artemiisia · June 2017

someone might need more sugar

Asardes · June 2017

Tree-minder Nakesh politely disagrees. Just be sure to burn that parchment.

Faylis · June 2017

jaye63 wrote: »

If you cant program a better monster then get a new job. But wasting my time by changing what has been here... Im done. One more idiot programmer who thinks nerfing is the answer and you can kiss my...

That's the way to be constructive! I am sure you're getting your point across starting with that little gem of an opener.

josiahva · June 2017

Heh, the nerf for PvP, not PvE for the most part.

Mazbt · June 2017

Hope you find some peace in your future new game. You really gotta chill out.

jaye63 · June 2017

Wall of Elements and Lightning flood... 6 second duration but will end if the NPC dies... not so great when you're on a steam portal or zombie pile. Magician(less magicka cost) taken away and replaced with damaging the NPCs regen of health stamina and magicka.

How about increase NPC resistance? How about adding an NPC immunity? Dev is doing the work either way. Dev doesnt have to waste my time. This is why I called em Morons. I was a businessman and this is NOT a good business model. It's spitting on your customers.

And you fanbois excuse and accept it... that's almost even more aggravating.

jaye63 · June 2017

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

So much lol in this post, fyi, game play designers nerf/buff things, not programmers lol. And if you get good the nerfs aren't really an issue.

Devs, programmers, designers, call the *team* what you want, I dont care... but stay on topic. And the topic is... Stop nerfing us and do a better job on the NPCs. Stop posting just to get another post in.

Bombashaman · June 2017

Faylis wrote: »

That's the way to be constructive! I am sure you're getting your point across starting with that little gem of an opener.

Vipstaakki · June 2017

jaye63 wrote: »

If you cant program a better monster then get a new job. But wasting my time by changing what has been here... Im done. One more idiot programmer who thinks nerfing is the answer and you can kiss my entertainment money goodbye. Sick of spending months on something and then having morons who dont know how to improve NPCs, totalling my build. I've paid a sub since I started and spent money on the DLCs and MW... You have reached the limit of abuse Im going to let you hand me. Got it ZOS?

No one cares about your entertainment money. Goodbye.

BlackSparrow · June 2017

Nerfs are usually to facilitate that mythical thing known as "PvP balance." We PvEers are pretty much just along for the ride, bumps and all. It has nothing to do with the PvE enemies.

jaye63 · June 2017

BlackSparrow wrote: »

Nerfs are usually to facilitate that mythical thing known as "PvP balance." We PvEers are pretty much just along for the ride, bumps and all. It has nothing to do with the PvE enemies.

Well- It's my understanding that a there were nerfs that had to do with the ability to hit bosses so well that they were done before they could proc their ults. This is second hand so take it for what it's worth.

Sigtric · June 2017

Anyone know how much skooma the OP is on? Never let me have that much.

Kay1 · June 2017

josiahva wrote: »

Heh, the nerf for PvP, not PvE for the most part.

What hahahhahahha

PvP is better than ever, not only solo PvP has been buffed by a loooooooooooooooot but ALL unkillable builds are dead.

The nerf only affected bad PvP players and bad PvE players, they nerfed casuals and average players this last patch while good players cannot sustain like everyone now but they are still very good players and they manage way better their resources while weaving/canceling than an average player.

Flameheart · June 2017

Kay1 wrote: »

josiahva wrote: »

Heh, the nerf for PvP, not PvE for the most part.

What hahahhahahha

PvP is better than ever, not only solo PvP has been buffed by a loooooooooooooooot but ALL unkillable builds are dead.

The nerf only affected bad PvP players and bad PvE players, they nerfed casuals and average players this last patch while good players cannot sustain like everyone now but they are still very good players and they manage way better their resources while weaving/canceling than an average player.

So the "heaving the floor and lowering the ceiling" objective was achieved for sure..

ADarklore · June 2017

Funny how the OP calls himself a "businessman" and yet cannot even articulate the message he is trying to convey... and people wonder why the world is in the state it is. I'm still not even sure exactly WHAT it is he's complaining about... perhaps he doesn't even know if he cannot provide better 'details' as to what the "NPC" issue is and even then, he says, "Well- It's my understanding that a there were nerfs that had to do with the ability to hit bosses so well that they were done before they could proc their ults. This is second hand so take it for what it's worth. " So in fact, he hasn't even done enough research to know what has changed and the reasons for it, he just wants to come here and complain about something obscure to create drama apparently. Go figure.

KochDerDamonen · June 2017

So...

If the game was precisely as difficult for you right now as it was before, BUT the cause was overall buffs to NPCs and not nerfs that affected your build, you would be perfectly happy with this?

If so, what is different between these two scenarios that would make it so? Your personal numbers being different? A more specific change, to some skill or somesuch that you enjoyed and now works differently? Something else?

Turelus · June 2017

I am not even sure what to say to this one which is going to be considered.

Firstly OP insulting game designers whilst the cool thing to do these days doesn't help anyone. They're normal people doing a job so they can live their lives, and often a lot of people forget that.

Secondly if you have issues you want to be addressed you need to bring those issues up, there are many methods of doing so. Yes sometimes your issue won't be fixed, or your view of how something should work won't be used, this doesn't mean devs don't listen. Maybe they don't have the resources to fix that issue at that time, or maybe they don't see the same vision as you do for their game.

Edit: In regards to always nerfing and not buffing NPC's etc. this is something they have covered a few times and simply a nerf (balanced which reduces power) is because to just keep buffing things ends up in silly levels of power creep eventually.

It's better to have a bar of where you want things and adjust up and down rather that just keep raising the bar to match the creep.

AzraelKrieg · June 2017

Sigtric wrote: »

Anyone know how much skooma the OP is on? Never let me have that much.

Probably too much. Could be a skooma child as well. Remember kids, stay off skooma if you're going to have a child.

Chilly-McFreeze · June 2017

Did someone break your toy?

klowdy1 · June 2017

Just do what I want, how I want, when I want. This game was made just for me, so do want I say. Your entitlement is showing, little one.

AzraelKrieg · June 2017

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Did someone break your toy?

Sounds like all his toys are broken

jaye63 · June 2017

klowdy1 wrote: »

Just do what I want, how I want, when I want. This game was made just for me, so do want I say. Your entitlement is showing, little one.

I am a PAYING customer. I dont like PAYING to have it taken away. I PAY so that they can hire competent people and so there is a GOOD gaming experience. Not to listen to people go on about how it's ok that we get hosed. Now I see why the Kardashians are still on the air. *It's garbage but its better than the other garbage*. Wake up.

jaye63 · June 2017

Turelus wrote: »

I am not even sure what to say to this one which is going to be considered.

Firstly OP insulting game designers whilst the cool thing to do these days doesn't help anyone. They're normal people doing a job so they can live their lives, and often a lot of people forget that.

Secondly if you have issues you want to be addressed you need to bring those issues up, there are many methods of doing so. Yes sometimes your issue won't be fixed, or your view of how something should work won't be used, this doesn't mean devs don't listen. Maybe they don't have the resources to fix that issue at that time, or maybe they don't see the same vision as you do for their game.

Edit: In regards to always nerfing and not buffing NPC's etc. this is something they have covered a few times and simply a nerf (balanced which reduces power) is because to just keep buffing things ends up in silly levels of power creep eventually.

It's better to have a bar of where you want things and adjust up and down rather that just keep raising the bar to match the creep.

Actually... no. These are inexperienced kids because that's the way to save money instead of paying competent people what they are worth.

I did bring them up. Over and over and yet they cant seem to understand that crapping all over my time and money isnt going to keep me spending money. So now Im being excessively blunt.

And if they want to avoid having to nerf and want to avoid power creep, then maybe they should do a little more beta with people who can show the OP/game breaking/ excess/ whatever you wanna call it so that they can fix it BEFORE it goes live instead of shoving things out the door just to have the next thing there in a pre ordained time frame.

ALL of the game companies do it because you let them. Stop playing and they fix it or go bye bye and thereby setting an example to the next ones who think they can push garbage out. Seriously... WE have that kind of power. They get no money for garbage and they stop producing garbage. You accept garbage, then that's the level they will produce.

STEVIL · June 2017

jaye63 wrote: »

If you cant program a better monster then get a new job. But wasting my time by changing what has been here... Im done. One more idiot programmer who thinks nerfing is the answer and you can kiss my entertainment money goodbye. Sick of spending months on something and then having morons who dont know how to improve NPCs, totalling my build. I've paid a sub since I started and spent money on the DLCs and MW... You have reached the limit of abuse Im going to let you hand me. Got it ZOS?

for the record, raising the monsters is nerfing the character, tho some cant see past the numbers to realize that.

"Hey, i can still hit for 25k!!!."
"So, but the monster went up from 1.1kk to 5.5kk and hits for 35k now."
"But at least it wasn't a nerf!!!"

its like if they cut your cars speed by 38% but since they changed the speedometer to KPH from MPH so you are still driving 75, you are fine with it.

hilarious

jaye63 · June 2017

STEVIL wrote: »

jaye63 wrote: »

If you cant program a better monster then get a new job. But wasting my time by changing what has been here... Im done. One more idiot programmer who thinks nerfing is the answer and you can kiss my entertainment money goodbye. Sick of spending months on something and then having morons who dont know how to improve NPCs, totalling my build. I've paid a sub since I started and spent money on the DLCs and MW... You have reached the limit of abuse Im going to let you hand me. Got it ZOS?

for the record, raising the monsters is nerfing the character, tho some cant see past the numbers to realize that.

"Hey, i can still hit for 25k!!!."
"So, but the monster went up from 1.1kk to 5.5kk and hits for 35k now."
"But at least it wasn't a nerf!!!"

its like if they cut your cars speed by 38% but since they changed the speedometer to KPH from MPH so you are still driving 75, you are fine with it.

hilarious

The difference is... It's not trashing months of work. It's not changing the way my toon functions. It's like buying a cadillac and having GMC come to you in a few months and replace it with a vega. You paid for a cadillac, not a vega.

EDIT: Just because you get some driving lessons and you're able to drive that Caddy proficiently down the road, doesnt mean they need to nerf your vehicle.

stewhead2ub17_ESO · June 2017

Is this post considered a Chardonnay or a Merlot?

dpencil1 · June 2017

@jaye63
The analogy of buying a car is not appropriate here. It's more like getting a membership to a gym. Maybe you have a few particular machines you like to work out on, then one day one of those has been removed because it didn't get used by enough people and something else was put in to replace it. The gym is not beholden to you as a paying customer to keep equipment they don't feel is benefitting the gym as much as it should. If you can't stand it being gone, go to a different gym that has one. Spitting vitriol at the staff because they didn't base every decision off of your singular interests just shows how utterly self-centered you are behaving.

Nyghthowler · June 2017

stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »

Is this post considered a Chardonnay or a Merlot?

I think MD 20/20 is a more apropos comparison....