Flawless(finally) Bow/Bow

Toc de Malsvi · June 2017

With Morrowind release I decided I would try out a bow PVP build on a stam Sorc which I had been theory crafting for some time. It went rather well so I decided to see what I could do with it in VMA and threw on some of my PVE gear from my DK. Now mind I have completed VMA 40 or so times mostly on a stamina DK or Magicka NB, however I have done it on both magicka Sorc and magicka DK as well as stamina NB. I had completed it bow/bow on stam DK as well as stam NB, but despite having VMA and VDSA sharpened weapons I have never been able to get Flawless.

Took my Khajit(soon to be Bosmer when I get my monthly crowns)Stam Sorc Bow/Bow into VMA and got Flawless on the first time, I could have done it faster but after failing to die on each round 5 and beyond I became increasingly careful trying to ensure that I didn't die unnecessarily. Here's the video of the achievements and skill point gain post kill for those that question the validity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuSaSAy7_dI

That said Flawless VMA Bow/Bow is very doable, I think Sorcerer would be your best bet although I believe it is doable on the other classes I think it may be a bit easier on Sorcerer.

Mcgelie1 · June 2017

Killing it, Toc.

firedrgn · June 2017

Nice, hope for the rest of us. Maybe hope for me.

Masel · June 2017

Welcome to the Club

Bow/Bow is actually a lot of fun in there.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L8khSH3fqR8

They really need to remove the movement speed reduction on snipe. I wanted to feel fast on the build, but that makes it feel somewhat clunky.

firedrgn · August 2017

Masel92 wrote: »

Welcome to the Club

Bow/Bow is actually a lot of fun in there.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L8khSH3fqR8

They really need to remove the movement speed reduction on snipe. I wanted to feel fast on the build, but that makes it feel somewhat clunky.

I watched video. How are you restoring stamina like that. I keep seeing 2100 and,182 or something like that . thanks.

Merkabeh · August 2017

I have a Bow/Bow Khajiit StamSorc...curious to see your build. I love my StamSorc, but always looking for ways to improve!

Banana · August 2017

Nerf sorcerers

RANKK7 · August 2017

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

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Took my Khajit(soon to be Bosmer when I get my monthly crowns)...

Awesome post, well done, BUT I don't like this at all

Leave the Khajiit alone! HE is Flawless after all, you can't do that to him! Don't make him a nasty shrimp! Damn.

RizzlyBear · August 2017

firedrgn wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

Welcome to the Club

Bow/Bow is actually a lot of fun in there.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L8khSH3fqR8

They really need to remove the movement speed reduction on snipe. I wanted to feel fast on the build, but that makes it feel somewhat clunky.

I watched video. How are you restoring stamina like that. I keep seeing 2100 and,182 or something like that . thanks.

Vicious ophidian.

DRXHarbinger · August 2017

Well done, but your stats are so so so low, seriously well done for that, usually I roll with with 44k Stamina and you've got a mere 31k with 16k health, actually pretty good.

What set up are you using? I see VO but what else?

SodanTok · August 2017

Damn necro threads all over this place

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Well done, but your stats are so so so low, seriously well done for that, usually I roll with with 44k Stamina and you've got a mere 31k with 16k health, actually pretty good.

What set up are you using? I see VO but what else?

Well by going bow and khajiit you are losing weapon damage from 2h/dw, you arent redguard so you are losing 10% stamina and you have to get more regen because you dont have (and can not use it anyway) redguard passive
So you have everything low except crit (thank to khajiit passive) and have to trade what you have to get some of what you dont

If I had to guess he is losing probably 6k stamina already by getting regen and not being redguard (and that is if he uses camoran and not the maxhp/stamreg food)

HatchetHaro · August 2017

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Well done, but your stats are so so so low, seriously well done for that, usually I roll with with 44k Stamina and you've got a mere 31k with 16k health, actually pretty good.

What set up are you using? I see VO but what else?

44k stamina? What sets are you even using!?

BiS stamina builds right now are ~32k stamina, not factoring in racial passives, by the way.

(Oh, woah, didn't notice this is a bumped thread.)

Toc de Malsvi · August 2017

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Well done, but your stats are so so so low, seriously well done for that, usually I roll with with 44k Stamina and you've got a mere 31k with 16k health, actually pretty good.

What set up are you using? I see VO but what else?

You may be talking about Masel92. I do not have VO. I used Sharpened VMA/VDSA bows, 5 Hundings + 5 Hawkeye. Orzorga's Tripe Trifle Food.

ArchMikem · August 2017

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Well done, but your stats are so so so low, seriously well done for that, usually I roll with with 44k Stamina and you've got a mere 31k with 16k health, actually pretty good.

What set up are you using? I see VO but what else?

It doesn't look like OP has any Max Stam food buff going in the video.

DocFrost72 · August 2017

Awesome work, deserving of an awesome.

Maybe I'll take my bosmer sorceress bow-bow in there...

Toc de Malsvi · September 2017

Finally got it on my DK bow/bow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5LEFpfIFjo&app=desktop

Toc de Malsvi · September 2017

Running Sharpened VMA, and sharpened VDSA. 5Hundings, 5 Dreughking Slayer. Using vigor for heals.

firedrgn · September 2017

What is your penitration at? Thanks

Toc de Malsvi · September 2017

4K from CP, 2752 from Sharpened, 4K from Lover mundus. So around 10700ish.

Jade1986 · September 2017

Masel92 wrote: »

Welcome to the Club

Bow/Bow is actually a lot of fun in there.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L8khSH3fqR8

They really need to remove the movement speed reduction on snipe. I wanted to feel fast on the build, but that makes it feel somewhat clunky.

Your ui makes me want to spoon out my own eyes. Good job, but ugh....that clutter.....

I tried bow bow in pvp, but without a shield you get squished super quick sometimes....

Upon further inspection of the skills, I am now going to run bow bow too. Lol. xD

WaltherCarraway · September 2017

Congrats. What an achievement

firedrgn · September 2017

ArchMikem wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Well done, but your stats are so so so low, seriously well done for that, usually I roll with with 44k Stamina and you've got a mere 31k with 16k health, actually pretty good.

What set up are you using? I see VO but what else?

It doesn't look like OP has any Max Stam food buff going in the video.

I'm wondering if he's running,regen drinks instead of food.

Olupajmibanan · September 2017

Flawless with bow/bow? Meh, grab all sigals and easy flawless no matter the build.

600k with a bow/bow? That would actualy impress me. But that is a challenge only for true maelstrom masters like @andy_s

Toc de Malsvi · September 2017

firedrgn wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Well done, but your stats are so so so low, seriously well done for that, usually I roll with with 44k Stamina and you've got a mere 31k with 16k health, actually pretty good.

What set up are you using? I see VO but what else?

It doesn't look like OP has any Max Stam food buff going in the video.

I'm wondering if he's running,regen drinks instead of food.

On the Sorc I ran Orzorga's Triple Trifle(Max health+Stam Recovery).
On the DK I ran Lava foot soup and saltrice(Max Stam+Stam Recovery).

The healthy trait on the Dreughking slayer jewelry gives me more than enough health which is why I don't need max health food, and thus why the food is different. On both setups the food has stam recovery which puts my stam recovery over 1700 unbuffed, it goes up to 2k when I use a stam pot.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam · September 2017

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

Flawless with bow/bow? Meh, grab all sigals and easy flawless no matter the build.

600k with a bow/bow? That would actualy impress me. But that is a challenge only for true maelstrom masters like @andy_s

Actually think you underestimate Bow/bow build.

I never try myself but I doubt it would be easy as you say.

Olupajmibanan · September 2017

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

Flawless with bow/bow? Meh, grab all sigals and easy flawless no matter the build.

600k with a bow/bow? That would actualy impress me. But that is a challenge only for true maelstrom masters like @andy_s

Actually think you underestimate Bow/bow build.

I never try myself but I doubt it would be easy as you say.

I have flawless on all my characters. Trust me, it's really easy to get it if you focus on it and do not care for score. I've also done it with an off-meta build, a 2h/bow build.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam · September 2017

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

Flawless with bow/bow? Meh, grab all sigals and easy flawless no matter the build.

600k with a bow/bow? That would actualy impress me. But that is a challenge only for true maelstrom masters like @andy_s

Actually think you underestimate Bow/bow build.

I never try myself but I doubt it would be easy as you say.

I have flawless on all my characters. Trust me, it's really easy to get it if you focus on it and do not care for score. I've also done it with an off-meta build, a 2h/bow build.

Ive got flawless on all specs too, I did flawless on 2H/bow ages ago.

I'm saying bow/bow is prob quite difficult. Credit where credit is due.