Procs sets do not have their place in battlegrounds

Wrubius_Coronaria

Because they are way too strong, because of lack damages reduction from champion points. Because of lower maximum health and less effective healing in general.

This is getting worst with sigil power available sometimes. You can't counter that, especially in medium armor (wich in my opinion need a serious rework, but that's another subject. And it is normal to be debuffed to zero armor and fight like if you wear absolutely nothing?), the amount of incoming damages is suddenly very high when you are hit by 2 procs at the same time (no need to mention when ravaging health poison also proc with that if equiped by your opponent of course).

I really hope in the future you will remove them from non cp battlegrounds or make significant changes about them, they're destroying all fun actually and they're turning the battleground experience in something very unpleasant.

I'd like to precise, i'm not a beginner in pvp, my main character is grand overord. I can't imagine how battleground can be a nightmare for new players.
And please, keep this discussion constructive.

leepalmer95

I'm confused when people say procs are stronger in non cp than cp.

In non cp you don't have cp so you lose cp reduction stars.

But in cp procs are buffed by master at arms + mighty/elemental. I think they're buffed by master at arms because my viper tooltip is 9.2k in non cp.

Thats 2, 3 if the procs is a type of dot.

Sure you can get the same defensive stars but theres more defensive stars needed than there is offensive, resistance + dot reduction etc..

My selene has an 17k tooltip..


I agree they are broke, but they're broke in cp and non cp.

olsborg

Proccsets dont belong in pvp...period.

SanTii.92

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I'm confused when people say procs are stronger in non cp than cp.

In non cp you don't have cp so you lose cp reduction stars.

But in cp procs are buffed by master at arms + mighty/elemental. I think they're buffed by master at arms because my viper tooltip is 9.2k in non cp.

Thats 2, 3 if the procs is a type of dot.

Sure you can get the same defensive stars but theres more defensive stars needed than there is offensive, resistance + dot reduction etc..

My selene has an 17k tooltip..


I agree they are broke, but they're broke in cp and non cp.

Because while procs do indeed scale with cps, they don't with max pool / spell or weapon dmge.

And this is exactly what they need to finlly be balanced. An aggressive scaling that will nerfed them for tanks and in no Cp.

Valencer

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I'm confused when people say procs are stronger in non cp than cp.

In non cp you don't have cp so you lose cp reduction stars.

But in cp procs are buffed by master at arms + mighty/elemental. I think they're buffed by master at arms because my viper tooltip is 9.2k in non cp.

Thats 2, 3 if the procs is a type of dot.

Sure you can get the same defensive stars but theres more defensive stars needed than there is offensive, resistance + dot reduction etc..

My selene has an 17k tooltip..


I agree they are broke, but they're broke in cp and non cp.

The damage reduction and damage bonus CP stars cancel each other out, mostly. The real difference is that in no-CP everyone has less max health and weaker healing, making it that much more lethal when people melt through chunks of your health...

Theyre also crazy powerful in CP PvP though, especially as a Xv1 tool. It's just bad game design and shouldnt be a thing.

Wrubius_Coronaria

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I'm confused when people say procs are stronger in non cp than cp.

In non cp you don't have cp so you lose cp reduction stars.

But in cp procs are buffed by master at arms + mighty/elemental. I think they're buffed by master at arms because my viper tooltip is 9.2k in non cp.

Thats 2, 3 if the procs is a type of dot.

Sure you can get the same defensive stars but theres more defensive stars needed than there is offensive, resistance + dot reduction etc..

My selene has an 17k tooltip..


I agree they are broke, but they're broke in cp and non cp.

I've explained why they're stronger in non cp pvp. And @Valencer did it too. Less max health, less healing for example. (but also others stats).

To be honest, these sets are a total disaster, I hope one day, we'll get rid of these things.

Nyghthowler

I hope they will finally totally separate PvE and PvP mechanics. Completely.

GeorgeBlack

If you wear a proc armor to deal damage to your enemies, while stacking stamina regen to spam roll dodge and vigor (with shuffle active) in order to defend, you know you are useless.

If you think that you can't dps in PvE without a proc set, you know you are useless.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

Proctatoes
Tumourscale

KingJ

Just reduce proc set damage by additional 200% in PVP using Battle sprit which will make them balanced.

BigES

Don't even need to read your post. Agree.

Judas Helviaryn

getemshauna

http://imgur.com/a/v2zo0
Heavy armour

Gilvoth

i hope they remove proc sets from eso, i really do. proc set ruin PvP.

Wrubius_Coronaria

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Almost funny, but you totally missed the point there.

Jamascus

bump, remove proc sets from the game.

Ahzek

gethemshauna wrote: »

http://imgur.com/a/v2zo0
Heavy armour

'tis called 100% dmg buff.

Procc sets are still disgusting though.

kongkim

I like proc sets and think they are fun

Insandros

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i hope they remove proc sets from eso, i really do. proc set ruin PvP.

PvPers crying are what ruined your little pvp.

Doctordarkspawn

Shazah wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Almost funny, but you totally missed the point there.

Not really.

PVP will never be balanced. The second you accept that, the second you realize that threads like this are pointless. You only hurt balance in other area's of the game (AKA, PVE, which has had to suffer for this even today with the morrowind nerfs, clearly ment for PVP balance) and you get no closer to a better experience. Because a competative system will allways be exploitable, with this many variables.

psypanda

gethemshauna wrote: »

http://imgur.com/a/v2zo0
Heavy armour

@Kr3do

olsborg

Valencer wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I'm confused when people say procs are stronger in non cp than cp.

In non cp you don't have cp so you lose cp reduction stars.

But in cp procs are buffed by master at arms + mighty/elemental. I think they're buffed by master at arms because my viper tooltip is 9.2k in non cp.

Thats 2, 3 if the procs is a type of dot.

Sure you can get the same defensive stars but theres more defensive stars needed than there is offensive, resistance + dot reduction etc..

My selene has an 17k tooltip..


I agree they are broke, but they're broke in cp and non cp.

Theyre also crazy powerful in CP PvP though, especially as a Xv1 tool. It's just bad game design and shouldnt be a thing.

Yes, this is a good point. Lets say 3 ppl manage to land a gapclose on you and all those 3 are using 2 proccsets. You will get hit by all 3 gapclosers and 2x3 proccests...all in one impact. Its asenine.

CavalryPK

gethemshauna wrote: »

http://imgur.com/a/v2zo0
Heavy armour

Make cyrodiil grate again!

Juhasow

Shazah wrote: »

Because they are way too strong, because of lack damages reduction from champion points. Because of lower maximum health and less effective healing in general.

This is getting worst with sigil power available sometimes. You can't counter that, especially in medium armor (wich in my opinion need a serious rework, but that's another subject. And it is normal to be debuffed to zero armor and fight like if you wear absolutely nothing?), the amount of incoming damages is suddenly very high when you are hit by 2 procs at the same time (no need to mention when ravaging health poison also proc with that if equiped by your opponent of course).

I really hope in the future you will remove them from non cp battlegrounds or make significant changes about them, they're destroying all fun actually and they're turning the battleground experience in something very unpleasant.

I'd like to precise, i'm not a beginner in pvp, my main character is grand overord. I can't imagine how battleground can be a nightmare for new players.
And please, keep this discussion constructive.

In CP pvP proc sets hits even higher because yes You have Cp to reduce their dmg but also Cp to increase it. Power sigil is stupid and gives too big adventage for 1 of the group especially at the opening of a match which is sometimes important because if teams melt every other enemie and holds the ground it's valuable adventage. Main problem with proc sets is that when You remove them totally You create a window for unkillable builds because sometiems proc sets are only way to deal with it. That was proc sets that allowed to deal with heavy armor healbots at days of their glory. Proc sets are just part of bigger ballance issues this game have. About new players actually I've seen lately more and more of them running copy-pasted builds with proc sets.

pugyourself

I like the changes overall. That said, we all knew that proc sets would become massively OP if they weren't included as part of the changes. If the current changes went into place and proc sets were removed/nerfed into oblivion, these changes would be excellent for the game. For whatever reason, they forgot the last piece of the puzzle.

Voxicity

Proc sets

Kr3do

psypanda wrote: »

gethemshauna wrote: »

http://imgur.com/a/v2zo0
Heavy armour

@Kr3do

yikes

Kalante

Last patch you could go full tank and let procs do all the damage. Now this patch is go full regen and let procs do all the work. You get around balancing with them way too easy. Proc sets have no place in PvP at all.

malchior

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

If you wear a proc armor to deal damage to your enemies, while stacking stamina regen to spam roll dodge and vigor (with shuffle active) in order to defend, you know you are useless.

If you think that you can't dps in PvE without a proc set, you know you are useless.

+1

Speaks the truth.

wolfxspice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtP4ubdSseM
proc sets are gross