You can weave Heavy Attacks, right?

Azyle1

Because I'm struggling getting surprise attack to go off after an animation cancel heavy attack. Now.. it could be because Xbox JUST for the patch and the servers a tad laggy. (Not as bad as I thought ).

The_Conjurer

Light attacks are what weaving was meant for I believe. I actually dont understand how a heavy would even work for a weave considering it is much longer than an animation. It would be intense if that would work. A free attack Plus resource regen

Dracindo

I believe so, though I can't say for 100% sure. I hold down for a heavy attack, followed by surprise attack, and I think both attacks are being processed.

theamazingx

Yes. Once it's done charging and you start to fire, that can be weaved the same as a light attack.

cellobuddy

Don't animation cancel the heavy w/ block. You animation cancel the heavy attack w/ the skill and then block cancel the skill's animation. Hold LMB->as heavy attack is about to go off, press skill key-> as skill animation begins, press RMB. Result: Full heavy attack damage and skill damage w/in a tenth of a second.

the_man_of_steal

Azyle1 wrote: »

Because I'm struggling getting surprise attack to go off after an animation cancel heavy attack. Now.. it could be because Xbox JUST for the patch and the servers a tad laggy. (Not as bad as I thought ).

Hold your heavy attack and halfway in the middle spam surprise attack... your heavy attack will complete itself and immediately engage surprise attack. A great opening move.

Azyle1

the_man_of_steal wrote: »

Azyle1 wrote: »

Because I'm struggling getting surprise attack to go off after an animation cancel heavy attack. Now.. it could be because Xbox JUST for the patch and the servers a tad laggy. (Not as bad as I thought ).

Hold your heavy attack and halfway in the middle spam surprise attack... your heavy attack will complete itself and immediately engage surprise attack. A great opening move.

Thanks. I actually just think the servers are lagging because that is what I am doing. No biggie, it is to be expected ona big day like this.

GreenSoup2HoT

You dont have to cancel the hvy att before the surprise. Just charge up and hit surprise towards the end of the animation.

Elsterchen

cellobuddy wrote: »

Don't animation cancel the heavy w/ block. You animation cancel the heavy attack w/ the skill and then block cancel the skill's animation. Hold LMB->as heavy attack is about to go off, press skill key-> as skill animation begins, press RMB. Result: Full heavy attack damage and skill damage w/in a tenth of a second.

It works nicely with steel tornado, and most of the time with jabs too. jabs can be clunky tho.

Draqone

It's perfectly possible to animation cancel heavies, it's not exactly possible to weave them into the same GCD because they last longer than the GCD. Please mind if you cancel the heavy attack you might not get resources back.

Heavies are rather borked after the last change. If I use Heavies to get back resources I wait for them to fully cast even if it means lower DPS.

Mystrius_Archaion

Weaving is getting, essentially, a free light attack animation and strike in while another attack is already going and then being able to move onto the next attack without waiting for the light attack animation.
Heavy attacks can't be weaved as you are either doing another attack while the heavy attack strike is flying to the enemy(flame and frost staff charging and release) or just starting to charge the heavy attack when the other attack is ending and it takes too long to be considered weaving.

You can't do both a heavy attack and a skill attack at the same time unlike light attacks.

Illurian

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

Weaving is getting, essentially, a free light attack animation and strike in while another attack is already going and then being able to move onto the next attack without waiting for the light attack animation.
Heavy attacks can't be weaved as you are either doing another attack while the heavy attack strike is flying to the enemy(flame and frost staff charging and release) or just starting to charge the heavy attack when the other attack is ending and it takes too long to be considered weaving.

You can't do both a heavy attack and a skill attack at the same time unlike light attacks.

Heavy weaving refers to the casting animation (not the channel) being cancelled, the same way light attack's casting animations are canceled.

Darlgon

Key point.. its FULLY CHARGED (as in, it fires on its own) heavy attacks that regen resources. THAT is hard to "weave".

GriMTriAd

cellobuddy wrote: »

Don't animation cancel the heavy w/ block. You animation cancel the heavy attack w/ the skill and then block cancel the skill's animation. Hold LMB->as heavy attack is about to go off, press skill key-> as skill animation begins, press RMB. Result: Full heavy attack damage and skill damage w/in a tenth of a second.

As stamina, NEVER block cancel outside of obfuscating your attack in PvP. It prevents your stamina regen from working for 2 seconds. There's independent GCD's on skill activation and LA/HA activation so even if you stop the animation you still can't start the next attack until the GCD is up. If you could stop the animation, using a LA on a skill, or a skill on a LA would stop the animation anyway so blocking doesn't help. Note: some skills have additional time added to the .8 second standard GCD before they allow a new attack to happen. This is give the animation more time to play.

Also, to make it clear:
You can hit the attack at any point after the HA animation has begun (note, HA's start just after .2 seconds, until then it is still considered a light attack) and it will hold the attack until the HA goes off then it will perform the skill immediately after. Note, if you do not charge for at least 1.7 seconds it's a medium attack which is just a REALLY crappy version of a heavy attack in that it gives no resources. This is why some people let the 2.2 second animation play out.

_WAter_

WatchYourSixx

Hope you guys know that if you hold your weapon attack down (mouse or button or trigger), you can spam an ability while it's doing the wind-up then when it casts your ability, release and repress. At least that's how I heavy weave and it works perfectly. As long as you don't let go of the weapon attack, and cast your ability right when it ends the actual wind-up, (I just spam to endure it is always perfectly timed), you will weave heavy attacks with the restore every time.

Weaving is just the act of using a weapon attack in-between abilities. You can even bash weave if you so choose, or roll Dodge weave.

Rohaus

You guys are getting Block confused with Interrupt.

Andele

GriMTriAd wrote: »

Also, to make it clear:
Note, if you do not charge for at least 1.7 seconds it's a medium attack which is just a REALLY crappy version of a heavy attack in that it gives no resources. This is why some people let the 2.2 second animation play out.

This depends entirely on weapon (e.g. 2hs resource return activates around 1.1s into the animation, yet its loop charges it for longer with no damage bonus).

Killset

Xbox heavy and light attack animation cancelled with a surprise attack are messed up right now. Bad. You can macro slice on demand by doing heavy attack/surprise attacks repeatedly than bar swapping and watching all your hits land at the same time... meanwhile it looks like you are just flailing away with heavys that don't land.