Should locking an item make it unenchantable?

TheForseti

Should locking an item also make in unenchantable, as well as preventing deconstruction? This is a huge concern with both Master weapons and Maelstrom weapons. Everyone I have talked to in all my guilds doesn't know why this isn't already a feature. Grinding vMA or vDSA for hundreds of runs to get the perfect gear is onerous enough as is, but accidentally enchanting over the unique enchant when you have the item locked would be disastrous. No I have never done this, but I am forever paranoid that it is a possibility.

I am not on the forums often. Sorry if this is a repeat post.

DMuehlhausen

No

Enchants can be changed at any time, and doesn't permanently change the item.

Deconstructing sure does or selling if you don't notice it quick enough.

Soleya

Yes

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Enchants can be changed at any time, and doesn't permanently change the item.

Deconstructing sure does or selling if you don't notice it quick enough.

It does if it's a Maelstrom or Master weapon, enchanting those destroys the original enchant and no way to get it back.

TheForseti

Yes

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Enchants can be changed at any time, and doesn't permanently change the item.

Deconstructing sure does or selling if you don't notice it quick enough.

Master and Maelstrom weapons are the specific concern. They are unique enchants that cannot be created by the player. If overwritten, they are lost and the weapon is rendered generic.

idk

No

Soleya wrote: »

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Enchants can be changed at any time, and doesn't permanently change the item.

Deconstructing sure does or selling if you don't notice it quick enough.

It does if it's a Maelstrom or Master weapon, enchanting those destroys the original enchant and no way to get it back.

Your comment is understandable, however, how far should Zos have to go to protect ourselves from not paying attention to what we are doing?

Smmokkee

Yes

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Enchants can be changed at any time, and doesn't permanently change the item.

Deconstructing sure does or selling if you don't notice it quick enough.

Except you run out of charges on your vMA or master weapons go to charge it real quick and end up enchanting it with a green cp150 shock glyph.

Makes no sense they didn't lock enchanting out as well

TheForseti

Yes

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Soleya wrote: »

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Enchants can be changed at any time, and doesn't permanently change the item.

Deconstructing sure does or selling if you don't notice it quick enough.

It does if it's a Maelstrom or Master weapon, enchanting those destroys the original enchant and no way to get it back.

Your comment is understandable, however, how far should Zos have to go to protect ourselves from not paying attention to what we are doing?

That's a fair point. I don't know anything about coding, but my gut says this would be a fairly simple change.

Smmokkee

Yes

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Soleya wrote: »

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Enchants can be changed at any time, and doesn't permanently change the item.

Deconstructing sure does or selling if you don't notice it quick enough.

It does if it's a Maelstrom or Master weapon, enchanting those destroys the original enchant and no way to get it back.

Your comment is understandable, however, how far should Zos have to go to protect ourselves from not paying attention to what we are doing?

A lot of stuff happens in the heat of the moment if you're trying to charge your weapon.

To be honest it's way to easy to throw an enchant over your current ones.

SpacemanSpiff1

Yes

The enchanting option should be locked if the item is locked. I am also paranoid about ruining my master weapons.

Livvy

Yes

While this doesn't affect me, as I don't own any Master weapons...I don't see any harm in making it so there is a safeguard in place to avoid accidentally ruining them. Seems like a good and logical idea to me!

SASQUATCH0

Yes

I came very very close to enchanting my vma sharp inferno trying to charge it in the midst of battle. Lucky for me, I caught myself. So yes locking would be nice

Vapirko

Why are there even people who have to say no to this lol. There's always people who feel the need to say no to something that would literally have no effect on them. It would only help the people who wanted it.

Ashdroid

Yes

Why does "enchant" come before "charge" (in the PS4 interface)? I've accidentally enchanted instead of charging before, and
have nearly done it many more times.

Nemesis7884

No

I personally would even prefer if i could improve locked items

Sakiri

SASQUATCH0 wrote: »

I came very very close to enchanting my vma sharp inferno trying to charge it in the midst of battle. Lucky for me, I caught myself. So yes locking would be nice

Solution to this is charge it before the fight, regardless of charge level.

psxfloh

Yes

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Soleya wrote: »

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Enchants can be changed at any time, and doesn't permanently change the item.

Deconstructing sure does or selling if you don't notice it quick enough.

It does if it's a Maelstrom or Master weapon, enchanting those destroys the original enchant and no way to get it back.

Your comment is understandable, however, how far should Zos have to go to protect ourselves from not paying attention to what we are doing?

imho it's not about protecting ppl not paying attention. It's more about the interface that makes it far too easy to overwrite your enchantment...
The two options "enchant" and "recharge" are directly above each other. Add a little delay to your button press (due to performance/lag) and whoops you're enchanting your weapon instead of recharging it. Of course the next button press registers instantly - without an additional dialog to confirm, the Nine forbid! - and BAM, gone is your maelstrom or master enchantment.

There are plenty of simple solutions out there. Implementing only one of them would end each and every discussion about it, forever. Even economically it would be the right thing to do.. I'd like to know how many hours are spent on support tickets and forum threads about overwritten maelstrom/master enchantments!

Just implement one of these:
- "locked" items cannot be changed in any way. period. this includes enchanting, of course. and no, "recharging" does not 'change' the weapon
- add an additional confirm dialog when someone is about to change an enchantment. This will protect people who want to recharge their weapon in a hurry (e.g. in the middle of vma or a bossfight), who open their weapon menu and quickly press the button twice, but - due to lag or a button press that went unregistered - were on "enchant" instead of "recharge".
- remove the "enchant" option from maelstrom and master weapons. My guess is the number of RPers who'd like to have an maelstrom styled weapon with a glowing fire enchantment is somewhere around zero..!?
- remove "enchant" from the weapon menu, make it an option at enchanting tables only. Or is anyone changing his kuta-enchantments on-the-fly, in the middle of a trial or a dungeon run, to squeeze another 0.01% out of his already min/maxed char?

Avran_Sylt

Yes

If I lock an item, I want it to stay as it is. Why are locked items not listed under the improvement page on crafting stations? There is zero negative to upgrading your weapon. So, same should hold true for it and enchanting.

Lavennin

Yes

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

If I lock an item, I want it to stay as it is. Why are locked items not listed under the improvement page on crafting stations? There is zero negative to upgrading your weapon. So, same should hold true for it and enchanting.

There is, if it's not 100% success rate. Frankly no one upgrades below 100% but still. There are some design choices that are just difficult to understand (being able to enchant a weapon anywhere is one of them).

F7sus4

Yes

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Soleya wrote: »

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Enchants can be changed at any time, and doesn't permanently change the item.

Deconstructing sure does or selling if you don't notice it quick enough.

It does if it's a Maelstrom or Master weapon, enchanting those destroys the original enchant and no way to get it back.

Your comment is understandable, however, how far should Zos have to go to protect ourselves from not paying attention to what we are doing?

You're speaking so big like it's driving 2000 miles when it's just disabling one simple click from happening. Easy as that.

NewBlacksmurf

Yes

Initially I thought it did....then ppl complained about vMSA items being enchanted by accident so I guess not.

Lock should block any changes tho, even sales

wolfxspice

Yes

this should have been implemented when weapon locking was put in.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

Yes

Vapirko wrote: »

Why are there even people who have to say no to this lol. There's always people who feel the need to say no to something that would literally have no effect on them. It would only help the people who wanted it.

Because people are idiots, there's no downside to this suggestion.

zaria

Yes

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Soleya wrote: »

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Enchants can be changed at any time, and doesn't permanently change the item.

Deconstructing sure does or selling if you don't notice it quick enough.

It does if it's a Maelstrom or Master weapon, enchanting those destroys the original enchant and no way to get it back.

Your comment is understandable, however, how far should Zos have to go to protect ourselves from not paying attention to what we are doing?

I would rater have restriction toward enchant than upgrade.
I understand the issue here, you are in an dungeon, weapon is uncharged, you hurry to charge it and select enchant instead.

Upgrade on the other hand is only done on an crafting station while you are focused, You are also paying attention as you know mistakes are expensive.

Enodoc

Yes

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Soleya wrote: »

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Enchants can be changed at any time, and doesn't permanently change the item.

Deconstructing sure does or selling if you don't notice it quick enough.

It does if it's a Maelstrom or Master weapon, enchanting those destroys the original enchant and no way to get it back.

Your comment is understandable, however, how far should Zos have to go to protect ourselves from not paying attention to what we are doing?

Isn't that kinda the point of item locks at all? They wouldn't be needed if people were always paying attention.

DrSweetazz

Yes

Dumb that it's not implemented. I tried recharging a vma fire Staff on the fly during a speed run try and ruined the weapon. Zos fixed it, but it took me 2 months of communication, and a forum post to make it happen.

ZOS_BobbyWeir

Thanks for the feedback everyone! We are planning to add an extra confirmation for enchanting locked weapons and armor to help mitigate these issues. You'll receive an additional prompt warning you that the item is locked, which will require you to first type in "CONFIRM" (PC) or wait some time (Consoles) before you can finalize the enchant. We're also looking at switching the order of the context menu so that Enchant and Charge aren't right next to each other.

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

I personally would even prefer if i could improve locked items

We're planning on making a couple changes to Improvement too. You'll be able to improve locked items if you have a 100% chance, and you will be able to improve items your character is currently wearing.

Tyrobag

ZOS_BobbyWeir wrote: »

Thanks for the feedback everyone! We are planning to add an extra confirmation for enchanting locked weapons and armor to help mitigate these issues. You'll receive an additional prompt warning you that the item is locked, which will require you to first type in "CONFIRM" (PC) or wait some time (Consoles) before you can finalize the enchant. We're also looking at switching the order of the context menu so that Enchant and Charge aren't right next to each other.

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

I personally would even prefer if i could improve locked items

We're planning on making a couple changes to Improvement too. You'll be able to improve locked items if you have a 100% chance, and you will be able to improve items your character is currently wearing.

Thank you! This is the kind of thing we like to see from ZoS on the forums!

MissBizz

ZOS_BobbyWeir wrote: »

Thanks for the feedback everyone! We are planning to add an extra confirmation for enchanting locked weapons and armor to help mitigate these issues. You'll receive an additional prompt warning you that the item is locked, which will require you to first type in "CONFIRM" (PC) or wait some time (Consoles) before you can finalize the enchant. We're also looking at switching the order of the context menu so that Enchant and Charge aren't right next to each other.

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

I personally would even prefer if i could improve locked items

We're planning on making a couple changes to Improvement too. You'll be able to improve locked items if you have a 100% chance, and you will be able to improve items your character is currently wearing.

Can I please request the ability to lock consumables? So they can't be, err, consumed?

max_only

Yes

The hand of Zos has touched this thread. By Azura! You have been blessed!

Ruusa

ZOS_BobbyWeir wrote: »

Thanks for the feedback everyone! We are planning to add an extra confirmation for enchanting locked weapons and armor to help mitigate these issues. You'll receive an additional prompt warning you that the item is locked, which will require you to first type in "CONFIRM" (PC) or wait some time (Consoles) before you can finalize the enchant. We're also looking at switching the order of the context menu so that Enchant and Charge aren't right next to each other.

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

I personally would even prefer if i could improve locked items

We're planning on making a couple changes to Improvement too. You'll be able to improve locked items if you have a 100% chance, and you will be able to improve items your character is currently wearing.

This is amazing! Just one little request. While improving, can we have a "hide locked" button? I can have 300 locked gearpieces in my bank, and if they all suddenly start showing up in my improvement window it will be hard to find some pants that i just crafted and want to improve.

Avran_Sylt

Yes

Ruusa wrote: »

ZOS_BobbyWeir wrote: »

Thanks for the feedback everyone! We are planning to add an extra confirmation for enchanting locked weapons and armor to help mitigate these issues. You'll receive an additional prompt warning you that the item is locked, which will require you to first type in "CONFIRM" (PC) or wait some time (Consoles) before you can finalize the enchant. We're also looking at switching the order of the context menu so that Enchant and Charge aren't right next to each other.

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

I personally would even prefer if i could improve locked items

We're planning on making a couple changes to Improvement too. You'll be able to improve locked items if you have a 100% chance, and you will be able to improve items your character is currently wearing.

This is amazing! Just one little request. While improving, can we have a "hide locked" button? I can have 300 locked gearpieces in my bank, and if they all suddenly start showing up in my improvement window it will be hard to find some pants that i just crafted and want to improve.

Hmm, perhaps then they could make it so you can only upgrade/dismantle items that are in your inventory?