PS4 Predictable FAIL = 1 CP Campaign

Crom_CCCXVI

This was PS4 before the patch
SCOURGE - 30 Day CP campaign - usually full
HADERUS- 7 Day CP campaign - good population often
SKULL OF CORRUPTION - 7 Day CP campaign - good population sometimes
AZURA STAR - No CP campaign - Always Empty

For some reason, looking at this information ZOS said "hey lets make a couple Non CP campaigns, and only 1 CP? Does anyone else see that line of thinking? I brought this up in another post right away, Battlegrounds is not going to mean everyone will change the way they look at campaigns.
Now
We have VIVEC which is full with a Q., and a couple empty non-CP campaigns that I don't even care to know their names.

It bothers me that ZOS doesn't see this? I have been playing MMO's for about 20 years, apparently I know more than the designers?
There are a couple factors that keep people playing an MMO aside from community and the actual game play.
- Customization. People like to feel that their toon is unique, and extension of themselves in some cases.
- Achievement. Your toon is always growing, even if by only a small amount. This is what CP does, gives the feeling your toon is growing. To say "go play no CP" does that mean my toon is done? I should just make another, then when that is done make another? Not going to work.- ZOS should be smarter than me, disappointing.

Sigtric

ZOS sees it. For whatever their reasons are they are trying to change it.

Personally, CP camps suck compaired to non CP. If more people would let go of the CP crutch and go experience the non-CP side they may see why.

Bottom line: They get to see a lot of data you and I don't, and their vision for what the game needs to be is the one that counts.

Vivec has a full queue because people are too resistant/scared/dumb/bad to try the change.

FlyLionel

It's a little early to be final in this, people are trying out BG's, grinding wardens etc etc. I don't think I've seen one person in all of my guilds head into cyrodiil yet..That being said at the moment yep..No cp campaigns don't even have a bar, hopefully it'll change once majority of people go back into their routines.

Crom_CCCXVI

People "aren't afraid" to play non CP it is just no purpose
People are in battle grounds, we had a week of non-CP. The best players are still the best players.

It is a real basic concept. In an MMO people want their toons to always be improving That is a fundamental to an MMO. You could turn CP down to 10% of what it is, but still having it would still make a CP campaign superior to a non-CP campaign.

We can argue opinions, but the population is what it is- and this weekend, when the Q is a mile long, and people are blue screening and have to wait 45 min to get back in- people will leave the game.

Sigtric

Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »

People "aren't afraid" to play non CP it is just no purpose
People are in battle grounds, we had a week of non-CP. The best players are still the best players.

It is a real basic concept. In an MMO people want their toons to always be improving That is a fundamental to an MMO. You could turn CP down to 10% of what it is, but still having it would still make a CP campaign superior to a non-CP campaign.

We can argue opinions, but the population is what it is- and this weekend, when the Q is a mile long, and people are blue screening and have to wait 45 min to get back in- people will leave the game.

Can I have their stuff?

Cêltic421

If more people would try non cp campaign maybe the population would be consistent. I don't have anything against nonncp campaigns. Wish more people would start getting bin there. If it continues to be empty maybe a 7 day cp campaign will open up.

Zvorgin

Sigtric wrote: »

ZOS sees it. For whatever their reasons are they are trying to change it.

Personally, CP camps suck compaired to non CP. If more people would let go of the CP crutch and go experience the non-CP side they may see why.

Bottom line: They get to see a lot of data you and I don't, and their vision for what the game needs to be is the one that counts.

Vivec has a full queue because people are too resistant/scared/dumb/bad to try the change.

Vivec was so laggy on PS4 last night I tried the non-cp and I'm not going back. I'm sold on non-cp.

I hope it gets to about half full so we dont get the horrendous Vivec lag.

The_Duke

The lag was unplayable last night. Hard to weapon swap. Total garbage. I might end up in no CP pretty soon if this is the way its going to be.

Brutusmax1mus

Vivec was full yesterday at 5pm.

I don't play non cp bc it's a slower version of the game. but that's not the biggest reason for me.

The biggest reason is the resource cost poisons which DESTROY any regen build bc they are far far far to easy to apply and far far far too effective. It takes the fun out of this game. Cp at least helps to make up for that idiotic implementation of new content. I'm still convinced it was only implemented to buy them time do they can make an attempt at balancing the game.

Emothic

Sigtric wrote: »

ZOS sees it. For whatever their reasons are they are trying to change it.

Personally, CP camps suck compaired to non CP. If more people would let go of the CP crutch and go experience the non-CP side they may see why.

Bottom line: They get to see a lot of data you and I don't, and their vision for what the game needs to be is the one that counts.

Vivec has a full queue because people are too resistant/scared/dumb/bad to try the change.

ZoS changed it to keep to the theme of Battlegrounds being non-cp. That actually said that they were going to make most Campaigns non-cp focused to keep in line with battlegrounds being non-cp. The only reason for this is so they don't have to take the time to try and balance out PvE, PvP, and Battlegound combat.

That's your opinion, an opinion not based on fact. Many, as in the majority, of the community will disagree with you. On that note many players have played Non-CP, I have, and we all hated it. That's why so many players stick to CP campagins.

Not nessacarly. If a player such as myself has played this game for two years. Who only plays PvP, and knows how many players are in campaigns. Then we know quite a bit. Out the the two years I've been playing this game, non-CP campaigns have always had empty - 1 bar populations. While CP campaigns were either population locked or had multiple bars. Even more so when the developers started removing campaigns. On the xbox for months the Non-CP campagin was always empty, while CP campaigns had an average (1 - 2 bars) to locked population.

Vivec has full queues because the players want to play CP campagins not Non-CP campaigns. From the announcement of the campaign changes, I've seen nothing but players hate, argument, dissagreement with this idea. Because the vast majority of the community does not and did not want it.

Reasilticly Non-CP campagins have been in the game for a long time now. And those campaigns have always remained empty or very low population. Because the majority never wanted to play in them. Now those players are being forced to play in them or get stuck in long queue times. Of which they have decided to stick with the queue times, because they don't want to be forced to do something that they never wanted in the first place.

dotme

I must be lucky - I have, so far, never waited in a queue to enter Vivec and I play prime time daily. What faction has a huge queue?

The_Duke

Played vivic for a few hours last night and it was laggy, no que but hard to play. I switched to sotha sil and although you had to find the action it was much more enjoyable to play. Choices have consequences in no CP.

Takes-No-Prisoner

dotme wrote: »

I must be lucky - I have, so far, never waited in a queue to enter Vivec and I play prime time daily. What faction has a huge queue?

Probably Yellow and Blue. From what I saw last night @dotme Red seems to be dominating right now because they can't hide anymore. Since all the VIP guilds came back to Vivec, I expect Red's que to only get worse as time goes on.

BroanBeast1215

Sigtric wrote: »

ZOS sees it. For whatever their reasons are they are trying to change it.

Personally, CP camps suck compaired to non CP. If more people would let go of the CP crutch and go experience the non-CP side they may see why.

Bottom line: They get to see a lot of data you and I don't, and their vision for what the game needs to be is the one that counts.

Vivec has a full queue because people are too resistant/scared/dumb/bad to try the change.

LOL ironic that you're calling others bad when you clearly couldn't hack it in cp enabled pvp. I have played both extensively and this patch Vivec is just more enjoyable

kuro-dono

BroanBeast1215 wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

ZOS sees it. For whatever their reasons are they are trying to change it.

Personally, CP camps suck compaired to non CP. If more people would let go of the CP crutch and go experience the non-CP side they may see why.

Bottom line: They get to see a lot of data you and I don't, and their vision for what the game needs to be is the one that counts.

Vivec has a full queue because people are too resistant/scared/dumb/bad to try the change.

LOL ironic that you're calling others bad when you clearly couldn't hack it in cp enabled pvp. I have played both extensively and this patch Vivec is just more enjoyable

says one star person? or maybe you had been dreaming of being part of forums for ages and only re cently joined.
the thing is. no cp offers way more challenging way more complex pvp than cp enabled does. ALSO. cp is something that should never have arrived into cyrodiil with its current form. we guess zenimax didnt see/realize the potentiality of tank builds/ultimate gank builds/ perma roll/ perma bolt / perma whatever builds.

on pc EU non cp pvp offers million time better pvp environment possibility than cp enabled would EVER offer. but thats only my two and half cent of knowledge of the game.