Why are people wasting gold on Witchmother's Brew?

MLGProPlayer

I see people spending 50-100k on this previously worthless recipe (I vendored over 100 of these off during the Halloween festival because they were so common). But I'm perplexed as to why. Maybe my logic is flawed, so please correct me if I'm wrong. But the way I see it is that blue food is still superior (or at least just as good).

By replacing blue food with Witchmother's Brew, you are losing 2.2k health and 1.7k magicka in order to gain around 300 magicka regen. That means you need to use a 5-1-1 setup with this drink (due to the low health). Going with 5-1-1 instead of 7 light means you lose 8% magicka regen and 4% cost reduction (largely nullifying the magicka regen bonus from the drink). And despite using 5-1-1, you'll still need to put at aleast a few attribute points into health to reach 17k, lowering your max magicka even further (and by extension, your DPS).

It just doesn't seem worthwile to.me to use this drink. Has anyone done any testing to show it's better than blue food?

Patouf

Best drink for dps PvP

For PvE it depend on your build.


5/1/1 is for PvE and PvP Dps, you also gain 6% max stats and nice recovery with synergy.

3xx magicka recovery is more powerful than +8% recovery in 7 light armor and 4% reduction and you have less armor.

Universe

Witchmother's Potent Brew isn't better than blue food.
It is just different.
If you want more magicka recovery, then Witchmother's Potent Brew is better.
If you want higher damage output & extra health, then blue food is better.

But overall, I'm just fine with blue food in both PVP & PVE

Dixa

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

I see people spending 50-100k on this previously worthless recipe (I vendored over 100 of these off during the Halloween festival because they were so common). But I'm perplexed as to why. Maybe my logic is flawed, so please correct me if I'm wrong. But the way I see it is that blue food is still superior (or at least just as good).

By replacing blue food with Witchmother's Brew, you are losing 2.2k health and 1.7k magicka in order to gain around 300 magicka regen. That means you need to use a 5-1-1 setup with this drink (due to the low health). Going with 5-1-1 instead of 7 light means you lose 8% magicka regen and 4% cost reduction (largely nullifying the magicka regen bonus from the drink). And despite using 5-1-1, you'll still need to put at aleast a few attribute points into health to reach 17k, lowering your max magicka even further (and by extension, your DPS).

It just doesn't seem worthwile to.me to use this drink. Has anyone done any testing to show it's better than blue food?

some youtube scrubstar said it's the best around so people have begun speculating on the recipes.

QuebraRegra

Dixa wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

I see people spending 50-100k on this previously worthless recipe (I vendored over 100 of these off during the Halloween festival because they were so common). But I'm perplexed as to why. Maybe my logic is flawed, so please correct me if I'm wrong. But the way I see it is that blue food is still superior (or at least just as good).

By replacing blue food with Witchmother's Brew, you are losing 2.2k health and 1.7k magicka in order to gain around 300 magicka regen. That means you need to use a 5-1-1 setup with this drink (due to the low health). Going with 5-1-1 instead of 7 light means you lose 8% magicka regen and 4% cost reduction (largely nullifying the magicka regen bonus from the drink). And despite using 5-1-1, you'll still need to put at aleast a few attribute points into health to reach 17k, lowering your max magicka even further (and by extension, your DPS).

It just doesn't seem worthwile to.me to use this drink. Has anyone done any testing to show it's better than blue food?

some youtube scrubstar said it's the best around so people have begun speculating on the recipes.

LOL! that explains it. Hmm, so I should sell my recipe BEFORE everyone comes to the realization that BLUE FOOD is better? Anyone XBOX NA want to buy it for 50K?

DocFrost72

Dixa wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

I see people spending 50-100k on this previously worthless recipe (I vendored over 100 of these off during the Halloween festival because they were so common). But I'm perplexed as to why. Maybe my logic is flawed, so please correct me if I'm wrong. But the way I see it is that blue food is still superior (or at least just as good).

By replacing blue food with Witchmother's Brew, you are losing 2.2k health and 1.7k magicka in order to gain around 300 magicka regen. That means you need to use a 5-1-1 setup with this drink (due to the low health). Going with 5-1-1 instead of 7 light means you lose 8% magicka regen and 4% cost reduction (largely nullifying the magicka regen bonus from the drink). And despite using 5-1-1, you'll still need to put at aleast a few attribute points into health to reach 17k, lowering your max magicka even further (and by extension, your DPS).

It just doesn't seem worthwile to.me to use this drink. Has anyone done any testing to show it's better than blue food?

some youtube scrubstar said it's the best around so people have begun speculating on the recipes.

Unsure why, but that seems like salt...

Betsararie

You use it if you want recovery.

It's entirely viable you just have to move things around if you're running willpower set, slot a healthy ring instead of arcane or put points into health.

I still run max health / magicka blue food because I don't think it's necessary. I have over 18k health with zero points into health and no healthy enchants on armor / jewelry, but that's a pve build (don't run mag sorc much in pvp). I also have 52k magicka.

As for 5-1-1, you should always be running that IMO.

In what instance is 7 light superior for a dps build?

MLGProPlayer

Blanco wrote: »

In what instance is 7 light superior for a dps build?

If you're not going with a 2pc monster set (say you want to wear 5pc MD). Or if you're wearing necro and would prefer extra sustain to max magicka.

Savos_Saren

I use Witchmother's brew on my mDK Tank and mWarden Tank. They have plenty of health and magicka regen for days. It's pretty potent for a 5pc heavy armor build.

SanTii.92

Honestly, i'm just missing every shoulder and helm on light armor. Never thought about keeping them, and now i'm too lazy to farm for them.

FrancisCrawford

Assuming that you'll rejigger other stats to make max health be whatever you want it to be (attribute points, enchantments, whatever), it's a straight trade of max magicka for magicka regen. And since various ways to get magicka recovery no longer scale off of max magicka, that means it's a trade-off of damage-per-spellcast (and pet health/shield strength if for example you're a sorcerer) vs. total available magicka over the course of a fight.

Betsararie

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

In what instance is 7 light superior for a dps build?

If you're not going with a 2pc monster set (say you want to wear 5pc MD). Or if you're wearing necro and would prefer extra sustain to max magicka.

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

In what instance is 7 light superior for a dps build?

If you're not going with a 2pc monster set (say you want to wear 5pc MD). Or if you're wearing necro and would prefer extra sustain to max magicka.

Interesting. Well I'll have to look into that if any turn up better than my current build I'll switch.

I'm running a pretty standard necro build with divines pieces and illambris. Don't have much trouble clearing content.

For sustain, another option to explore is slotting 3 or 4 piece lich for jewelry / weapon. For those who don't have MD

Magdalina

It's "superior" in the same sense that purple tri-food is superior to blue food. If you need stamina along with magicka (PvP, tanking, etc), you'll take the purple tri-food rather than the blue one even though it'll give less health and magicka. If you need magicka recovery (which is more important now with the sustain nerfs), you'll take Brew over the blue food.

I've been using Brew to dps a lot even before Morrowind, that regeneration really does come in handy. If you can sustain without it, then of course go for blue food.

Also, why would you not wear 5/1/1 as a magicka dps, regardless of the food you use?
You'd be losing 4% max magicka, that's quite a nice boost.

theamazingx

Dixa wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

I see people spending 50-100k on this previously worthless recipe (I vendored over 100 of these off during the Halloween festival because they were so common). But I'm perplexed as to why. Maybe my logic is flawed, so please correct me if I'm wrong. But the way I see it is that blue food is still superior (or at least just as good).

By replacing blue food with Witchmother's Brew, you are losing 2.2k health and 1.7k magicka in order to gain around 300 magicka regen. That means you need to use a 5-1-1 setup with this drink (due to the low health). Going with 5-1-1 instead of 7 light means you lose 8% magicka regen and 4% cost reduction (largely nullifying the magicka regen bonus from the drink). And despite using 5-1-1, you'll still need to put at aleast a few attribute points into health to reach 17k, lowering your max magicka even further (and by extension, your DPS).

It just doesn't seem worthwile to.me to use this drink. Has anyone done any testing to show it's better than blue food?

some youtube scrubstar said it's the best around so people have begun speculating on the recipes.

There are people so blind to the large theorycrafting community that they actually believe this is how a meta shift happens

Biro123

Goes well with Shacklebreaker.

Previously you may have gone tri-stat food, but this drink with shackle means you're not really losing out too much on the max stam but gain in recov and max mag.

anitajoneb17_ESO

A food/drink as such isn't better or worse than any other. It's an overall build (including food/drink buff, among many other parameters) that is, all things considered, maybe better or worse than another.

Also, for people like me who are not into min/maxing every single stat, Brew is much more comfortable than blue food, for at least three reasons :
- it helps a lot with magicka regen
- it scales all the way from level 1 to CP160, which means you don't need to switch food/drink when levelling
- it lasts 2 hours.

Besides, regardless of whether people actually use the drink or not, the recipe itself is worth more and more, simply because you can't get it anywhere in the game right now. Supply is strictly limited to what people have been saving since Halloween' event.

vamp_emily

I think it is because one of the popular streamers recommended Witchmother's Brew. Everyone has to have what the streams recommend.

Thanks for the tip, I am going to start selling some

SodanTok

You gain more than 300regen. While stats are boosted too by some % its probably no more than 30% for average user. With regen you have much much more. CP, armor passives, class passives, racial passives, Major/Minor buffs. These are some huge modifiers. Talking 50-100% more regen.

hedna123b14_ESO

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

In what instance is 7 light superior for a dps build?

If you're not going with a 2pc monster set (say you want to wear 5pc MD). Or if you're wearing necro and would prefer extra sustain to max magicka.

If you arent wearing a monster helm in PvE you are losing damage 100% guarantee:)

Juhasow

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

In what instance is 7 light superior for a dps build?

If you're not going with a 2pc monster set (say you want to wear 5pc MD). Or if you're wearing necro and would prefer extra sustain to max magicka.

If you arent wearing a monster helm in PvE you are losing damage 100% guarantee:)

Not quite true. I've been testing on PTS mag nb without monster set with 5 master architect 5 scathing mage and and maelstorm staffs and DPS was pretty similar and sometimes little higher to what I had with monster set. I've also seen similar combinations for stam users with war machine.

hedna123b14_ESO

Juhasow wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

In what instance is 7 light superior for a dps build?

If you're not going with a 2pc monster set (say you want to wear 5pc MD). Or if you're wearing necro and would prefer extra sustain to max magicka.

If you arent wearing a monster helm in PvE you are losing damage 100% guarantee:)

Not quite true. I've been testing on PTS mag nb without monster set with 5 master architect 5 scathing mage and and maelstorm staffs and DPS was pretty similar and sometimes little higher to what I had with monster set. I've also seen similar combinations for stam users with war machine.

5 scathing 2 ilambris 4 moondancer gives 39k+ dps on dummy, what are yoi getting with MA/Scathing setup?

acw37162

With the sustain changes Potent With Mothers and Camerons Dubious Thorne and preferred PVP foods

danno8

The difference in Magicka Regeneration when I switch from food to Wichmothers is 418.

And that is with a Breton Templar, the difference would be even larger for, say, an Altmer Sorc (probably over 500).

So what seems good on a tooltip is often different in practice.

Waffennacht

Ty, selling one at 15k now. Muhahaha

Tryxus

Trading a bit of extra HP & Mag for Mag Regen.

It's my preffered drink for duels and BG

MLGProPlayer

I didn't think about PvP. Makes sense now.

Izaki

Blue food isn't "better" or worse. You have very different playstyles with the two.

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO

From PvE perspective I only see the blue food being better only for vTrials. For all other instances the witchmother is better, because if you run the blue food you would need to enchant one of the rings or the amulet with magicka regen glyph for sustain on higher health bosses.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Because it's useful and you cant get it anymore. With the sustain changes to morrowind, people are having to make regen a part of the build. Not saying it's the best way, but it's certainly a viable option. I am currently running it in VHOF and it is amazing.

Takes-No-Prisoner

Not to de-rail the thread, but I honestly wonder how much Dubious Camorean Throne goes for now. That stuff was as difficult to find.

Juhasow

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

In what instance is 7 light superior for a dps build?

If you're not going with a 2pc monster set (say you want to wear 5pc MD). Or if you're wearing necro and would prefer extra sustain to max magicka.

If you arent wearing a monster helm in PvE you are losing damage 100% guarantee:)

Not quite true. I've been testing on PTS mag nb without monster set with 5 master architect 5 scathing mage and and maelstorm staffs and DPS was pretty similar and sometimes little higher to what I had with monster set. I've also seen similar combinations for stam users with war machine.

5 scathing 2 ilambris 4 moondancer gives 39k+ dps on dummy, what are yoi getting with MA/Scathing setup?

40k