Magblade fanatic, plays Sorc in pvp for the first time.

CavalryPK

Hey guys,

I don't know if you know me. But i have been playing magicka nighblade since day one. I am sort of a fanatic.

Anyways, long time ago during the veteran ranks. I leveled up a sorcerer because of reasons and never touched it until yesterday. I used a simple build. Shakel + Necro with witchmothers potent brew and magic recovery mundus and monster set.

I went into vivec with the mindset that since I never played a sorc. in pvp before... I gotta be carefull and remember my rotation in order to learn and get some hands on experience in small scale fights. Dude..... DUDE!!! after winning literally every single 1v1 fight I encountered (total of 5 or 6) I had to stop and question if I was born to be a sorc or I was fighting PVEers... I was messing up all the time. casting the wrong skill. overcasting shields. switching bars etc... mind you all the folks had CP 630 next to their names.

Couple of things I absolutely loved as I was playing my sorc:

1. Freedom! no one can pin me down. I have a dedicated "o Snhit" button whenever I am in trouble. just streak away. 2 streaks + potion, LOS wait 4 seconds steak 2 more times... and poof you are gone !

2. Delayed execute. I do not have to catch my opponent below 20% of health right away. The skill has 4 second window... if I can burst my enemy down with in that time frame I got the kill.. and I can burst every 3 seconds... I used to think C Frag don proc dat mach... that skill is on all da time!!

3. With my set up I have 2k spell damage, 2k mag recovery 44k magicka 12k stamina. amazing stats to complement shields and over all spell dmg occasional dodge rolls or blocks.

With all the Sorc's mobility, crazy dmg and tankiness, I feel like my magblade got the short end of the stick. I literally felt that you need a PHD in combat strategy to play magblade vs a beer to play a sorc.

While in Cyro, I got the opportunity to fight one of my most hated classes. Mag DKs... the perma root/wing spammer. well.. not that much in this patch. but still enough to make you grind your teeth. After I realized I cannot take him down (perfectly line up my burst between wings)... I went in to full defensive mode. I would cast Harness + Ward and then resto attack (easy). his dots would eat up my shields... and at that point already was at full magicka. If there is too much burst... I would just streak out. and repeat the shield and resto... he could not take me down... eventually I just turned around and streaked away. he could not catch up...

Sorc is an amazing class it has everything you need in one package.

Regarding magblades:

1. Freedom!!! not so much. don't compare shade with streak. please... its not a "O Snhit" button. Cloak is our go to skill. when retreating. it has good days and bad days. to be able to properly cloak as a magblade you need to either dodge.. or fear before you cast cloak, otherwise it will be broken. Works half of the time... as a magblade, if you build for more stam then you have to let go some dmg or mag regeneration. you cant get the whole thing at the time. you are better of using cloak before you get in trouble vs getting out of trouble. Mobility in open world, and even in BG is probably one of the most important aspects. Good for sorcs!

2. impale is one of my favorite skills. not anywhere close to endless fury! furthermore, in utopian world if we constantly manage to land 5 light attacks, that's how often we are able to burst with grim focus...5 second internals... if you are one of these grim focus gods... please show meh. i would love to see some major magblade pwnage. with only 2k spell dmg.. i definitely feel my low dmg. and some of the good fights that i won is not because of good dmg or tactical bursts, but mostly do the good resource management generally outlasting my opponents.

3. My magblade currently is running 5x riposte front 5x transmutation back and 2x malubeth... only got 2k spell dmg 36k magicka and wooping 9k stamina. reserved only for short sprints and brake free. (did not use for blocks yet maybe later).

Since I am a magblade fanatic I still think that magblade is best class to play. however, whenever I am putting together a build. I always end up torn between dmg survivability or regen. While when I put the sorc together yesterday, I got everything I wanted with out trading dmg for regen or survivability.

Keep in mind this is CP characters... the NO CP campaigns are empty when I am playing.

Here is the main reason I wrote this "well composed" "amazing" "informative" article.... it is because I really care about this g..... I am super bored at work and I did not know what else to do.

Thanks for reading.

bubbygink

Don't go to the dark side @CavalryPK - there are already so few of us Magblades around!

Joy_Division

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

CavalryPK

bubbygink wrote: »

Don't go to the dark side @CavalryPK - there are already so few of us Magblades around!

never. cuz maglbade is life magblade is love !

Joy_Division wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

eh, you might be right.

Rex-Umbra

Magblade is broken

MisterBigglesworth

Joy_Division wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

How is this an example of confirmation bias when the OP is comparing/contrasting his own experience playing two classes.

The only way this would be confirmation bias is if OP were complaining that Temp/DK/Ward need to be nerfed because Temp/DK/Ward are always killing his Sorc/NB.

DocFrost72

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

How is this an example of confirmation bias when the OP is comparing/contrasting his own experience playing two classes.

The only way this would be confirmation bias is if OP were complaining that Temp/DK/Ward need to be nerfed because Temp/DK/Ward are always killing his Sorc/NB.

Reread the wiki, slowly.

Mazbt

Most sorcs aren't good in 1 v 1. The ones that are are players that have mastered the classes and mastered pvp in this game in general. A bit overtuned when fighting one sorc with 1 or more other players though. due to their execute passives....and curse....

casparian

a PHD in combat strategy to play magblade vs a beer to play a sorc

This is a great line.

Every time I get off my magblade and go play another class, I'm instantly wowed with how much better it feels, mainly because I can do all the things I couldn't do when playing magblade. That feels really good. But after I spend a while on the other class, I realize that I also can't do the things I could do when playing magblade. Sure, Streak feels good now. But give it some time, and you'll start to miss the things Cloak can give you that Streak can't.

That said, it might be the case that magsorc is better for the CavalryPK playstyle than magblade. You like to go out there on your own and find some 1vX. This is a game whose combat design is largely based around team cooperation, however, and so it would make sense that most classes' biggest advantages will be more visible in team situations. Magblades have all kinds of advantages over sorc that are completely invisible in your preferred playstyle (since you usually have no allies).

olsborg

This is old news tho, I used to main a sorc exclusively from beta to IC release. Its easily the most versatile and ezymode class to play. Also alot of fun. The other classes dont have that kind of full package deal.

Ive since conformed and now mostly play stamina builds, because the risk and reward on those is higher.

I totally understand your post tho mr @CavalryPK . Magblades need a few things, one on the top of my list is for Mirage and other morph to remove snares/roots on cast. That would help a lot.

Waffennacht

I'll pick my temp Warden or sorc over NB. I just don't like it

mb10

Sorc is easy mode bro

Not much to be happy or proud of. That isn't a dig at you, it's a dig at the class

CavalryPK

olsborg wrote: »

This is old news tho, I used to main a sorc exclusively from beta to IC release. Its easily the most versatile and ezymode class to play. Also alot of fun. The other classes dont have that kind of full package deal.

Ive since conformed and now mostly play stamina builds, because the risk and reward on those is higher.

I totally understand your post tho mr @CavalryPK . Magblades need a few things, one on the top of my list is for Mirage and other morph to remove snares/roots on cast. That would help a lot.

I am thinking of lvling up a stamblade... the whole dodge and cloak mechanics is working very well. you are immune to most of the abilities while dodging. saw sypher do stamblade yesterday. the amount of mobility is crazy. he literally takes control of all the fights all the time. the second something does not go his way.. he can retreat and regroup.

on top of that he has crazy bust.

Strider_Roshin

Joy_Division wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

I don't main neither magblade nor magsorc, and magsorcs are significantly more powerful than magblades. Not saying you can't be a monster as a magblade, but you have to try a whole lot harder to achieve the destructive force that magsorcs acquire with ease.

DeadlyRecluse

Sorcs last patch felt significantly overtuned. Sorcs this patch feel *very slightly* overtuned, and that's fine, imo.

CavalryPK

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

I don't main neither magblade nor magsorc, and magsorcs are significantly more powerful than magblades. Not saying you can't be a monster as a magblade, but you have to try a whole lot harder to achieve the destructive force that magsorcs acquire with ease.

I rather have them increase the difficulty on other classes to be a monster at their play style vs changing the current magblade... every time they touch it. it becomes worse.

CavalryPK

casparian wrote: »

a PHD in combat strategy to play magblade vs a beer to play a sorc

This is a great line.

Every time I get off my magblade and go play another class, I'm instantly wowed with how much better it feels, mainly because I can do all the things I couldn't do when playing magblade. That feels really good. But after I spend a while on the other class, I realize that I also can't do the things I could do when playing magblade. Sure, Streak feels good now. But give it some time, and you'll start to miss the things Cloak can give you that Streak can't.

That said, it might be the case that magsorc is better for the CavalryPK playstyle than magblade. You like to go out there on your own and find some 1vX. This is a game whose combat design is largely based around team cooperation, however, and so it would make sense that most classes' biggest advantages will be more visible in team situations. Magblades have all kinds of advantages over sorc that are completely invisible in your preferred playstyle (since you usually have no allies).

the problem is ... I still went back to my magblade... you see.. whenever I run into another magblade in the game I feel warm and fuzzy feeling inside my belly. and I sent them hugs and kisses.

I don't feel the same when I run into sorcs because... well every one is a magsorc or stamblade.

ofSunhold

I can live with wrath, I think shields are just fine, frags are cool, dark deal is a little iffy but w/e. But that easy mobility in PvP, that's hard to counter and unmatched by any other class.

I don't want it nerfed, I don't want them to lose it, but I have envy.

Although I have a magsorc, just not running with it right now.

CavalryPK

casparian wrote: »

a PHD in combat strategy to play magblade vs a beer to play a sorc

This is a great line.

Every time I get off my magblade and go play another class, I'm instantly wowed with how much better it feels, mainly because I can do all the things I couldn't do when playing magblade. That feels really good. But after I spend a while on the other class, I realize that I also can't do the things I could do when playing magblade. Sure, Streak feels good now. But give it some time, and you'll start to miss the things Cloak can give you that Streak can't.

That said, it might be the case that magsorc is better for the CavalryPK playstyle than magblade. You like to go out there on your own and find some 1vX. This is a game whose combat design is largely based around team cooperation, however, and so it would make sense that most classes' biggest advantages will be more visible in team situations. Magblades have all kinds of advantages over sorc that are completely invisible in your preferred playstyle (since you usually have no allies).

Oh i got one more comment on your first paragraph. I am talking about ability to recover from a bad fight and how easily you can achieve that... as a sorc i felt that retreating and regrouping was probably the easiest thing in the world. If i tap streak twice i can be far enough so no one can gap close me, while as a magblade if i am marked or detect potted i literally have to stay and fight because running is not an option.

Same thing applies to stamina bow builds, dodge and sprint .

Basically as a magblade if anyone decides to run away from you, you cannot do anything about it, unless you have a gap closer, with my currently set up the only skill i could swap for a gap closer is mark... which i am not gonna do since every second person i fight is a procblade.

Betsararie

mb10 wrote: »

Sorc is easy mode bro

Not much to be happy or proud of. That isn't a dig at you, it's a dig at the class

It's also the most fun class to play (opinion held by many people).

So I don't really see what there is to attack.

The constant nerfs are not the answer, Sorc does not need any nerfs. The other classes need to be buffed so that they are on a similar level to mag sorc.

Lord-Otto

Yup, magsorc for 1v1 is straight up better.

However, nothing wrecks a group like a bombblade. I like to poke at my enemy with Strife, Grim and Impale. And when my ult is up, oh boy! Destro Ult + Fear + Sap while boosted by Necropotence for 55k mag? My sorc can only dream of that mass destruction. And then port to Shade and cloak away without being gapclosed to death.

Now, is this playstyle fun at all times? No. No, it's not. But it fills a role that no other class can. That is the deciding advantage, IMO. If this is not what you want to capitalize on, then yes, you're playing the wrong class.

Nemesis7884

Joy_Division wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

well as a player who started this spring what i can tell you that i was wondering why - before morrowind - 80% of the players i encountered in the world were sorcs...

Joy_Division

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

How is this an example of confirmation bias when the OP is comparing/contrasting his own experience playing two classes.

That's what confirmation bias is. When you compare your own experiences doing two different things and the conclusion reinforces pre-existing beliefs.

OP thinks NB has to make sacrifices, class requires PhD in combat strategy to play effectively, and admits class is personal favorite. OP plays sorc. OP thinks sorc is so strong that even when plays poorly thinks class is super strong and has everything, thus confirming in his/her mind the pressing flaws of the NB: no freedom, complex tactics, sacrifices, etc.

This is not an objective nerf sorc thread.

Quite frankly, I dont understand why you people constantly prod ZoS to nerf stuff and then get mad every patch when ZoS hands us a huge compilation of Nerf notes every update. Serves you right I say.

X3ina

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

well as a player who started this spring what i can tell you that i was wondering why - before morrowind - 80% of the players i encountered in the world were sorcs...

Pretty wrong !!!

Only about 40% were sorcs, 40% nightblade (mostly stamina), rest dks and templars.

en3rgumen

This is why there is so much TOPIC in this forum for BALANCING the game.

I play a MagBlade too since day ONE and he's my MAIN since 5 april 2014.

I also leveled a MagSorc on the first "double XP events".

And i feel the same things when i compare the two.

I'm against the nerf of MagSorc ; actually he's fun to play, i would like the others classes to be on PAR with.

The Worst thing that could happen is everyone feel the same and leveled a MagSorc because in PvP:

• MagSorc vs MagSorc is so boring.

Back in 1.5 this game was much more BALANCE.


ZENIMAX ! Why make patches that do not improve the game (in terms of BALANCE) because for content you did a great job.

Torbschka

I have to say that , as a "from time to time" mag NB player, I really enjoy playing magicka warden.

For me it plays very similar right bow.

Grim focus burst is like deep fissure, ur burst skill, just without the 5 aa.

I play with necro and shields, so netch is like shade, just without the target requirement

I also play with mist form.

So, actually it plays similar to the shieldstacking mag NB, times burst, no mobility beside mist form etc. , but with some more enjoyable gimmicks.

If u play the path, hot NB, i m sure I also can make that work on magden, but right now I enjoy the necro Route.

ArchMikem

My sorc has roughly the same stats. Higher damage, slightly less max magic, and i sucked in cyrodiil with it. Everyone just dodges everything.

Blackleopardex

CavalryPK wrote: »

Hey guys,

I don't know if you know me. But i have been playing magicka nighblade since day one. I am sort of a fanatic.

Anyways, long time ago during the veteran ranks. I leveled up a sorcerer because of reasons and never touched it until yesterday. I used a simple build. Shakel + Necro with witchmothers potent brew and magic recovery mundus and monster set.

I went into vivec with the mindset that since I never played a sorc. in pvp before... I gotta be carefull and remember my rotation in order to learn and get some hands on experience in small scale fights. Dude..... DUDE!!! after winning literally every single 1v1 fight I encountered (total of 5 or 6) I had to stop and question if I was born to be a sorc or I was fighting PVEers... I was messing up all the time. casting the wrong skill. overcasting shields. switching bars etc... mind you all the folks had CP 630 next to their names.

Couple of things I absolutely loved as I was playing my sorc:

1. Freedom! no one can pin me down. I have a dedicated "o Snhit" button whenever I am in trouble. just streak away. 2 streaks + potion, LOS wait 4 seconds steak 2 more times... and poof you are gone !

2. Delayed execute. I do not have to catch my opponent below 20% of health right away. The skill has 4 second window... if I can burst my enemy down with in that time frame I got the kill.. and I can burst every 3 seconds... I used to think C Frag don proc dat mach... that skill is on all da time!!

3. With my set up I have 2k spell damage, 2k mag recovery 44k magicka 12k stamina. amazing stats to complement shields and over all spell dmg occasional dodge rolls or blocks.

With all the Sorc's mobility, crazy dmg and tankiness, I feel like my magblade got the short end of the stick. I literally felt that you need a PHD in combat strategy to play magblade vs a beer to play a sorc.

While in Cyro, I got the opportunity to fight one of my most hated classes. Mag DKs... the perma root/wing spammer. well.. not that much in this patch. but still enough to make you grind your teeth. After I realized I cannot take him down (perfectly line up my burst between wings)... I went in to full defensive mode. I would cast Harness + Ward and then resto attack (easy). his dots would eat up my shields... and at that point already was at full magicka. If there is too much burst... I would just streak out. and repeat the shield and resto... he could not take me down... eventually I just turned around and streaked away. he could not catch up...

Sorc is an amazing class it has everything you need in one package.

Regarding magblades:

1. Freedom!!! not so much. don't compare shade with streak. please... its not a "O Snhit" button. Cloak is our go to skill. when retreating. it has good days and bad days. to be able to properly cloak as a magblade you need to either dodge.. or fear before you cast cloak, otherwise it will be broken. Works half of the time... as a magblade, if you build for more stam then you have to let go some dmg or mag regeneration. you cant get the whole thing at the time. you are better of using cloak before you get in trouble vs getting out of trouble. Mobility in open world, and even in BG is probably one of the most important aspects. Good for sorcs!

2. impale is one of my favorite skills. not anywhere close to endless fury! furthermore, in utopian world if we constantly manage to land 5 light attacks, that's how often we are able to burst with grim focus...5 second internals... if you are one of these grim focus gods... please show meh. i would love to see some major magblade pwnage. with only 2k spell dmg.. i definitely feel my low dmg. and some of the good fights that i won is not because of good dmg or tactical bursts, but mostly do the good resource management generally outlasting my opponents.

3. My magblade currently is running 5x riposte front 5x transmutation back and 2x malubeth... only got 2k spell dmg 36k magicka and wooping 9k stamina. reserved only for short sprints and brake free. (did not use for blocks yet maybe later).

Since I am a magblade fanatic I still think that magblade is best class to play. however, whenever I am putting together a build. I always end up torn between dmg survivability or regen. While when I put the sorc together yesterday, I got everything I wanted with out trading dmg for regen or survivability.

Keep in mind this is CP characters... the NO CP campaigns are empty when I am playing.

Here is the main reason I wrote this "well composed" "amazing" "informative" article.... it is because I really care about this g..... I am super bored at work and I did not know what else to do.

Thanks for reading.

I feel you bro, so well put, well written. Been talking about this to my friends, there is always a balance problem between damage and sustain on a mag-blade.

In the last patch and currently I'm running 5 light with 1xMolag, 5xClever Alchemist and 5xNecro(3xInfused,4xDivines). Sure I feel I have enough damage... There is just 2 other problems I run into, sustain and incoming damage(healing ward is my friend). In this patch i need to change, sustain even worse, so I'm gonna go for more sustain and a little more protection. I just know i will be casting marshmallows at my opponents, wish me luck

Magıc

Meanwhile Mag Sorc is the least played class in CP PVP right now in EU (hear it's different in NA, maybe they just haven't all rerolled to stam yet?).

Great experience you must be having, because the rest of the population isn't.

NeillMcAttack

Endless fury is the greatest kill stealing ability in BG's I'm finding, it's undodgable!

Whereas, whilst playing my main, also a MagBlade, spamming the already much harder to land Impale. Dodge, dodge, dodge dodge dodge! Like, what the ***!??

NeillMcAttack

Let's just look at the front bars for a second!
Execute;
As mentioned. Impale, dodgeable, worst animation, only effective at below 25%.
Fury, undodgeable, can be pre-casted.

Spam-able;
Soul harvest; reflectable, dodgeable but gives a hot.
Force pulse; 3 attacks for proccing whatever, unreflectable, instant heals thanks to surge.

Burst;
Frags, stuns, procs 20% of the time on casting a mag ability.
Merciless, only procs when you can land 5 dodgeable and reflectable light attacks.

Im starting to annoy myself now.

And what's most annoying is that fixing these inconsistentcys doesn't homogenize anything they just bring balance.

P.S I'm yet to be killed by a MagBlade in BG's unless it's maybe a destro ult that I can't streak out of and BG's are packed full of magSorcs.