2H 2 set piece

BossXV

Have the devs said ANYTHING, regarding this recently

It only would give us more builds

I duel wield a lot okay, but I would like more viable ,2H builds

leepalmer95

No they haven't.

No they shouldn't either.

Sigtric

This would cause some crazy balance issues with out changing other things. No thanks

dennissomb16_ESO

I flip flop on this issue. It makes sense to have 2 handers count as two slots but at the same time I really dislike the thought of more proc set builds!

Sigtric

dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »

I flip flop on this issue. It makes sense to have 2 handers count as two slots but at the same time I really dislike the thought of more proc set builds!

How does it make sense? It's only one item.

murdomac101

but this game is about being able to play any style, any way, with any race. but 2hw not counting as a two set piece means players who like to use these are limited in terms of sets and either have to change their builds, or adopt DW/1HS in order to make sets work.

Aliyavana

BossXV wrote: »

Have the devs said ANYTHING, regarding this recently

It only would give us more builds

I duel wield a lot okay, but I would like more viable ,2H builds

No, only set buff I would agree with is ice staves count as 2 items

Bobby_V_Rockit

Sigtric wrote: »

dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »

I flip flop on this issue. It makes sense to have 2 handers count as two slots but at the same time I really dislike the thought of more proc set builds!

How does it make sense? It's only one item.

Because that one item is usually a monster set piece. Ordinarily a 2h build goes 5:5:1 on the sets because a single monster set piece gives a bonus, so you can still have set bonuses from all equipped gear. I run 5x NMG 5x VO and have a flex spot for the monster shoulder (bloodspawn for more stam recovery, kena for damage, kra'gh for penetration, etc.) the spot I have given up in this case is the proc part.

phbell

This has been a topic for a long time. Those that DW and S&B want it stay the way it is - probably for the added set piece it gives them. Dual-wielder and Sword/board players can run 2 full sets and as well as a 2 piece monster set. This is a clear and unfair advantage over staff and 2h players, especially when 3 proc sets can be run simultaneously.

I truly hope that ZOS gets around to setting this right.

smokey13a

phbell wrote: »

This has been a topic for a long time. Those that DW and S&B want it stay the way it is - probably for the added set piece it gives them. Dual-wielder and Sword/board players can run 2 full sets and as well as a 2 piece monster set. This is a clear and unfair advantage over staff and 2h players, especially when 3 proc sets can be run simultaneously.

I truly hope that ZOS gets around to setting this right.

your argument holds no real weight though, I mean yes you can have the extra slot on DW and S&B but just as 1 example mag dps using staffs is the highest in the game so giving them an extra slot would make them even more powerful and make the game more unbalanced, I would give a more detailed answer but I cant really be bothered as its all been said in the numerous other discussions about this.

I also have chars with all weapon types and it should stay the way it is.

BossXV

Recently a called servant of the Nine did a poll, most of the community wants 2H to be 2 set pieces

Like I said I duel wield a lot, and tank a ton, but what really turns me off from 2H is lacking a set piece, 5/5/1, not 5/5/2

smokey13a

BossXV wrote: »

Recently a called servant of the Nine did a poll, most of the community wants 2H to be 2 set pieces

what people want and how it should be are often different things.

Like I said I duel wield a lot, and tank a ton, but what really turns me off from 2H is lacking a set piece, 5/5/1, not 5/5/2

correct, they all have pros and cons, if ZOS gave an additional set bonus to 2H weapons then they would have no cons, it would be ridiculous.

the only way it might work is if they lowered the weapon/spell damage and halved the trait bonuses(eg: sharpened) of 2H weapons to be the same as a 1H weapon.

BossXV

smokey13a wrote: »

BossXV wrote: »

Recently a called servant of the Nine did a poll, most of the community wants 2H to be 2 set pieces

what people want and how it should be are often different things.

Like I said I duel wield a lot, and tank a ton, but what really turns me off from 2H is lacking a set piece, 5/5/1, not 5/5/2

correct, they all have pros and cons, if ZOS gave an additional set bonus to 2H weapons then they would have no cons, it would be ridiculous.

the only way it might work is if they lowered the weapon/spell damage and halved the trait bonuses(eg: sharpened) of 2H weapons to be the same as a 1H weapon.

well um..WELL!... uhh "2H LIVES MATTER!!!"

Sheva I 7 I

Was not with good viper this way, see it has minus and some times plus but inconsistent this way too, so maybe enchant will help but hope u dont need as it requires weird build with significant rely on proc enchant, trust me I test many times and realize that pvp is good.

Bobby_V_Rockit

smokey13a wrote: »

BossXV wrote: »

Recently a called servant of the Nine did a poll, most of the community wants 2H to be 2 set pieces

what people want and how it should be are often different things.

Like I said I duel wield a lot, and tank a ton, but what really turns me off from 2H is lacking a set piece, 5/5/1, not 5/5/2

correct, they all have pros and cons, if ZOS gave an additional set bonus to 2H weapons then they would have no cons, it would be ridiculous.

the only way it might work is if they lowered the weapon/spell damage and halved the trait bonuses(eg: sharpened) of 2H weapons to be the same as a 1H weapon.

I see your points but disagree on having the trait bonuses halved. One sharpened 2 hand has the same value as 2 sharpened dual wielders, so the traits should remain as they are, if anything 2h loses out again because it is single trait and enchantment only (i.e. Cannot run an infused weapon and a sharpened weapon similtaneously). So give 2H weapons dual traits (to the same value as DW) allow dual enchantments (eg. Increase weapon damage AND poison damage) and double the crafting costs.

DW:
Extra armour slot, weapon enchantment and trait.

2H:
Costs half as much to make/improve, looks pretty

smokey13a

BossXV wrote: »

well um..WELL!... uhh "2H LIVES MATTER!!!"

haha, best response ever(made me smile)

although for some builds you can use 2h weapons and also still effectively be using the 5,5,2 bonuses, just for an example: on a mag char if you had 3 jewelry 1 body pc and say a resto of lich, then 2 monster pc's, and then had the other 4 body pcs and destro of say war maiden you wouldn't lose the extra set bonus for using 2H weapon.

In fact if I think about it if ZOS did add the extra set bonus to 2H then builds like that example would be stupidly powerful so yeah I'm sticking with my first response and say ZOS shouldn't add the extra bonus

Mettaricana

Well either hard buff 2h to compe sate lack of sets bump wep dmg up and up the skills dmg to compensate not having a seco d sharpen weapon or set peice

Rataroto

u guys asked before, and as before:

How about no? wanna use a 2h? deal with it. more than fair.

[Edit to remove bait]

Chrlynsch

Probably should count as two... Melee should get extra slot for being closer to danger in order to build ultimate/ recharge resources/ do real damage. Range has to deal with one less slot for u know... Pew pew

Royaji

5/5/2 was never supposed to be BiS and never was it. Look every high end DD build runs either vMA or sometimes Master weapons. 5/3/2/1 is a setup available to everyone and it's actually good for 2H.

Giving 2H swords 5/5/2 setups will not solve the issue of them having a very specific burst (read PvP) oriented set of skills.

And as always. 2H weapons gives you one set bonus. Because it is one item. One is not two. Simple as that.

BossXV

Royaji wrote: »

5/5/2 was never supposed to be BiS and never was it. Look every high end DD build runs either vMA or sometimes Master weapons. 5/3/2/1 is a setup available to everyone and it's actually good for 2H.

Giving 2H swords 5/5/2 setups will not solve the issue of them having a very specific burst (read PvP) oriented set of skills.

And as always. 2H weapons gives you one set bonus. Because it is one item. One is not two. Simple as that.

How long must this war rage on, ARE YOU NOT TIRED OF THE BLOOD SHED, it is clear you all need to just surrender and say we are right

Avran_Sylt

Royaji wrote: »

5/5/2 was never supposed to be BiS and never was it. Look every high end DD build runs either vMA or sometimes Master weapons. 5/3/2/1 is a setup available to everyone and it's actually good for 2H.

Giving 2H swords 5/5/2 setups will not solve the issue of them having a very specific burst (read PvP) oriented set of skills.

And as always. 2H weapons gives you one set bonus. Because it is one item. One is not two. Simple as that.

@Royaji

Then answer me this: Why do 2-slot weapons get the bonus of 2 Traits, rather than the bonus of a single trait. Why is a sharpened greatsword or a sharpened staff +5160 Spell/wep penetration where a one handed weapon is +2580

BossXV

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

5/5/2 was never supposed to be BiS and never was it. Look every high end DD build runs either vMA or sometimes Master weapons. 5/3/2/1 is a setup available to everyone and it's actually good for 2H.

Giving 2H swords 5/5/2 setups will not solve the issue of them having a very specific burst (read PvP) oriented set of skills.

And as always. 2H weapons gives you one set bonus. Because it is one item. One is not two. Simple as that.

@Royaji

Then answer me this: Why do 2-slot weapons get the bonus of 2 Traits, rather than the bonus of a single trait. Why is a sharpened greatsword or a sharpened staff +5160 Spell/wep penetration where a one handed weapon is +2580

OHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! HE JUST CRANKES YAL'S SOULJA BOY!!!

Royaji

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

5/5/2 was never supposed to be BiS and never was it. Look every high end DD build runs either vMA or sometimes Master weapons. 5/3/2/1 is a setup available to everyone and it's actually good for 2H.

Giving 2H swords 5/5/2 setups will not solve the issue of them having a very specific burst (read PvP) oriented set of skills.

And as always. 2H weapons gives you one set bonus. Because it is one item. One is not two. Simple as that.

@Royaji

Then answer me this: Why do 2-slot weapons get the bonus of 2 Traits, rather than the bonus of a single trait. Why is a sharpened greatsword or a sharpened staff +5160 Spell/wep penetration where a one handed weapon is +2580

Since when are traits related to the amount of pieces? I believe trait is an inherent quality of an item. 2H weapons have only one trait. And 1H weapons only have one trait. One of those traits is 5160 penetration and the other one is 2580. Even though 2580x2=5160 it doesn't mean that 2H weapons have two traits.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

leepalmer95 wrote: »

No they haven't.

No they shouldn't either.

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STEVIL

murdomac101 wrote: »

but this game is about being able to play any style, any way, with any race. but 2hw not counting as a two set piece means players who like to use these are limited in terms of sets and either have to change their builds, or adopt DW/1HS in order to make sets work.

"being able to play any style, any way, with any race. " check! can do.

"being able to play any style, any way, with any race and any choices without consequences".nope, not check.

your choices matter. ]

that means they should all be ones that produce some good things and either some bad things or the loss of other good things.

I mean, yes if you choose 2h you dont get certain build options... just like if you choose selenes you dont get molag kena... or should we be able to put second and third and such monster pairs in any of our slots?

the current set issues make it so that different set options are available or good or better depending on weapons chosen and the playtest and live play since day one has been with that in play.

MoeCoastie

I have run 2h/bow for years. I can use a 2 pc monster set with staggered 5 pc armor sets. I.E. viper 2h Marksman bow. Obviously the 5pc armor bonus' cannot be active simultaniously which limits what 5pc armor sets you can use. But its very manageable. There are a ton of people who run 2 pc monster set and two 5pc armor sets while running 2h weaps. Harder? yes! Impossible? nope

Avran_Sylt

Royaji wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

5/5/2 was never supposed to be BiS and never was it. Look every high end DD build runs either vMA or sometimes Master weapons. 5/3/2/1 is a setup available to everyone and it's actually good for 2H.

Giving 2H swords 5/5/2 setups will not solve the issue of them having a very specific burst (read PvP) oriented set of skills.

And as always. 2H weapons gives you one set bonus. Because it is one item. One is not two. Simple as that.

@Royaji

Then answer me this: Why do 2-slot weapons get the bonus of 2 Traits, rather than the bonus of a single trait. Why is a sharpened greatsword or a sharpened staff +5160 Spell/wep penetration where a one handed weapon is +2580

Since when are traits related to the amount of pieces? I believe trait is an inherent quality of an item. 2H weapons have only one trait. And 1H weapons only have one trait. One of those traits is 5160 penetration and the other one is 2580. Even though 2580x2=5160 it doesn't mean that 2H weapons have two traits.

@Royaji

Why are 2H traits valued at double that of 1H ? Why are they not valued the same? They are valued the same when it comes to set pieces, so shouldn't they be valued the same when it comes to traits? When creating a sharpened greatsword, you only use one fire opal, not two, when creating a sharpened sword you use one fire opal, not 1/2 of one.

Bobby_V_Rockit

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

5/5/2 was never supposed to be BiS and never was it. Look every high end DD build runs either vMA or sometimes Master weapons. 5/3/2/1 is a setup available to everyone and it's actually good for 2H.

Giving 2H swords 5/5/2 setups will not solve the issue of them having a very specific burst (read PvP) oriented set of skills.

And as always. 2H weapons gives you one set bonus. Because it is one item. One is not two. Simple as that.

@Royaji

Then answer me this: Why do 2-slot weapons get the bonus of 2 Traits, rather than the bonus of a single trait. Why is a sharpened greatsword or a sharpened staff +5160 Spell/wep penetration where a one handed weapon is +2580

Since when are traits related to the amount of pieces? I believe trait is an inherent quality of an item. 2H weapons have only one trait. And 1H weapons only have one trait. One of those traits is 5160 penetration and the other one is 2580. Even though 2580x2=5160 it doesn't mean that 2H weapons have two traits.

@Royaji

Why are 2H traits valued at double that of 1H ? Why are they not valued the same? They are valued the same when it comes to set pieces, so shouldn't they be valued the same when it comes to traits? When creating a sharpened greatsword, you only use one fire opal, not two, when creating a sharpened sword you use one fire opal, not 1/2 of one.

They also cost the same to make and improve

phbell

smokey13a wrote: »

phbell wrote: »

This has been a topic for a long time. Those that DW and S&B want it stay the way it is - probably for the added set piece it gives them. Dual-wielder and Sword/board players can run 2 full sets and as well as a 2 piece monster set. This is a clear and unfair advantage over staff and 2h players, especially when 3 proc sets can be run simultaneously.

I truly hope that ZOS gets around to setting this right.

your argument holds no real weight though, I mean yes you can have the extra slot on DW and S&B but just as 1 example mag dps using staffs is the highest in the game so giving them an extra slot would make them even more powerful and make the game more unbalanced, I would give a more detailed answer but I cant really be bothered as its all been said in the numerous other discussions about this.

I also have chars with all weapon types and it should stay the way it is.

We will have to disagree on this. I too have characters with every weapon type and when my DW duels my friends on their 2H my added proc set beats them most of the time. Even when they wear their impen gear. That additional completed set piece makes the difference.

smokey13a

phbell wrote: »

We will have to disagree on this. I too have characters with every weapon type and when my DW duels my friends on their 2H my added proc set beats them most of the time. Even when they wear their impen gear. That additional completed set piece makes the difference.

yes, we will have to disagree on that, I mean I have a mate that uses 2H with proc sets and 1 v 1 he can nuke 99% of DW uses(even if they are using proc sets too), he can also smash most DW users without his proc sets in addition the type of proc sets you're talking about only make up a very small number of sets available in game so they are not still not a legitimate argument for making 2H weapons get 2 bonuses.