Sorc gearing, best in slot?

DEATHquidox

So I'm trying to figure out what sets are best to run with my sorc if I've got my sustain down with lich

I'm looking at julianos and burning spell weave with either engine guardian or blood spawn if I got engine guardian I want to put everything imprenable and spell damage glyphs on jewelry

I'm not sure if I want to run a staff yet tho I know burning spell weave will be really good but julianos is always up.

I guess if you always have ur pressure up and with a spammable skill that applies fire and light attacks and heavys

My plan is to tank pretty nicely while doing a good amount of damage I'm still deciding on weather I should go dw rn or just go to staff

With dw I would run curse frags entrophy wrath and maybe det/something else here

With my staff I would run cruse frags wrath hardened ward destro staff ablility

Back bar would have the resto staff ult and front bar would be either Atro negate or destro ult

Plan is to be tanky as possible without getting rid of any damage, I want to withstand anything thrown at me then light the gas up on them before they can react their dead because they tried to beat on me and lost all their resources

I'd like some feed back on the gear, obviously don't use bsw if I don't have a fire staff.

Thanks for the comments let me know what would be good to put with DW besides det I can't think of anything

dpencil1

Have you looked around Youtube? There are an abundance of new build videos out for PvP mSorc.

Honestly, it sounds like you want more than is reasonable. You're not going to be super tanky with BSW and Lich, for example. If you craft Julianos in heavy, you'll get more resistances but lose out on Light Armor passives, which will hurt your overall damage and sustain. The mSorc's main defense is shields, which has nothing to do with resistances and everything to do with max magicka. So do you want to pump up max magicka for bigger shields or sacrifice shield size for more resistances with heavy armor. You're going to have to make sacrifices somewhere, otherwise we really would be broken OP.

Also, with either of those set pairings you have no stamina management. Is that something you care about? Good players know to CC sorcs on cooldown to eat their tiny stam pool until they can't break free anymore to reshield. That's why you'll see so many people talking about Amberplasm and Shacklebreaker. It's a way of boosting stamina so that people trying to counter sorcs with CC will fail. But you will sacrifice a lot of base damage by going that route, making the precision timing of burst all the more critical.

I think you ought to settle your build plan in your own mind first. No one can tell you which playstyle will suit you better. Staff vs DW? Big shields vs Big resistance? Stam management, playing the long drain game, or YOLO with massive damage? You can't have it all.

seedubsrun

Seems like you're talking about PvP correct? Burning spellweave was nerfed and is no longer best in slot for sorcs. If you're running lich in PvP I'd personally recommend Spinners as your other 5. It really helps against the heavy armor builds and high resistances. The inferno staff would be good to front bar as a lot of the skills you would use are single target and would be buffed if using the inferno staff. Plus, the destro ulti that follows you is very powerful. Toss force pulse in there as a spammable and to proc c-frags. I'd also recommend Boundless storm on the back bar for the extra resistances if you're trying to be tanky. Engine Guardian will be nice for added sustain especially if you don't want to shield stack. If you do want that then just run a damage based monster set as the shields with CP into bastion+ Boundless will keep you alive plenty as long as you keep them up. You could also do a heavy armor build but I'm pretty unfamiliar with those. Maybe someone else would have a good suggestion?

grim_tactics

In PVP I'm running Amberplasm / Shacklebreaker with 1 Monster helm.

Hit 40k Magicka in CP campaign and the Magic regen is around 2500 buffed and Stam regen is around 1200.

Pushing 3k spell damage buffed but could be a tad higher if I changed some enchants around.

All in all I enjoy this build as I have no sustain issues and it's very versatile.

I've tried changing but I keep coming back to this set up.

DEATHquidox

seedubsrun wrote: »

Seems like you're talking about PvP correct? Burning spellweave was nerfed and is no longer best in slot for sorcs. If you're running lich in PvP I'd personally recommend Spinners as your other 5. It really helps against the heavy armor builds and high resistances. The inferno staff would be good to front bar as a lot of the skills you would use are single target and would be buffed if using the inferno staff. Plus, the destro ulti that follows you is very powerful. Toss force pulse in there as a spammable and to proc c-frags. I'd also recommend Boundless storm on the back bar for the extra resistances if you're trying to be tanky. Engine Guardian will be nice for added sustain especially if you don't want to shield stack. If you do want that then just run a damage based monster set as the shields with CP into bastion+ Boundless will keep you alive plenty as long as you keep them up. You could also do a heavy armor build but I'm pretty unfamiliar with those. Maybe someone else would have a good suggestion?

Thanks for such a great reply I'll have to look up spinners I haven't been around to see it really I left coming back in a few days probably gotta get a PS4 again I'll look into spinners def I think Ima go mKena helm and shoulders

I was planning on using mines 3 shields and boundless but I might just go with 2 shields and use entrophy for the extra damage output

I might trade out mines for something else and use the overload ult and use some extra skills in there to

The plan is to be tanky for pvp yes and be able to provide constant damage I want to keep my pressure really high without having to spam a lot of abilities but I def want steak in there to so I'll have to figure it out I think I'll put mines on overload bar have streak boundless hardend ward healing and either harness or entrophy (depending on what I see fit resto ult is cheap and can provide plenty of healing while using 2 shields so I'm not worried about that) I'll play with it when I get in game to) I might look into some other sets as well depending on what gives me what but I plan on playing in bgs a lot so I'm not truly worried about cp as much i want to be able to sustain and run without cp so when I get cp I just murder

My cp set up will not focus on any sustain just damage and resistances

The reason being is because I will already have my sustain down I could add a little sustain but not much is need in my opinion heavy attacks give a lot of magicka back so just weave one in every few skills. My plan is to streak threw people and hit with a frag so they can't block it or dodge roll from it they have to eat it

DEATHquidox

dpencil1 wrote: »

Have you looked around Youtube? There are an abundance of new build videos out for PvP mSorc.

Honestly, it sounds like you want more than is reasonable. You're not going to be super tanky with BSW and Lich, for example. If you craft Julianos in heavy, you'll get more resistances but lose out on Light Armor passives, which will hurt your overall damage and sustain. The mSorc's main defense is shields, which has nothing to do with resistances and everything to do with max magicka. So do you want to pump up max magicka for bigger shields or sacrifice shield size for more resistances with heavy armor. You're going to have to make sacrifices somewhere, otherwise we really would be broken OP.

Also, with either of those set pairings you have no stamina management. Is that something you care about? Good players know to CC sorcs on cooldown to eat their tiny stam pool until they can't break free anymore to reshield. That's why you'll see so many people talking about Amberplasm and Shacklebreaker. It's a way of boosting stamina so that people trying to counter sorcs with CC will fail. But you will sacrifice a lot of base damage by going that route, making the precision timing of burst all the more critical.

I think you ought to settle your build plan in your own mind first. No one can tell you which playstyle will suit you better. Staff vs DW? Big shields vs Big resistance? Stam management, playing the long drain game, or YOLO with massive damage? You can't have it all.

I've been playing a msorc sense release Ik how to play one and I'm not going into heavy I always stay light when I have a magicka build

I'll figure out the gear set I'll come back and show you want I'm talking about

I found a build I want to imitate but I don't want his exact gear set up nor do I want part of his play style I want to focus more aggressively then just avoiding a lot of damage because you have to be aggressive in pvp or you will get murdered the only way to be agressive is if you can make them eat damage and the only want to do that is streak the guy in the vid was using ball of lighting I don't want ball it's not worth it to me honestly

2.5 secs when I can streak threw someone do 5k damage to everyone around it and hit someone with a frag and curse wrath goes off and I can dawnbreaker or anything else I want to unleash to destroy with the finish.

I plan on using tri pots but to be extremely honest with you I don't use pots a lot in combat I do sometimes when I need it but shields resto ult and resistances and what not make it out to not really need pots and with heavy attacks giving back so much magicka there's no need for magicka pots really I use them but I'm mostly going to use immovable pots with Stam reign and health and stam

It's all about how you play your build in my opinion

DEATHquidox

grim_tactics wrote: »

In PVP I'm running Amberplasm / Shacklebreaker with 1 Monster helm.

Hit 40k Magicka in CP campaign and the Magic regen is around 2500 buffed and Stam regen is around 1200.

Pushing 3k spell damage buffed but could be a tad higher if I changed some enchants around.

All in all I enjoy this build as I have no sustain issues and it's very versatile.

I've tried changing but I keep coming back to this set up.

But isn't there just a lot of damage missed out on?
I want to run full jewlery spell power gold glyphs with shacklebreaker or amberplasm and julianos or something else with a monster helm

Ima go rewatch this video and see what this guys set up was he had eyes of Mara I think (mages guild crafted set) might have butchered that.

Anyways I just didn't think his setup with gear was as good as it could of been but he did have really high resistances buffed he was 35% resist on both magic and physical damage

grim_tactics

DEATHquidox wrote: »

grim_tactics wrote: »

In PVP I'm running Amberplasm / Shacklebreaker with 1 Monster helm.

Hit 40k Magicka in CP campaign and the Magic regen is around 2500 buffed and Stam regen is around 1200.

Pushing 3k spell damage buffed but could be a tad higher if I changed some enchants around.

All in all I enjoy this build as I have no sustain issues and it's very versatile.

I've tried changing but I keep coming back to this set up.

But isn't there just a lot of damage missed out on?
I want to run full jewlery spell power gold glyphs with shacklebreaker or amberplasm and julianos or something else with a monster helm

Ima go rewatch this video and see what this guys set up was he had eyes of Mara I think (mages guild crafted set) might have butchered that.

Anyways I just didn't think his setup with gear was as good as it could of been but he did have really high resistances buffed he was 35% resist on both magic and physical damage

Not really. If I went full spell damage glyphs I'd still hit 2100 regen buffed and spell power would be over 3.1k. I just wanted a little bit more regen and was ok with losing a little damage.

Do what you like - but for me - having good damage and absolutely 0 regen issues is great.

DEATHquidox

grim_tactics wrote: »

DEATHquidox wrote: »

grim_tactics wrote: »

In PVP I'm running Amberplasm / Shacklebreaker with 1 Monster helm.

Hit 40k Magicka in CP campaign and the Magic regen is around 2500 buffed and Stam regen is around 1200.

Pushing 3k spell damage buffed but could be a tad higher if I changed some enchants around.

All in all I enjoy this build as I have no sustain issues and it's very versatile.

I've tried changing but I keep coming back to this set up.

But isn't there just a lot of damage missed out on?
I want to run full jewlery spell power gold glyphs with shacklebreaker or amberplasm and julianos or something else with a monster helm

Ima go rewatch this video and see what this guys set up was he had eyes of Mara I think (mages guild crafted set) might have butchered that.

Anyways I just didn't think his setup with gear was as good as it could of been but he did have really high resistances buffed he was 35% resist on both magic and physical damage

Not really. If I went full spell damage glyphs I'd still hit 2100 regen buffed and spell power would be over 3.1k. I just wanted a little bit more regen and was ok with losing a little damage.

Do what you like - but for me - having good damage and absolutely 0 regen issues is great.

I'd agree it is nice I may change things around it just has to make things easier for me

DEATHquidox

seedubsrun wrote: »

Seems like you're talking about PvP correct? Burning spellweave was nerfed and is no longer best in slot for sorcs. If you're running lich in PvP I'd personally recommend Spinners as your other 5. It really helps against the heavy armor builds and high resistances. The inferno staff would be good to front bar as a lot of the skills you would use are single target and would be buffed if using the inferno staff. Plus, the destro ulti that follows you is very powerful. Toss force pulse in there as a spammable and to proc c-frags. I'd also recommend Boundless storm on the back bar for the extra resistances if you're trying to be tanky. Engine Guardian will be nice for added sustain especially if you don't want to shield stack. If you do want that then just run a damage based monster set as the shields with CP into bastion+ Boundless will keep you alive plenty as long as you keep them up. You could also do a heavy armor build but I'm pretty unfamiliar with those. Maybe someone else would have a good suggestion?

Okay I found what I want to run I'm going with 5x lich 5x spinners and skeleton monster helm or some other I plan to run mostly all spell damage glyphs with impregnable on my gear

Bar 1: destro staff
mages wrath, frags, curse, force pulse, hardened ward
ult: dawnbreaker/ meteor/eye of the storm/ overload

Bar 2: resto staff
streak, minefield, entrophy, annulment/boundless storm, healingward
Ult: lights champion

If I use engine guardian for resources I might not even need lich to be honest I'll see what happens with it. Could use engine guardian with all jewlery with magicka reign and use engine guardian and use julianos or something else there to add a lot of spell power I'll test it out once I have all the gear, I've got a lot of grinding to do

seedubsrun

DEATHquidox wrote: »

seedubsrun wrote: »

Seems like you're talking about PvP correct? Burning spellweave was nerfed and is no longer best in slot for sorcs. If you're running lich in PvP I'd personally recommend Spinners as your other 5. It really helps against the heavy armor builds and high resistances. The inferno staff would be good to front bar as a lot of the skills you would use are single target and would be buffed if using the inferno staff. Plus, the destro ulti that follows you is very powerful. Toss force pulse in there as a spammable and to proc c-frags. I'd also recommend Boundless storm on the back bar for the extra resistances if you're trying to be tanky. Engine Guardian will be nice for added sustain especially if you don't want to shield stack. If you do want that then just run a damage based monster set as the shields with CP into bastion+ Boundless will keep you alive plenty as long as you keep them up. You could also do a heavy armor build but I'm pretty unfamiliar with those. Maybe someone else would have a good suggestion?

Okay I found what I want to run I'm going with 5x lich 5x spinners and skeleton monster helm or some other I plan to run mostly all spell damage glyphs with impregnable on my gear

Bar 1: destro staff
mages wrath, frags, curse, force pulse, hardened ward
ult: dawnbreaker/ meteor/eye of the storm/ overload

Bar 2: resto staff
streak, minefield, entrophy, annulment/boundless storm, healingward
Ult: lights champion

If I use engine guardian for resources I might not even need lich to be honest I'll see what happens with it. Could use engine guardian with all jewlery with magicka reign and use engine guardian and use julianos or something else there to add a lot of spell power I'll test it out once I have all the gear, I've got a lot of grinding to do

Nice, I think you'll enjoy that build. It's a bit tough to win long fights but when you get good with it you'll burst players down real nicely. Might also consider Grothdar and Infernal Guardian as well. Popping your shields a lot will proc Infernal a ton. It's nice when you're running solo or with a small group. if you get in with a big group, Grothdar is awesome damage. I'll fire off Boundless storm, pop my destro ulti, streak into a mob, and when Grothdar procs your damage is insane.

Irylia

seedubsrun wrote: »

Seems like you're talking about PvP correct? Burning spellweave was nerfed and is no longer best in slot for sorcs. If you're running lich in PvP I'd personally recommend Spinners as your other 5. It really helps against the heavy armor builds and high resistances. The inferno staff would be good to front bar as a lot of the skills you would use are single target and would be buffed if using the inferno staff. Plus, the destro ulti that follows you is very powerful. Toss force pulse in there as a spammable and to proc c-frags. I'd also recommend Boundless storm on the back bar for the extra resistances if you're trying to be tanky. Engine Guardian will be nice for added sustain especially if you don't want to shield stack. If you do want that then just run a damage based monster set as the shields with CP into bastion+ Boundless will keep you alive plenty as long as you keep them up. You could also do a heavy armor build but I'm pretty unfamiliar with those. Maybe someone else would have a good suggestion?

Bsw is still strong. It only lost 75 base spell damage and 5% chance to proc. Still does more damage vs all 3 targets than spinners
Light/medium
Heavy
Shields

Bsw lich pirate skeleton
Tanky dmg and sustain

DEATHquidox wrote: »

seedubsrun wrote: »

Seems like you're talking about PvP correct? Burning spellweave was nerfed and is no longer best in slot for sorcs. If you're running lich in PvP I'd personally recommend Spinners as your other 5. It really helps against the heavy armor builds and high resistances. The inferno staff would be good to front bar as a lot of the skills you would use are single target and would be buffed if using the inferno staff. Plus, the destro ulti that follows you is very powerful. Toss force pulse in there as a spammable and to proc c-frags. I'd also recommend Boundless storm on the back bar for the extra resistances if you're trying to be tanky. Engine Guardian will be nice for added sustain especially if you don't want to shield stack. If you do want that then just run a damage based monster set as the shields with CP into bastion+ Boundless will keep you alive plenty as long as you keep them up. You could also do a heavy armor build but I'm pretty unfamiliar with those. Maybe someone else would have a good suggestion?

Okay I found what I want to run I'm going with 5x lich 5x spinners and skeleton monster helm or some other I plan to run mostly all spell damage glyphs with impregnable on my gear

Bar 1: destro staff
mages wrath, frags, curse, force pulse, hardened ward
ult: dawnbreaker/ meteor/eye of the storm/ overload

Bar 2: resto staff
streak, minefield, entrophy, annulment/boundless storm, healingward
Ult: lights champion

If I use engine guardian for resources I might not even need lich to be honest I'll see what happens with it. Could use engine guardian with all jewlery with magicka reign and use engine guardian and use julianos or something else there to add a lot of spell power I'll test it out once I have all the gear, I've got a lot of grinding to do

Currently using
5x shackle
5x Amber
Shadow
Vma inferno
Defending resto w/ beserk enchant
Witchmothers
Prismatic glyph on chest + pants

Before morrowind I exclusively ran bsw lich 1x kena/infernal vma inferno. Shadow mundus.

If you get a bsw sharp you can run 2x pirate skel instead which was bis
Recovery is harder now though

i dislike spinners
You over pen
Can't pen on shields
Or don't do as much damage to tankier players as you would by running bsw

To each his own

seedubsrun

Irylia wrote: »

seedubsrun wrote: »

Seems like you're talking about PvP correct? Burning spellweave was nerfed and is no longer best in slot for sorcs. If you're running lich in PvP I'd personally recommend Spinners as your other 5. It really helps against the heavy armor builds and high resistances. The inferno staff would be good to front bar as a lot of the skills you would use are single target and would be buffed if using the inferno staff. Plus, the destro ulti that follows you is very powerful. Toss force pulse in there as a spammable and to proc c-frags. I'd also recommend Boundless storm on the back bar for the extra resistances if you're trying to be tanky. Engine Guardian will be nice for added sustain especially if you don't want to shield stack. If you do want that then just run a damage based monster set as the shields with CP into bastion+ Boundless will keep you alive plenty as long as you keep them up. You could also do a heavy armor build but I'm pretty unfamiliar with those. Maybe someone else would have a good suggestion?

Bsw is still strong. It only lost 75 base spell damage and 5% chance to proc. Still does more damage vs all 3 targets than spinners
Light/medium
Heavy
Shields

Bsw lich pirate skeleton
Tanky dmg and sustain

DEATHquidox wrote: »

seedubsrun wrote: »

Seems like you're talking about PvP correct? Burning spellweave was nerfed and is no longer best in slot for sorcs. If you're running lich in PvP I'd personally recommend Spinners as your other 5. It really helps against the heavy armor builds and high resistances. The inferno staff would be good to front bar as a lot of the skills you would use are single target and would be buffed if using the inferno staff. Plus, the destro ulti that follows you is very powerful. Toss force pulse in there as a spammable and to proc c-frags. I'd also recommend Boundless storm on the back bar for the extra resistances if you're trying to be tanky. Engine Guardian will be nice for added sustain especially if you don't want to shield stack. If you do want that then just run a damage based monster set as the shields with CP into bastion+ Boundless will keep you alive plenty as long as you keep them up. You could also do a heavy armor build but I'm pretty unfamiliar with those. Maybe someone else would have a good suggestion?

Okay I found what I want to run I'm going with 5x lich 5x spinners and skeleton monster helm or some other I plan to run mostly all spell damage glyphs with impregnable on my gear

Bar 1: destro staff
mages wrath, frags, curse, force pulse, hardened ward
ult: dawnbreaker/ meteor/eye of the storm/ overload

Bar 2: resto staff
streak, minefield, entrophy, annulment/boundless storm, healingward
Ult: lights champion

If I use engine guardian for resources I might not even need lich to be honest I'll see what happens with it. Could use engine guardian with all jewlery with magicka reign and use engine guardian and use julianos or something else there to add a lot of spell power I'll test it out once I have all the gear, I've got a lot of grinding to do

Currently using
5x shackle
5x Amber
Shadow
Vma inferno
Defending resto w/ beserk enchant
Witchmothers
Prismatic glyph on chest + pants

Before morrowind I exclusively ran bsw lich 1x kena/infernal vma inferno. Shadow mundus.

If you get a bsw sharp you can run 2x pirate skel instead which was bis
Recovery is harder now though

i dislike spinners
You over pen
Can't pen on shields
Or don't do as much damage to tankier players as you would by running bsw

To each his own

Agreed. BSW is still really good especially for MagDKs. OP just asked for BIS gear and since the nerf it's not for sorcs anymore. I think scathing took that slot for PvE builds at least. I like your current setup. I'll bet shackle and amber is sweet together.

DEATHquidox

seedubsrun wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

seedubsrun wrote: »

Seems like you're talking about PvP correct? Burning spellweave was nerfed and is no longer best in slot for sorcs. If you're running lich in PvP I'd personally recommend Spinners as your other 5. It really helps against the heavy armor builds and high resistances. The inferno staff would be good to front bar as a lot of the skills you would use are single target and would be buffed if using the inferno staff. Plus, the destro ulti that follows you is very powerful. Toss force pulse in there as a spammable and to proc c-frags. I'd also recommend Boundless storm on the back bar for the extra resistances if you're trying to be tanky. Engine Guardian will be nice for added sustain especially if you don't want to shield stack. If you do want that then just run a damage based monster set as the shields with CP into bastion+ Boundless will keep you alive plenty as long as you keep them up. You could also do a heavy armor build but I'm pretty unfamiliar with those. Maybe someone else would have a good suggestion?

Bsw is still strong. It only lost 75 base spell damage and 5% chance to proc. Still does more damage vs all 3 targets than spinners
Light/medium
Heavy
Shields

Bsw lich pirate skeleton
Tanky dmg and sustain

DEATHquidox wrote: »

seedubsrun wrote: »

Seems like you're talking about PvP correct? Burning spellweave was nerfed and is no longer best in slot for sorcs. If you're running lich in PvP I'd personally recommend Spinners as your other 5. It really helps against the heavy armor builds and high resistances. The inferno staff would be good to front bar as a lot of the skills you would use are single target and would be buffed if using the inferno staff. Plus, the destro ulti that follows you is very powerful. Toss force pulse in there as a spammable and to proc c-frags. I'd also recommend Boundless storm on the back bar for the extra resistances if you're trying to be tanky. Engine Guardian will be nice for added sustain especially if you don't want to shield stack. If you do want that then just run a damage based monster set as the shields with CP into bastion+ Boundless will keep you alive plenty as long as you keep them up. You could also do a heavy armor build but I'm pretty unfamiliar with those. Maybe someone else would have a good suggestion?

Okay I found what I want to run I'm going with 5x lich 5x spinners and skeleton monster helm or some other I plan to run mostly all spell damage glyphs with impregnable on my gear

Bar 1: destro staff
mages wrath, frags, curse, force pulse, hardened ward
ult: dawnbreaker/ meteor/eye of the storm/ overload

Bar 2: resto staff
streak, minefield, entrophy, annulment/boundless storm, healingward
Ult: lights champion

If I use engine guardian for resources I might not even need lich to be honest I'll see what happens with it. Could use engine guardian with all jewlery with magicka reign and use engine guardian and use julianos or something else there to add a lot of spell power I'll test it out once I have all the gear, I've got a lot of grinding to do

Currently using
5x shackle
5x Amber
Shadow
Vma inferno
Defending resto w/ beserk enchant
Witchmothers
Prismatic glyph on chest + pants

Before morrowind I exclusively ran bsw lich 1x kena/infernal vma inferno. Shadow mundus.

If you get a bsw sharp you can run 2x pirate skel instead which was bis
Recovery is harder now though

i dislike spinners
You over pen
Can't pen on shields
Or don't do as much damage to tankier players as you would by running bsw

To each his own

Agreed. BSW is still really good especially for MagDKs. OP just asked for BIS gear and since the nerf it's not for sorcs anymore. I think scathing took that slot for PvE builds at least. I like your current setup. I'll bet shackle and amber is sweet together.

To me amber and shackle together is to much going off to one place, a lot of damage would be missed there, I'd probably run amber and julianos with kena and see how that plays out or maybe even bloodspawn because of the extra resistances and I'll always have resto ult up

DEATHquidox

Irylia wrote: »

seedubsrun wrote: »

Seems like you're talking about PvP correct? Burning spellweave was nerfed and is no longer best in slot for sorcs. If you're running lich in PvP I'd personally recommend Spinners as your other 5. It really helps against the heavy armor builds and high resistances. The inferno staff would be good to front bar as a lot of the skills you would use are single target and would be buffed if using the inferno staff. Plus, the destro ulti that follows you is very powerful. Toss force pulse in there as a spammable and to proc c-frags. I'd also recommend Boundless storm on the back bar for the extra resistances if you're trying to be tanky. Engine Guardian will be nice for added sustain especially if you don't want to shield stack. If you do want that then just run a damage based monster set as the shields with CP into bastion+ Boundless will keep you alive plenty as long as you keep them up. You could also do a heavy armor build but I'm pretty unfamiliar with those. Maybe someone else would have a good suggestion?

Bsw is still strong. It only lost 75 base spell damage and 5% chance to proc. Still does more damage vs all 3 targets than spinners
Light/medium
Heavy
Shields

Bsw lich pirate skeleton
Tanky dmg and sustain

DEATHquidox wrote: »

seedubsrun wrote: »

Seems like you're talking about PvP correct? Burning spellweave was nerfed and is no longer best in slot for sorcs. If you're running lich in PvP I'd personally recommend Spinners as your other 5. It really helps against the heavy armor builds and high resistances. The inferno staff would be good to front bar as a lot of the skills you would use are single target and would be buffed if using the inferno staff. Plus, the destro ulti that follows you is very powerful. Toss force pulse in there as a spammable and to proc c-frags. I'd also recommend Boundless storm on the back bar for the extra resistances if you're trying to be tanky. Engine Guardian will be nice for added sustain especially if you don't want to shield stack. If you do want that then just run a damage based monster set as the shields with CP into bastion+ Boundless will keep you alive plenty as long as you keep them up. You could also do a heavy armor build but I'm pretty unfamiliar with those. Maybe someone else would have a good suggestion?

Okay I found what I want to run I'm going with 5x lich 5x spinners and skeleton monster helm or some other I plan to run mostly all spell damage glyphs with impregnable on my gear

Bar 1: destro staff
mages wrath, frags, curse, force pulse, hardened ward
ult: dawnbreaker/ meteor/eye of the storm/ overload

Bar 2: resto staff
streak, minefield, entrophy, annulment/boundless storm, healingward
Ult: lights champion

If I use engine guardian for resources I might not even need lich to be honest I'll see what happens with it. Could use engine guardian with all jewlery with magicka reign and use engine guardian and use julianos or something else there to add a lot of spell power I'll test it out once I have all the gear, I've got a lot of grinding to do

Currently using
5x shackle
5x Amber
Shadow
Vma inferno
Defending resto w/ beserk enchant
Witchmothers
Prismatic glyph on chest + pants

Before morrowind I exclusively ran bsw lich 1x kena/infernal vma inferno. Shadow mundus.

If you get a bsw sharp you can run 2x pirate skel instead which was bis
Recovery is harder now though

i dislike spinners
You over pen
Can't pen on shields
Or don't do as much damage to tankier players as you would by running bsw

To each his own

I didn't know it dosnt change damage to shields, meh pass on that then, I'll see if I cant find a really good set for what I want to do with my build I want to be ready for when I come back just go farm the gear and pvp like a boss

seedubsrun

I was going to suggest checking out SypherPK now that he's back playing but I looked and he recommends pretty much the same thing I did. I'm sure you'll find something that works for your play style.

In defense of Spinner's for PvP though...Yeah it doesn't affect shields but sorcerers are really the only ones with shields you need to worry about due to the stacking which gives huge shields and any other class with shields are usually a lot smaller. Most of the rest of the builds you'd encounter are high resistance or heavy armor which Spinner's is great against. You'd just need to approach a high shield sorc differently. Use the low stamina pool against them by CCing their pool out so they can't break free to cast the shield or use bone pirate for your monster set and out live them while they burn their magicka. Use immovability pots to nullify some of that on yourself.

Amber and julianos could work nicely or amber and twice-born. You'd just want to use dark conversion with the extra stamina builds to always have magicka.

Let me know what you end up going with. I like trying out new things all the time and love out of the box ideas. maybe you'll give me some inspiration

Jurand80

I'd love to try out tbs+amber.attro+thief. just need that amber neck...

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Dont over think it. For PVP you generalyl want a damage set and a sustain set.

Good Damage Sets: Spinner, BSW, Julianos, Necro (with pets), Netch, and perhaps some of the newer ones like War Maiden or even Knightslayer if going for a heavy attack build.

Good Regen Sets: Lich, Amber, Plasm, Seducer (if you want to go heavy).

A lot of sorcs that run 2 sets like to have them so they get the 5 piece on seperate bars. For example, you would have a spinner staff on front bar, and a lich staff on back bar. This allows you to also run a 2 piece monster set. Pirate Skeleton is strong if look for tankiness, Infernal Guardian can add DPS to a shield stacker, Engine guardian (perhaps not my favorite) but useful for resrources. Ilambris, Grothdar, and Skoria are all viable as well for more damage.

SanTii.92

Red Mountain

DEATHquidox

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Dont over think it. For PVP you generalyl want a damage set and a sustain set.

Good Damage Sets: Spinner, BSW, Julianos, Necro (with pets), Netch, and perhaps some of the newer ones like War Maiden or even Knightslayer if going for a heavy attack build.

Good Regen Sets: Lich, Amber, Plasm, Seducer (if you want to go heavy).

A lot of sorcs that run 2 sets like to have them so they get the 5 piece on seperate bars. For example, you would have a spinner staff on front bar, and a lich staff on back bar. This allows you to also run a 2 piece monster set. Pirate Skeleton is strong if look for tankiness, Infernal Guardian can add DPS to a shield stacker, Engine guardian (perhaps not my favorite) but useful for resrources. Ilambris, Grothdar, and Skoria are all viable as well for more damage.

Yeah I think Ima run lich and spinners and see how that goes and if that doesn't work out for me I'll switch it up a bit. I think Ima go with pirate skell if not that then blood spawn for the extra resistances

Oreyn_Bearclaw

DEATHquidox wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Dont over think it. For PVP you generalyl want a damage set and a sustain set.

Good Damage Sets: Spinner, BSW, Julianos, Necro (with pets), Netch, and perhaps some of the newer ones like War Maiden or even Knightslayer if going for a heavy attack build.

Good Regen Sets: Lich, Amber, Plasm, Seducer (if you want to go heavy).

A lot of sorcs that run 2 sets like to have them so they get the 5 piece on seperate bars. For example, you would have a spinner staff on front bar, and a lich staff on back bar. This allows you to also run a 2 piece monster set. Pirate Skeleton is strong if look for tankiness, Infernal Guardian can add DPS to a shield stacker, Engine guardian (perhaps not my favorite) but useful for resrources. Ilambris, Grothdar, and Skoria are all viable as well for more damage.

Yeah I think Ima run lich and spinners and see how that goes and if that doesn't work out for me I'll switch it up a bit. I think Ima go with pirate skell if not that then blood spawn for the extra resistances

You are describing my build exactly. It was Meta'ish for a while. Amber plasm might have taken over, but I think Spinner/Lich is very strong.

DEATHquidox

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

DEATHquidox wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Dont over think it. For PVP you generalyl want a damage set and a sustain set.

Good Damage Sets: Spinner, BSW, Julianos, Necro (with pets), Netch, and perhaps some of the newer ones like War Maiden or even Knightslayer if going for a heavy attack build.

Good Regen Sets: Lich, Amber, Plasm, Seducer (if you want to go heavy).

A lot of sorcs that run 2 sets like to have them so they get the 5 piece on seperate bars. For example, you would have a spinner staff on front bar, and a lich staff on back bar. This allows you to also run a 2 piece monster set. Pirate Skeleton is strong if look for tankiness, Infernal Guardian can add DPS to a shield stacker, Engine guardian (perhaps not my favorite) but useful for resrources. Ilambris, Grothdar, and Skoria are all viable as well for more damage.

Yeah I think Ima run lich and spinners and see how that goes and if that doesn't work out for me I'll switch it up a bit. I think Ima go with pirate skell if not that then blood spawn for the extra resistances

You are describing my build exactly. It was Meta'ish for a while. Amber plasm might have taken over, but I think Spinner/Lich is very strong.

Yeah I figured it would be due to the fact that I can stack spell damage with glyphs and my weapon enough the penitration willl help in every aspect and even though sorcs have shields so do I and no one can live threw a good timed meteor frags wrath curse streak combo and by the time the meteor hits he won't have a shield and that's where the spinners comes in XD

I think it will be strong and I like the tanky aspect of sorcs. This was my first character and will always be my main. For the simple reason that sorcs have a 100% different play style then every other class in the game and that's what I love about them

Lord-Otto

@Irylia
Tested on the dummy, Spinner outperformed BSW for me. I got 15k penetration with it, which barely overpenetrates medium and underpenetrates light+defending/resbuff.
IMO, Spinner is anti-stam dps, whereas BSW is anti-magicka burst (excluding HA magbuilds). Given how ridiculous the BSW grind is, I would stick with Spinner.

DEATHquidox

Lord-Otto wrote: »

@Irylia
Tested on the dummy, Spinner outperformed BSW for me. I got 15k penetration with it, which barely overpenetrates medium and underpenetrates light+defending/resbuff.
IMO, Spinner is anti-stam dps, whereas BSW is anti-magicka burst (excluding HA magbuilds). Given how ridiculous the BSW grind is, I would stick with Spinner.

That's what I thought, I plan on going full spell damage glyphs with a gold sharpened fire staff and a resto staff defending so that should keep my damage good and I plan on using entrophy and penetration buffs from cp and also recovery so I should be alright, I think I got it all figured out I just need to get the gear and put it into work. I'll be back to show my stats and how I run everything thanks for the help guys

DEATHquidox

DEATHquidox wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

@Irylia
Tested on the dummy, Spinner outperformed BSW for me. I got 15k penetration with it, which barely overpenetrates medium and underpenetrates light+defending/resbuff.
IMO, Spinner is anti-stam dps, whereas BSW is anti-magicka burst (excluding HA magbuilds). Given how ridiculous the BSW grind is, I would stick with Spinner.

Also if I can get enough champ points into the penetration tree I can get threw heavy as well and will the spell damage ontop of it