Mag Sorc PvP Battleground Meta Builds

Hutch679

What are people running for battlegrounds on mag Sorc with lots of success? So many set combinations look appealing but I'm having a difficult time nailing down what to use. Any suggestions?

Hutch679

I've thought about...

1) 5 amberplasm/5 spinner/2 infernal guardian
Dual wield/ resto staff
5 Light/1/1

2) 5 amberplasm /5 shackle breaker/2 willpower
Dual wield/ resto staff
5 light/1/1

3) 5 amberplasm/5 shackle breaker/vma destroy
Inferno staff/ resto staff
5 light/1/1

Any thoughts on these three options?

Minalan

Hutch679 wrote: »

I've thought about...

1) 5 amberplasm/5 spinner/2 infernal guardian
Dual wield/ resto staff
5 Light/1/1

2) 5 amberplasm /5 shackle breaker/2 willpower
Dual wield/ resto staff
5 light/1/1

3) 5 amberplasm/5 shackle breaker/vma destroy
Inferno staff/ resto staff
5 light/1/1

Any thoughts on these three options?

Good luck sustaining with just amberplasm in no-CP. Unless you want to be a heavy attack bot.

Juhasow

Endles fury is new meta. You can run naked just make sure You have it on bar when You're in BG's.

Hutch679

Minalan wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

I've thought about...

1) 5 amberplasm/5 spinner/2 infernal guardian
Dual wield/ resto staff
5 Light/1/1

2) 5 amberplasm /5 shackle breaker/2 willpower
Dual wield/ resto staff
5 light/1/1

3) 5 amberplasm/5 shackle breaker/vma destroy
Inferno staff/ resto staff
5 light/1/1

Any thoughts on these three options?

Good luck sustaining with just amberplasm in no-CP. Unless you want to be a heavy attack bot.

Amberplasm* and witch brew I'm at ~1800 regen though. Is that not enough? Add shackle breaker and it's much more because of class passives/vamp/mage guild passives.

DEATHquidox

Hutch679 wrote: »

I've thought about...

1) 5 amberplasm/5 spinner/2 infernal guardian
Dual wield/ resto staff
5 Light/1/1

2) 5 amberplasm /5 shackle breaker/2 willpower
Dual wield/ resto staff
5 light/1/1

3) 5 amberplasm/5 shackle breaker/vma destroy
Inferno staff/ resto staff
5 light/1/1

Any thoughts on these three options?

With (1 comparing the damage output of duel wield to a desto staff whats the difference in damage because you will be attacking with light att if ur destro

Hutch679

DEATHquidox wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

I've thought about...

1) 5 amberplasm/5 spinner/2 infernal guardian
Dual wield/ resto staff
5 Light/1/1

2) 5 amberplasm /5 shackle breaker/2 willpower
Dual wield/ resto staff
5 light/1/1

3) 5 amberplasm/5 shackle breaker/vma destroy
Inferno staff/ resto staff
5 light/1/1

Any thoughts on these three options?

With (1 comparing the damage output of duel wield to a desto staff whats the difference in damage because you will be attacking with light att if ur destro

You focus more on timing burst when you dual wield and empower your frags with entropy. Basically use haunting curse, endless fury, entropy, frag, spam endless fury or use a dawnbreaker. Hardly anyone survives that combo. Especially if they don't see it coming. It's just way too much burst damage.

chongguang

What about using Shacklebreaker plus skeleton monster sets with DW ? I saw one of a player upload such kind of build on Youtube.
If so, which trait if good for sorcerer right now ? I mean can i use divine instead of impen for PVP in this game version???

aLi3nZ

This is a high damage fun build. Also good for overload

Your choice of monster set
5x julianos with duel wield sharpened swords
5x lich

Even though I kinda hate pets I use this most of the time because it does very well on all important factors. Damage, sustain and survivability. All other builds I have tested are just not quite as good. The pet is put on passive and it is rarely ever focused by the enemy.

5x lich
5x necropotence
2x pirate skelly

Trashs1

i use shacklebreaker+ alteration mastery+ 1 monster with max magica

works well for me

Hutch679

aLi3nZ wrote: »

This is a high damage fun build. Also good for overload

Your choice of monster set
5x julianos with duel wield sharpened swords
5x lich

Even though I kinda hate pets I use this most of the time because it does very well on all important factors. Damage, sustain and survivability. All other builds I have tested are just not quite as good. The pet is put on passive and it is rarely ever focused by the enemy.

5x lich
5x necropotence
2x pirate skelly

I didn't like lich in there. Mostly because the proc is once per minute and I'm constantly fighting. I have to wait on the licht proc to go back to full magicka. I don't use dark conversion because I need mines and boundless to protect myself when shield's go down (just my preferred playstyle). I do sometimes use it on my overload bar after I'm out of a fight tho

RazorCaltrops

5 amberplasm
5 shacklebreaker with tri-glyphs on big pieces
Vma/master's desto + master's resto

Who needs cost reduction sets ?

Hutch679

RazorCaltrops wrote: »

5 amberplasm
5 shacklebreaker with tri-glyphs on big pieces
Vma/master's desto + master's resto

Who needs cost reduction sets ?

Yeah that's my staff build. For dual wield I use 2 willpower sharpened swords for the max magicka

Cody_svk

I just love my MagSorc at the moment in Battlegrounds - I use:

4-5 Lich (5-piece Destro)
4-5 Seducer (5-piece Resto)
2 Blood Spawn

- it is everything for survivability and sustain, so I have all 3 jewelry glyphs with Spell Damage...
- of course the damage is not the highest, but Curse+Mages Wrath+Crystal Frags+Force Pulse does the job
- Sharpened Lich Destro is boss drop, so it is super easy to get
- Seducer on backbar enables me to spam Healing Ward, Streak, Boundless Storm, and Mines a lot while still good with sustain
- Panacea is just so amazing

Hutch679

Cody_svk wrote: »

I just love my MagSorc at the moment in Battlegrounds - I use:

4-5 Lich (5-piece Destro)
4-5 Seducer (5-piece Resto)
2 Blood Spawn

- it is everything for survivability and sustain, so I have all 3 jewelry glyphs with Spell Damage...
- of course the damage is not the highest, but Curse+Mages Wrath+Crystal Frags+Force Pulse does the job
- Sharpened Lich Destro is boss drop, so it is super easy to get
- Seducer on backbar enables me to spam Healing Ward, Streak, Boundless Storm, and Mines a lot while still good with sustain
- Panacea is just so amazing

Three stuns and you have to eat a full duration stun with no ward. Your stam pool is wicked low my friend

NightSquirrel

I don't think 5 5 2 is BiS for magsorc. I'll throw that out there. Destro staff ftw.

NightSquirrel

Pardon: unless 5 5 2 is on backbar with bsw proc*

Hutch679

NightSquirrel wrote: »

I don't think 5 5 2 is BiS for magsorc. I'll throw that out there. Destro staff ftw.

Dual wield sorcs can easily compete with destroy staff sorcs. Crushing shock is not the end all skill move, and dawn breaker is just as effective as destro ultimate. You can cast almost 2 dawn breakers for the cost of one destro ultimate. Tell me when you get from a staff that makes it so much better than dual wield? Light attack weaves that get permanent dodged? I've used both, and both are very close to being equal.

cschwingeb14_ESO

Amberplasm, willpower, 2x infernal guardian and vMA destro. Tri-food, atro, 1-2x regen glyphs and at least 1x tri-glyph, rest magicka. 5L-1-1

I'm not a fan of infernal guardian in cyrodiil, as it's always hitting the wrong target or no one at all. But in BGs it's a lot better

Kay1

NightSquirrel wrote: »

Pardon: unless 5 5 2 is on backbar with bsw proc*

You're wrong, dual wield is way better than destro staff, the burst is way higher on dual wield, the playstyle itself gives also more sustain

Irylia

Kay1 wrote: »

NightSquirrel wrote: »

Pardon: unless 5 5 2 is on backbar with bsw proc*

You're wrong, dual wield is way better than destro staff, the burst is way higher on dual wield, the playstyle itself gives also more sustain

Dw playstyle is telegraphed af. No competent player should die to it.
Less sustained pressure, lose 8% dmg increase, lose light/heavy weaves, have to spam degen for a proc. Don't have Utility from cshock to interrupt.

But preference

Hutch679

Irylia wrote: »

Kay1 wrote: »

NightSquirrel wrote: »

Pardon: unless 5 5 2 is on backbar with bsw proc*

You're wrong, dual wield is way better than destro staff, the burst is way higher on dual wield, the playstyle itself gives also more sustain

Dw playstyle is telegraphed af. No competent player should die to it.
Less sustained pressure, lose 8% dmg increase, lose light/heavy weaves, have to spam degen for a proc. Don't have Utility from cshock to interrupt.

But preference

Why would you use degeneration on a dual wield build that doesn't use light or heavy attacks? Makes me think you're just regurgitating things you've read from other forum posts rather then actually know what you're talking about. Telegraphed af? How do you plan to avoid a dawn breaker stun into an instant frag while haunting curse goes off and mage fury? You must have never fought a good dual wield sorc. It's very difficult to survive a good burst combo from them. Bad dual wield sorc just throw a frag whenever. Good ones hit dawn breaker to stun you first so you have no choice but to eat the frag.

Also you only lose 2% damage increase... dual wield swords still increase damage by 6%... smh

DEATHquidox

Hutch679 wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

Kay1 wrote: »

NightSquirrel wrote: »

Pardon: unless 5 5 2 is on backbar with bsw proc*

You're wrong, dual wield is way better than destro staff, the burst is way higher on dual wield, the playstyle itself gives also more sustain

Dw playstyle is telegraphed af. No competent player should die to it.
Less sustained pressure, lose 8% dmg increase, lose light/heavy weaves, have to spam degen for a proc. Don't have Utility from cshock to interrupt.

But preference

Why would you use degeneration on a dual wield build that doesn't use light or heavy attacks? Makes me think you're just regurgitating things you've read from other forum posts rather then actually know what you're talking about. Telegraphed af? How do you plan to avoid a dawn breaker stun into an instant frag while haunting curse goes off and mage fury? You must have never fought a good dual wield sorc. It's very difficult to survive a good burst combo from them. Bad dual wield sorc just throw a frag whenever. Good ones hit dawn breaker to stun you first so you have no choice but to eat the frag.

Also you only lose 2% damage increase... dual wield swords still increase damage by 6%... smh

What ur rotation? Dawnbreaker mages fury frags?

I use to run dw with magicka det on my sorc I would apply det then curse dawn breaker frags fury dead

Hutch679

Hardened ward, structured entropy (for the major sorcery, it won't empower haunting curse), haunting curse, mage fury, dawnbreaker, structured entropy, frag, then spam mage fury. If they don't stun you or if they don't dodge something they are royally f'ed. It's so much burst and they can't block it when they are on the floor from the DB stun. Just have to make sure your frag is proc'd for the instant cast. If they survive that then they are gonna be low on resources or scrambling to heal.

Waffennacht

I'm also shocked to see mSorcs not running Mines, absolutely great for Cap the flag and defensive measures. I even have had players use my mines as a trap to burst with

Hutch679

Waffennacht wrote: »

I'm also shocked to see mSorcs not running Mines, absolutely great for Cap the flag and defensive measures. I even have had players use my mines as a trap to burst with

My bars are...

Frag
Structured entropy
Hardened ward
Haunting curse
Endless fury
Dawnbreaker

Harness magic
Healing hard
Daedric mines
Boundless storm
Streak
Life giver or *overload

*Overload bar
Harness magicka
Dark conversion
Hardened ward
Defensive rune
Streak

Gotta have the defense bar with harness, healing ward, mines, and armor from boundless storm. (Just my prefered setup)

grim_tactics

I'm going to go ahead and say it.

Front load damage and screw regen in BGs.

Unless you're ok with just being a support role spamming execute and getting out when your team wipes.

If you're wanting to burst players you gotta get spell damage up.

Running Amber Plasm/ ShackleBreaker/ and 1 monster helm resources aren't an issue at all. Damage and burst does become an issue because you can't rely on shields due to how quickly they are taken down.

So pick your poison. Regen support role with execute spam or damage dealing burst build that can kill but will have you spamming pots and dark conversion.

For solo queuing, I'm just going to run higher damage.

Hutch679

grim_tactics wrote: »

I'm going to go ahead and say it.

Front load damage and screw regen in BGs.

Unless you're ok with just being a support role spamming execute and getting out when your team wipes.

If you're wanting to burst players you gotta get spell damage up.

Running Amber Plasm/ ShackleBreaker/ and 1 monster helm resources aren't an issue at all. Damage and burst does become an issue because you can't rely on shields due to how quickly they are taken down.

So pick your poison. Regen support role with execute spam or damage dealing burst build that can kill but will have you spamming pots and dark conversion.

For solo queuing, I'm just going to run higher damage.

Characters running builds like that will surely die after one fight. Battlegrounds is like constant fighting. No regeneration means your dead. Not to mention the builds with lots of regeneration can spam heals and shields, and you'll run dry of resources after a few tries of not killing them.

Waffennacht

Hutch679 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

I'm also shocked to see mSorcs not running Mines, absolutely great for Cap the flag and defensive measures. I even have had players use my mines as a trap to burst with

My bars are...

Frag
Structured entropy
Hardened ward
Haunting curse
Endless fury
Dawnbreaker

Harness magic
Healing hard
Daedric mines
Boundless storm
Streak
Life giver or *overload

*Overload bar
Harness magicka
Dark conversion
Hardened ward
Defensive rune
Streak

Gotta have the defense bar with harness, healing ward, mines, and armor from boundless storm. (Just my prefered setup)

There isn't much diversity in a mSorc, but I Run

Innerlight
H Ward
Frag
Wrath
Curse
Ice Comet

Power Surge (now that I think about it, should be entropy etc)
Dampen Magic
Streak
Mines
Dark Conversion
DboS

Dw and SnB - cost reduction of alteration helps roll Dodge and block, plus 99 ult costing DboS.

DeHei

Hutch679 wrote: »

Cody_svk wrote: »

I just love my MagSorc at the moment in Battlegrounds - I use:

4-5 Lich (5-piece Destro)
4-5 Seducer (5-piece Resto)
2 Blood Spawn

- it is everything for survivability and sustain, so I have all 3 jewelry glyphs with Spell Damage...
- of course the damage is not the highest, but Curse+Mages Wrath+Crystal Frags+Force Pulse does the job
- Sharpened Lich Destro is boss drop, so it is super easy to get
- Seducer on backbar enables me to spam Healing Ward, Streak, Boundless Storm, and Mines a lot while still good with sustain
- Panacea is just so amazing

Three stuns and you have to eat a full duration stun with no ward. Your stam pool is wicked low my friend

I have nearly the same stam pool with my templar and less reg then him.. with the healingstaff ult light´s champion is there no problem. You just need to manage few blocking/dodging and using your stamina only for break out.. You need 3 stat pots only to play that successful!

Hutch679

DeHei wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

Cody_svk wrote: »

I just love my MagSorc at the moment in Battlegrounds - I use:

4-5 Lich (5-piece Destro)
4-5 Seducer (5-piece Resto)
2 Blood Spawn

- it is everything for survivability and sustain, so I have all 3 jewelry glyphs with Spell Damage...
- of course the damage is not the highest, but Curse+Mages Wrath+Crystal Frags+Force Pulse does the job
- Sharpened Lich Destro is boss drop, so it is super easy to get
- Seducer on backbar enables me to spam Healing Ward, Streak, Boundless Storm, and Mines a lot while still good with sustain
- Panacea is just so amazing

Three stuns and you have to eat a full duration stun with no ward. Your stam pool is wicked low my friend

I have nearly the same stam pool with my templar and less reg then him.. with the healingstaff ult light´s champion is there no problem. You just need to manage few blocking/dodging and using your stamina only for break out.. You need 3 stat pots only to play that successful!

Break free uses 4800 stamina lol. You can use it twice before you eat an entire stun. If dodge roll or block or anything your gonna get blown apart as soon as you get stunned. You would have to break free, use a potion immediately, you get 1 more break free, then hope your potion is ready again before you gotta break free again. Meanwhile you have no immovable with a tri-pot so you can be immobilized. Way too risky for me. I love facing people that have tiny stam pools. It's so easy to cc them and kill them while they eat a dawnbreaker lol