Some questions on nb

dehlert

Hey so lately I have rolled with my sorc and I wanted to give my magblade some love since alcast made it sound like they got buffed, how are they in both pve and pvp? I thought they seemed fine in pve but every so often I come across a post that utterly bashes their dps as if they were the warden..

I don't expect it to be a sorc but would you say the nb is so outclassed that if I had a slight min max attitude that I should just stay on the sorc?

Chelo

Stay on your Sorc, I love my MagBlade but if you already have a MagSorc, there's no point in leveling a weaker class unless you want to try a different playstyle just for casual fun.

This game is all about Sorcs and DKs... The other classes are ''just for fun''...

Blackleopardex

Don't forget the Templar, if you wanna heal that is...

Blackleopardex

But really tho, let's break it down. In the new trial the mag-blade can be useful for their veil of blades and the high ulti re-gen for proc of master architect. It is also possible to pass 40 k single target dps if you run the right setup and skills.

For pvp/duels the mag-blade is not OP in any way but you can have fun on it if you find a nice balance between damage/sustain(can be hard). However in battlegrounds the mag-blade can prove very handy in relics defending, if you wanna know more about it I'm happy to explain.

Chelo

Blackleopardex wrote: »

But really tho, let's break it down. In the new trial the mag-blade can be useful for their veil of blades and the high ulti re-gen for proc of master architect. It is also possible to pass 40 k single target dps if you run the right setup and skills.

For pvp/duels the mag-blade is not OP in any way but you can have fun on it if you find a nice balance between damage/sustain(can be hard). However in battlegrounds the mag-blade can prove very handy in relics defending, if you wanna know more about it I'm happy to explain.

The point is that the MagSorc can do any of that better... NBs doesnt have a specific role in this game, if you want to dps, take a Sorc, if you want to tank, take a DK, if you want to heal, take a Templar... So whats the job of the NB if the other 3 classes can do everything better?...

My opinion is that NB is the ''solo class'', is the class that you pick if you want to play this as a single player game and complete/skip stuff by your own (even some group content).

Blackleopardex

Chelo wrote: »

Blackleopardex wrote: »

But really tho, let's break it down. In the new trial the mag-blade can be useful for their veil of blades and the high ulti re-gen for proc of master architect. It is also possible to pass 40 k single target dps if you run the right setup and skills.

For pvp/duels the mag-blade is not OP in any way but you can have fun on it if you find a nice balance between damage/sustain(can be hard). However in battlegrounds the mag-blade can prove very handy in relics defending, if you wanna know more about it I'm happy to explain.

The point is that the MagSorc can do any of that better...

Wrong, "mag-blade can be useful for their veil of blades and the high ulti re-gen for proc of master architect."
a sorc can not do this better.

Did you even read what I wrote? Never said NB has higher dps as sorc.

Chelo

Blackleopardex wrote: »

Chelo wrote: »

Blackleopardex wrote: »

But really tho, let's break it down. In the new trial the mag-blade can be useful for their veil of blades and the high ulti re-gen for proc of master architect. It is also possible to pass 40 k single target dps if you run the right setup and skills.

For pvp/duels the mag-blade is not OP in any way but you can have fun on it if you find a nice balance between damage/sustain(can be hard). However in battlegrounds the mag-blade can prove very handy in relics defending, if you wanna know more about it I'm happy to explain.

The point is that the MagSorc can do any of that better...

Wrong, "mag-blade can be useful for their veil of blades and the high ulti re-gen for proc of master architect."
a sorc can not do this better.

Did you even read what I wrote? Never said NB has higher dps as sorc.

So thats the only job of the NB in the entire game? Using Veil of Blades? hahahahaha not worth it...

Blackleopardex

Chelo wrote: »

Blackleopardex wrote: »

Chelo wrote: »

Blackleopardex wrote: »

But really tho, let's break it down. In the new trial the mag-blade can be useful for their veil of blades and the high ulti re-gen for proc of master architect. It is also possible to pass 40 k single target dps if you run the right setup and skills.

For pvp/duels the mag-blade is not OP in any way but you can have fun on it if you find a nice balance between damage/sustain(can be hard). However in battlegrounds the mag-blade can prove very handy in relics defending, if you wanna know more about it I'm happy to explain.

The point is that the MagSorc can do any of that better...

Wrong, "mag-blade can be useful for their veil of blades and the high ulti re-gen for proc of master architect."
a sorc can not do this better.

Did you even read what I wrote? Never said NB has higher dps as sorc.

So thats the only job of the NB in the entire game? Using Veil of Blades? hahahahaha not worth it...

By now it's clear that you don't read what I type... You just ignore most of it and then try to minimize it but in the end you just make yourself look like a idiot. The NB class does not have the highest single target DPS however it beats the sorc to the ground in AOE-dps. The NB can provide off-heal in dungeons running without a healer.

And let me try to explain this again about master architect: The NB has by far the highest ultimate re-gen of the classes and this makes it very useful for the set called master architect "When you use an Ultimate ability, you and the closest 2 allies within 28 meters of you gain Major Slayer for 10 seconds, increasing your damage done to Dungeons and Trials Monsters by 15%.". If you still wanna stay in you fantasy world that's ok, HF.

Dracindo

Nightblades are good in Cyrodiil ganking.

Blackleopardex

Dracindo wrote: »

Nightblades are good in Cyrodiil ganking.

Yeah Nightblades are good for many things, they make really good vdungeon tanks for example. But was mainly thinking of the mag-blade in this thread it seems.

PS4_ZeColmeia

Blackleopardex wrote: »

Dracindo wrote: »

Nightblades are good in Cyrodiil ganking.

Yeah Nightblades are good for many things, they make really good vdungeon tanks for example. But was mainly thinking of the mag-blade in this thread it seems.

I have a nightblade that I do all roles with and craft with. NB is the Jack of all trades class. You have DB and TG DLC that cater to us as a class. Morrowind gave us more to steal. You can speed through the entire game to do quests faster than any other class.

NB is not for being the best at something, but it is for doing EVERYTHING in the game well. If you play solo alot, this is the best class to do that bar none.

Chelo

Blackleopardex wrote: »

Chelo wrote: »

Blackleopardex wrote: »

Chelo wrote: »

Blackleopardex wrote: »

But really tho, let's break it down. In the new trial the mag-blade can be useful for their veil of blades and the high ulti re-gen for proc of master architect. It is also possible to pass 40 k single target dps if you run the right setup and skills.

For pvp/duels the mag-blade is not OP in any way but you can have fun on it if you find a nice balance between damage/sustain(can be hard). However in battlegrounds the mag-blade can prove very handy in relics defending, if you wanna know more about it I'm happy to explain.

The point is that the MagSorc can do any of that better...

Wrong, "mag-blade can be useful for their veil of blades and the high ulti re-gen for proc of master architect."
a sorc can not do this better.

Did you even read what I wrote? Never said NB has higher dps as sorc.

So thats the only job of the NB in the entire game? Using Veil of Blades? hahahahaha not worth it...

By now it's clear that you don't read what I type... You just ignore most of it and then try to minimize it but in the end you just make yourself look like a idiot. The NB class does not have the highest single target DPS however it beats the sorc to the ground in AOE-dps. The NB can provide off-heal in dungeons running without a healer.

And let me try to explain this again about master architect: The NB has by far the highest ultimate re-gen of the classes and this makes it very useful for the set called master architect "When you use an Ultimate ability, you and the closest 2 allies within 28 meters of you gain Major Slayer for 10 seconds, increasing your damage done to Dungeons and Trials Monsters by 15%.". If you still wanna stay in you fantasy world that's ok, HF.

Still not *** worth it as a dps... The only valid points are the AoE dmg but at the end what matters is single target dmg; and the off-healing, I like to do Vet Dungeons without a healer because its faster and my funnel health + refreshing path are more than enough for sustaining healing in 4-Player content, that way we can run 3 dps 1 tank.

And also I know what Master Architect do, but what happend if I dont give 2 *** about using it and just want to use a raw dmg set. Of course with Soul Harvest you can mantain the Major Slayer buff almost the entire time but I repeat, what happend if I dont want to use that set...

My point is, NB suppose to be a dps class and the utility as a MagBlade doesnt compensate the lack of dps. Just becuse I heal myself and my team while doing dmg, doesnt mean my dmg have to be much more lower than a Sorc in raw numbers because Im providing utility.

I still think MagBlade is the best playstyle for soloing the entire game, but I just want more raw dmg numbers in pvp/pve, at least closer to a Sorc.

Unbuffed pve/soloing:

Blackleopardex

Chelo wrote: »

Blackleopardex wrote: »

Chelo wrote: »

Blackleopardex wrote: »

Chelo wrote: »

Blackleopardex wrote: »

But really tho, let's break it down. In the new trial the mag-blade can be useful for their veil of blades and the high ulti re-gen for proc of master architect. It is also possible to pass 40 k single target dps if you run the right setup and skills.

For pvp/duels the mag-blade is not OP in any way but you can have fun on it if you find a nice balance between damage/sustain(can be hard). However in battlegrounds the mag-blade can prove very handy in relics defending, if you wanna know more about it I'm happy to explain.

The point is that the MagSorc can do any of that better...

Wrong, "mag-blade can be useful for their veil of blades and the high ulti re-gen for proc of master architect."
a sorc can not do this better.

Did you even read what I wrote? Never said NB has higher dps as sorc.

So thats the only job of the NB in the entire game? Using Veil of Blades? hahahahaha not worth it...

By now it's clear that you don't read what I type... You just ignore most of it and then try to minimize it but in the end you just make yourself look like a idiot. The NB class does not have the highest single target DPS however it beats the sorc to the ground in AOE-dps. The NB can provide off-heal in dungeons running without a healer.

And let me try to explain this again about master architect: The NB has by far the highest ultimate re-gen of the classes and this makes it very useful for the set called master architect "When you use an Ultimate ability, you and the closest 2 allies within 28 meters of you gain Major Slayer for 10 seconds, increasing your damage done to Dungeons and Trials Monsters by 15%.". If you still wanna stay in you fantasy world that's ok, HF.

Still not *** worth it as a dps... The only valid points are the AoE dmg but at the end what matters is single target dmg; and the off-healing, I like to do Vet Dungeons without a healer because its faster and my funnel health + refreshing path are more than enough for sustaining healing in 4-Player content, that way we can run 3 dps 1 tank.

And also I know what Master Architect do, but what happend if I dont give 2 *** about using it and just want to use a raw dmg set. Of course with Soul Harvest you can mantain the Major Slayer buff almost the entire time but I repeat, what happend if I dont want to use that set...

My point is, NB suppose to be a dps class and the utility as a MagBlade doesnt compensate the lack of dps. Just becuse I heal myself and my team while doing dmg, doesnt mean my dmg have to be much more lower than a Sorc in raw numbers because Im providing utility.

I still think MagBlade is the best playstyle for soloing the entire game, but I just want more raw dmg numbers in pvp/pve, at least closer to a Sorc.

Unbuffed pve/soloing:

Like I said the NB can provide off-heal in dungeons, yes running 3 dds. And sure single target is the most important, never said something else.

About the Master Architect; Why are you so close minded? If you have a NB next to your sorc, using it, your own dps will increase same with the another sorc also standing with you. It's about group play and if you can have 1 NB running this setup in a group you will increase the total group dps. This simply means that yes, the NB can compensate for the lower DPS.

I never argued with you that the NB have higher dps then a sorc.

BigBadVolk

The mageblade will be behind the magsorc but not by much if you play it right.
Also magblade can be be supportive (I mean he can off heal if your group doesnt have the good enough healers). Also count in that with Magblade it will be harder to get high deeps than with sorc.

But it all depends which class you enjoy the most