Anyone Running Impregnable Armor?

MurderMostFoul

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Impregnable+Armor+Set

I'm curious if anyone is running this set in PvP while slotting 7 infused, divines, and/or well-fitted traits rather than impenetrable. While you are spending a 5 piece set bonus on crit resistance, you do open up a lot of options by freeing up those trait slots.

If you've tried it, how is it working out?

Minalan

The question should be: Is anyone NOT running this set?

You get a bonus equal to something like ten sets of impenetrable armor (250 * 10). There's no timer, proc chance, activation condition, or cooldown on it (like transmutation). It's absolutely stupid.

Someone at ZOS was smoking dope when they came up with that. Or maybe the set bonus designer is REALLY that big of a drooling moron, who knows?

Anyways. Use it. It's awesome. There's no cap on impen, so you can stack it up past 50% crit mitigation and essentially be completely immune to critical hits.

Araviel2

its a fantastic set, so much you can do when you don't need the impen trait.
just some examples - you can bring a medium armor build up to resistance cap while benefiting from medium armor passives.
sprint for zero resources.
get 32% block reduction or forget about all your regen problems.
even make twice-born star into a viable pvp set.

and if anyone likes to buy some pieces then im selling.

MurderMostFoul

Araviel2 wrote: »

you can bring a medium armor build up to resistance cap while benefiting from medium armor passives.

Whoa, I didn't even think of the nirnhoned/reinforced angle. Very interesting...

leepalmer95

Just get your crit resist to around 4k~ and you'll negate all crit dmg in non cp pvp, including from nb's + templars.

Waffennacht

The most likely reason someone isn't running it is because they don't have it

Kas

tbh i think this set is
1) a good set
2) great great great with sturdy traits on permablock builds
3) good when still running ~4 (or more) pieces of impen to fully mitigate crits (or crits from Nbs, templars, shadow users) - however, this setup is not so good against people with very low crit rates which is a thing, especially in no-cp. possible in combination with reinforced or nirn peices.
4) decent if you have a good reason to run well-fitted
5) absolutely terrible with divines and infused

the reasons are:
1) in PvE, most "good" armor traits (impen, reinforced, well-fitted in very specific scenarios) are absolutely useless to DDs
2) in PvE, you can fully benefit from the theif mundus, which is the strongest mundus compared to getting the same bonus from sets.

Thus, especially divines gives your very, very little compared to a set bonus. If you compare whatever you get from divines (and also infused) to sets which give you this as 5-piece bonus instead in impenetrable, they will be MUCH better than your impregnable.

tl;dr: good set but only if you still use the "good" traits for pvp. divines isn't - not at all. (infused is very situational and mostly on builds that do not have much use crit resist and thus both, impen and the impregnable set)

Araviel2

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

Araviel2 wrote: »

you can bring a medium armor build up to resistance cap while benefiting from medium armor passives.

Whoa, I didn't even think of the nirnhoned/reinforced angle. Very interesting...

reinforced has always been a strong trait, but neglected because of the (imo overhyped) impen meta.
but now when that might be over and i wonder how long it will take before heavy armor users realize that they can make themselves immune to all forms of penetration, and if people are going to put their sharpen weapons back in the closet.

this new Impregnable Armor could really toss the meta around.

Waffennacht

Kas wrote: »

tbh i think this set is
1) a good set
2) great great great with sturdy traits on permablock builds
3) good when still running ~4 (or more) pieces of impen to fully mitigate crits (or crits from Nbs, templars, shadow users) - however, this setup is not so good against people with very low crit rates which is a thing, especially in no-cp. possible in combination with reinforced or nirn peices.
4) decent if you have a good reason to run well-fitted
5) absolutely terrible with divines and infused

the reasons are:
1) in PvE, most "good" armor traits (impen, reinforced, well-fitted in very specific scenarios) are absolutely useless to DDs
2) in PvE, you can fully benefit from the theif mundus, which is the strongest mundus compared to getting the same bonus from sets.

Thus, especially divines gives your very, very little compared to a set bonus. If you compare whatever you get from divines (and also infused) to sets which give you this as 5-piece bonus instead in impenetrable, they will be MUCH better than your impregnable.

tl;dr: good set but only if you still use the "good" traits for pvp. divines isn't - not at all. (infused is very situational and mostly on builds that do not have much use crit resist and thus both, impen and the impregnable set)

You confuse me... What?

Lexxypwns

Kas wrote: »

tbh i think this set is
1) a good set
2) great great great with sturdy traits on permablock builds
3) good when still running ~4 (or more) pieces of impen to fully mitigate crits (or crits from Nbs, templars, shadow users) - however, this setup is not so good against people with very low crit rates which is a thing, especially in no-cp. possible in combination with reinforced or nirn peices.
4) decent if you have a good reason to run well-fitted
5) absolutely terrible with divines and infused

the reasons are:
1) in PvE, most "good" armor traits (impen, reinforced, well-fitted in very specific scenarios) are absolutely useless to DDs
2) in PvE, you can fully benefit from the theif mundus, which is the strongest mundus compared to getting the same bonus from sets.

Thus, especially divines gives your very, very little compared to a set bonus. If you compare whatever you get from divines (and also infused) to sets which give you this as 5-piece bonus instead in impenetrable, they will be MUCH better than your impregnable.

tl;dr: good set but only if you still use the "good" traits for pvp. divines isn't - not at all. (infused is very situational and mostly on builds that do not have much use crit resist and thus both, impen and the impregnable set)

But there's only 1 reason not to run thief in Pvp. If you're running shadow and around 50% crit without it. This means using divines is just as good in Pvp as pve. The problem has always been needing a certain amount of crit resist

Qbiken

I would love to run this set....If I could get into BG´s and get a weekly reward...

ManDraKE

tried running this set with reinforced in big parts and sturdy on small parts, tanky af lol is insanely good. The 5-pieces bonus is probably the best-value you can get for a set in this game. That being said, i think it shines better on CP-enable PvP, on BG's you will get kill by procs anyway, but on CP you can push really high crit resistences with capped mitigation and permablock, even high-burst nighblades hit you like a wet noodle.

MurderMostFoul

/convinced

GreenSoup2HoT

Proc stackers still truck since they dont crit anyway tho. I may use this for well fitted. Seems fun.

Vapirko

I've been running it with divines and serpent mundus to get my regen allowing me to pair it with automoton for a pretty decent setup in pvp. It's nice you can get it in all weights. I think though that's it's best for tanky sets, as I can get better regen and bigger resource pools with shacklebreaker and bone pirates and similar damage numbers. It's pretty tanky with beekeeper and troll king, running reinforced and sturdy.

Brutusmax1mus

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

Araviel2 wrote: »

you can bring a medium armor build up to resistance cap while benefiting from medium armor passives.

Whoa, I didn't even think of the nirnhoned/reinforced angle. Very interesting...

With medium I'd go with well fitted and sturdy since reinforced is ineffective for medium armor.

Much better mitigation dodge rolling and blocking than reinforced in medium will ever provide.

DeHei

Minalan wrote: »

The question should be: Is anyone NOT running this set?

You get a bonus equal to something like ten sets of impenetrable armor (250 * 10). There's no timer, proc chance, activation condition, or cooldown on it (like transmutation). It's absolutely stupid.

Someone at ZOS was smoking dope when they came up with that. Or maybe the set bonus designer is REALLY that big of a drooling moron, who knows?

Anyways. Use it. It's awesome. There's no cap on impen, so you can stack it up past 50% crit mitigation and essentially be completely immune to critical hits.

Critical resistance just reduce the critical damage, that player can do against you.. not the crit chance!
Most player have a little critchance and this critdamage just do as 50% more damage as common attacks on no-CP campaings. Other player are allways able to crit you, but with enough critical resistance you reduce this more damage to zero. Crits will do same damage like common attacks.
Just few player do as more as 50% bonusdamage with crits, but nearly 98% dont stack crit damage to work against this critical resistance.
With this knowledge some guys speak about a kind of hardcap on critical resistance. This "hardcap" is something around 3xxx. You can test it with stacking resistance and take a look on no CP campaing, when you dont get more damage with crit attacks anymore.

I hope this is insightful

Xvorg

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Kas wrote: »

tbh i think this set is
1) a good set
2) great great great with sturdy traits on permablock builds
3) good when still running ~4 (or more) pieces of impen to fully mitigate crits (or crits from Nbs, templars, shadow users) - however, this setup is not so good against people with very low crit rates which is a thing, especially in no-cp. possible in combination with reinforced or nirn peices.
4) decent if you have a good reason to run well-fitted
5) absolutely terrible with divines and infused

the reasons are:
1) in PvE, most "good" armor traits (impen, reinforced, well-fitted in very specific scenarios) are absolutely useless to DDs
2) in PvE, you can fully benefit from the theif mundus, which is the strongest mundus compared to getting the same bonus from sets.

Thus, especially divines gives your very, very little compared to a set bonus. If you compare whatever you get from divines (and also infused) to sets which give you this as 5-piece bonus instead in impenetrable, they will be MUCH better than your impregnable.

tl;dr: good set but only if you still use the "good" traits for pvp. divines isn't - not at all. (infused is very situational and mostly on builds that do not have much use crit resist and thus both, impen and the impregnable set)

But there's only 1 reason not to run thief in Pvp. If you're running shadow and around 50% crit without it. This means using divines is just as good in Pvp as pve. The problem has always been needing a certain amount of crit resist

mDKs don't go for crit chance... they are aiming for sustain, so Attro is a great option.

Takes-No-Prisoner

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

Araviel2 wrote: »

you can bring a medium armor build up to resistance cap while benefiting from medium armor passives.

Whoa, I didn't even think of the nirnhoned/reinforced angle. Very interesting...

I was thinking the same thing. Now I'm suddenly very excited.

UppGRAYxDD

Yea with some CPs, transmute, and impreg Im running 7k impen and critical strikes hit me less then non criticals

Derra

I´d use it - but since staff builds don´t get to run 5 5 2 i can´t.

Sandman929

Derra wrote: »

I´d use it - but since staff builds don´t get to run 5 5 2 i can´t.

This might be the longest running dumb thing in the game right here.

Minalan

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

Yea with some CPs, transmute, and impreg Im running 7k impen and critical strikes hit me less then non criticals

That's impossible, the highest critical damage mitigation you can do is zero, meaning every critical hit does normal damage (no bonus). Not less.

Derra wrote: »

I´d use it - but since staff builds don´t get to run 5 5 2 i can´t.

Come dual wield with me @Derra. You know you want to!

Rickter

WTS CP 160 Light Impreg Chest IMPENETRABLE trait PST with offer

Derra

Minalan wrote: »

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

Yea with some CPs, transmute, and impreg Im running 7k impen and critical strikes hit me less then non criticals

That's impossible, the highest critical damage mitigation you can do is zero, meaning every critical hit does normal damage (no bonus). Not less.

Derra wrote: »

I´d use it - but since staff builds don´t get to run 5 5 2 i can´t.

Come dual wield with me @Derra. You know you want to!

I have a nice DW build with 5p warmaiden 5p martial - it works reasonably well but i prefer other setups.

Minno

Waffennacht wrote: »

The most likely reason someone isn't running it is because they don't have it

Yup that's me. I'd rather spend my free time dying in PvP than spending 20 hours trying to find a needle in a haystack.

Lexxypwns

Xvorg wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Kas wrote: »

tbh i think this set is
1) a good set
2) great great great with sturdy traits on permablock builds
3) good when still running ~4 (or more) pieces of impen to fully mitigate crits (or crits from Nbs, templars, shadow users) - however, this setup is not so good against people with very low crit rates which is a thing, especially in no-cp. possible in combination with reinforced or nirn peices.
4) decent if you have a good reason to run well-fitted
5) absolutely terrible with divines and infused

the reasons are:
1) in PvE, most "good" armor traits (impen, reinforced, well-fitted in very specific scenarios) are absolutely useless to DDs
2) in PvE, you can fully benefit from the theif mundus, which is the strongest mundus compared to getting the same bonus from sets.

Thus, especially divines gives your very, very little compared to a set bonus. If you compare whatever you get from divines (and also infused) to sets which give you this as 5-piece bonus instead in impenetrable, they will be MUCH better than your impregnable.

tl;dr: good set but only if you still use the "good" traits for pvp. divines isn't - not at all. (infused is very situational and mostly on builds that do not have much use crit resist and thus both, impen and the impregnable set)

But there's only 1 reason not to run thief in Pvp. If you're running shadow and around 50% crit without it. This means using divines is just as good in Pvp as pve. The problem has always been needing a certain amount of crit resist

mDKs don't go for crit chance... they are aiming for sustain, so Attro is a great option.

Maybe they don't, but that's inefficient AF. The best way to increase the pressure from those dots and help your healing all at once is thief and it's 3x more efficient. You should always find a way to get your sustain without serpent/atro since thief provides you all the crit a build needs and atro alone will never be close to enough sustain.

Again, all Pvp damage or healing based builds should be thief or shadow

Xvorg

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Kas wrote: »

tbh i think this set is
1) a good set
2) great great great with sturdy traits on permablock builds
3) good when still running ~4 (or more) pieces of impen to fully mitigate crits (or crits from Nbs, templars, shadow users) - however, this setup is not so good against people with very low crit rates which is a thing, especially in no-cp. possible in combination with reinforced or nirn peices.
4) decent if you have a good reason to run well-fitted
5) absolutely terrible with divines and infused

the reasons are:
1) in PvE, most "good" armor traits (impen, reinforced, well-fitted in very specific scenarios) are absolutely useless to DDs
2) in PvE, you can fully benefit from the theif mundus, which is the strongest mundus compared to getting the same bonus from sets.

Thus, especially divines gives your very, very little compared to a set bonus. If you compare whatever you get from divines (and also infused) to sets which give you this as 5-piece bonus instead in impenetrable, they will be MUCH better than your impregnable.

tl;dr: good set but only if you still use the "good" traits for pvp. divines isn't - not at all. (infused is very situational and mostly on builds that do not have much use crit resist and thus both, impen and the impregnable set)

But there's only 1 reason not to run thief in Pvp. If you're running shadow and around 50% crit without it. This means using divines is just as good in Pvp as pve. The problem has always been needing a certain amount of crit resist

mDKs don't go for crit chance... they are aiming for sustain, so Attro is a great option.

Maybe they don't, but that's inefficient AF. The best way to increase the pressure from those dots and help your healing all at once is thief and it's 3x more efficient. You should always find a way to get your sustain without serpent/atro since thief provides you all the crit a build needs and atro alone will never be close to enough sustain.

Again, all Pvp damage or healing based builds should be thief or shadow

It's not as easy as it seems.

In simple words, this is the decision any mDK must do when building:

1- crit chance
2- spell dmg/dmg
3- Sustain

Choose 2.

KingJ

Just can't get the pieces I need to drop to run it and don't feel like buying it.

MurderMostFoul

Minno wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

The most likely reason someone isn't running it is because they don't have it

Yup that's me. I'd rather spend my free time dying in PvP than spending 20 hours trying to find a needle in a haystack.

Lucky for you, this set drops from post-Battleground reward mails. So dying in PvP is the exact way to find this needle in the haystack.

Vapirko

Minno wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

The most likely reason someone isn't running it is because they don't have it

Yup that's me. I'd rather spend my free time dying in PvP than spending 20 hours trying to find a needle in a haystack.

It's really easy to buy impreg gear for cheap. Or at least it was. I've already got two full sets.