Morrowind Medium Armor Stamplar PvP and Build Details Rhage Lionpride

caeliusstarbreaker

https://youtu.be/OtzHyCkYFFA

Hey guys. Got some Morrowind footage together. Build details of what I am currently running are at the end. THE BUILD AT THE END IS NOT THE BUILD IN ALL THE CLIPS. Scroll through comments for complete list. Thanks to all my team members and enemies in this vid. Also shout out to @CyrusArya for constantly theorycrafting with me when I want to throw my laptop. Anyways, hope you enjoy

Akinos

Great video once again!
You should totally find a way to work this audio into your next video though, I think it fits you perfectly:
https://youtu.be/tiMY7-h3xnE

Also, level that EP!

Satiar

Levelling EP is so last patch's fad!

Fyaal

Nice vid man!

Ishammael

Rhage now has the appropriate colors on his armor.

caeliusstarbreaker

Akinos wrote: »

Great video once again!
You should totally find a way to work this audio into your next video though, I think it fits you perfectly:
https://youtu.be/tiMY7-h3xnE

Also, level that EP!

I will try to work that into the next vid haha. I'll work ok that ep one day.

Fyaal wrote: »

Nice vid man!

Thank you sir

Ishammael wrote: »

Rhage now has the appropriate colors on his armor.

Had your mandated colors on... then I hanged my build.

Yuke

good stuff as always rhage

what do you think about vamp this patch? I still cant decide if pros > cons. Could use the additional reg to replace my last stamreg glyph.

caeliusstarbreaker

Yuke wrote: »

good stuff as always rhage

what do you think about vamp this patch? I still cant decide if pros > cons. Could use the additional reg to replace my last stamreg glyph.

Thanks @Yuke. Honestly I'm all for it. I don't use troll king so the health regen part is not an item for consideration. And I'm an Orc so the vamp brings me to standard redguard regen levels. Also I'm running bloodspawn now and bats is not only a decent dmg ulti but it has saved my rear more times than I can count now. Especially since DB is dodgeable for whatever reason, it helps to have something that can keep me in the think of the battle. Haven't noticed any terrible negatives about it. Plus it's keeps me at 3 dmg glyphs.
Newer build I'm running has me at 40-41k stam 2k regen and like 3243 wpn dmg before automaton buff. Which wouldn't be possible without vamp.

Yuke

Yeah, the leap/dawnbreaker dodge bug is super annoying...no idea how the process to create such a bug would even look like ._.

I put my money on a Bloodspawn/Tavas/Viper build this patch for sDK. Cant kill shieldstacking sorces tho, my *** armor buff is feeding their harness (1800 magicka per dot tick of razor armor - gg ... and i need that morph to decloak NBs) ... so yeah, im looking for a way to get another power glyph in.

Sadly i dont have purge on my sDK, so mDKs already hit like a truck in 1on1 situations. Ill probably melt as a Vamp ... but there are far more mSorcs than mDKs out there, so i probably have to take the risk and get vamp.

caeliusstarbreaker

Yuke wrote: »

Yeah, the leap/dawnbreaker dodge bug is super annoying...no idea how the process to create such a bug would even look like ._.

I put my money on a Bloodspawn/Tavas/Viper build this patch for sDK. Cant kill shieldstacking sorces tho, my *** armor buff is feeding their harness (1800 magicka per dot tick of razor armor - gg ... and i need that morph to decloak NBs) ... so yeah, im looking for a way to get another power glyph in.

Sadly i dont have purge on my sDK, so mDKs already hit like a truck in 1on1 situations. Ill probably melt as a Vamp ... but there are far more mSorcs than mDKs out there, so i probably have to take the risk and get vamp.

You can swap to the shield granting armor morph which will help against those dots and mitigate dmg while your heals rock and roll.. drop the gap closer and add evil hunter for crit and reveal

caeliusstarbreaker

Plus undeath passive over hardened armor and igneous will be nice.. expecially if you use bats

Yuke

Yeah, well, playing without gapcloser isnt really an option for the EU server. Too many range/kite players. Ill just have to give it a try with the bars i have it seems.

Ishammael

Yuke wrote: »

Yeah, the leap/dawnbreaker dodge bug is super annoying...no idea how the process to create such a bug would even look like ._.

I put my money on a Bloodspawn/Tavas/Viper build this patch for sDK. Cant kill shieldstacking sorces tho, my *** armor buff is feeding their harness (1800 magicka per dot tick of razor armor - gg ... and i need that morph to decloak NBs) ... so yeah, im looking for a way to get another power glyph in.

Sadly i dont have purge on my sDK, so mDKs already hit like a truck in 1on1 situations. Ill probably melt as a Vamp ... but there are far more mSorcs than mDKs out there, so i probably have to take the risk and get vamp.

Couple of questions, since I haven't played sDK too much and I recently made one.
1. Tava, Fury, Werewolf, Viper seem the core set options for sDK. Can you comment on why you chose Tava? Is it for the sustain from Battle Roar? Heavy or medium?
2. Is there a reason to use any monster set except Bloodspawn? BS seems BiS to me.
3. How would you hypothetically build a mDK for open world play?

scipionumatia

great video man, I run the same sets on my stamplar except I'm 5 heavy 2 med. I'm still relatively new at stamplar, this video helps me know I'm on the right track also an orc vamp.
I have been thinking of swapping to crescent sweep because I keep missing with dawnbreaker ;_; and it costs less. last night I tried battlegrounds for the first time and got my butt kicked! granted it is no CP which I'm not used to. I jumped on my Stam DK which is what I main in PVP, came back in and kicked some butt
I don't think the Stamplar is weak, I just think I need to L2P the class. for example I removed bloodcraze from my bar but I think I will reslot it after seeing this video.

also I use ravager dagger and ravager axe on dualwield, and 2h ravager sword on back bar. what trait do you use on your maelstrom 2h?

caeliusstarbreaker

scipionumatia wrote: »

great video man, I run the same sets on my stamplar except I'm 5 heavy 2 med. I'm still relatively new at stamplar, this video helps me know I'm on the right track also an orc vamp.
I have been thinking of swapping to crescent sweep because I keep missing with dawnbreaker ;_; and it costs less. last night I tried battlegrounds for the first time and got my butt kicked! granted it is no CP which I'm not used to. I jumped on my Stam DK which is what I main in PVP, came back in and kicked some butt
I don't think the Stamplar is weak, I just think I need to L2P the class. for example I removed bloodcraze from my bar but I think I will reslot it after seeing this video.

also I use ravager dagger and ravager axe on dualwield, and 2h ravager sword on back bar. what trait do you use on your maelstrom 2h?

Well with my new build I may actually move away from blood craze, may respec to rending again or slot trap. If you can I would definitely reccomemd dw swords as they will give the most raw dmg. My maelstrom is defending which is the only reason I have it there. For the rare occasion I run a gap closer (BG's mostly) that extra snare, dot and chance at 2h bleed is nice. The sword doesn't increase the heals at all and I don't need the extra pen so axe is my preferred choice for back bar weapon with defending as the trait. Glad the videos are helping you some. Stamplar is a cruel mistress that is the ride of your life when it all goes well and a desk pounding experience when it doesn't.

scipionumatia

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

scipionumatia wrote: »

great video man, I run the same sets on my stamplar except I'm 5 heavy 2 med. I'm still relatively new at stamplar, this video helps me know I'm on the right track also an orc vamp.
I have been thinking of swapping to crescent sweep because I keep missing with dawnbreaker ;_; and it costs less. last night I tried battlegrounds for the first time and got my butt kicked! granted it is no CP which I'm not used to. I jumped on my Stam DK which is what I main in PVP, came back in and kicked some butt
I don't think the Stamplar is weak, I just think I need to L2P the class. for example I removed bloodcraze from my bar but I think I will reslot it after seeing this video.

also I use ravager dagger and ravager axe on dualwield, and 2h ravager sword on back bar. what trait do you use on your maelstrom 2h?

Well with my new build I may actually move away from blood craze, may respec to rending again or slot trap. If you can I would definitely reccomemd dw swords as they will give the most raw dmg. My maelstrom is defending which is the only reason I have it there. For the rare occasion I run a gap closer (BG's mostly) that extra snare, dot and chance at 2h bleed is nice. The sword doesn't increase the heals at all and I don't need the extra pen so axe is my preferred choice for back bar weapon with defending as the trait. Glad the videos are helping you some. Stamplar is a cruel mistress that is the ride of your life when it all goes well and a desk pounding experience when it doesn't.

I was kind of hoping yours was defending, the only maelstrom 2h i have is a defending maul, maybe i should slot that instead of my ravager 2h?
as of now i don't think ill be trying to grab ravager swords haha i farmed for my weapons and as I'm EP it was a task to take vlasterus to buy them (did it solo on haderus so that's kinda on me). The cheapest 1h ravager weapons i saw was mauls at 60k, ive seen one axe for 110k and only ever seen one dagger for 430k. never seen a 1h sword in a guild trader. i got lucky and got a sharp dagger for doing a quest in cheyndahl.

Regarding monster helms, have you tried kragh or veli? ultimately ive been wanting to use selenes as well but my rng the last few days doesn't want to give me impen heavy. currently using veli heavy divines/infused cause its all i got.

caeliusstarbreaker

scipionumatia wrote: »

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

scipionumatia wrote: »

great video man, I run the same sets on my stamplar except I'm 5 heavy 2 med. I'm still relatively new at stamplar, this video helps me know I'm on the right track also an orc vamp.
I have been thinking of swapping to crescent sweep because I keep missing with dawnbreaker ;_; and it costs less. last night I tried battlegrounds for the first time and got my butt kicked! granted it is no CP which I'm not used to. I jumped on my Stam DK which is what I main in PVP, came back in and kicked some butt
I don't think the Stamplar is weak, I just think I need to L2P the class. for example I removed bloodcraze from my bar but I think I will reslot it after seeing this video.

also I use ravager dagger and ravager axe on dualwield, and 2h ravager sword on back bar. what trait do you use on your maelstrom 2h?

Well with my new build I may actually move away from blood craze, may respec to rending again or slot trap. If you can I would definitely reccomemd dw swords as they will give the most raw dmg. My maelstrom is defending which is the only reason I have it there. For the rare occasion I run a gap closer (BG's mostly) that extra snare, dot and chance at 2h bleed is nice. The sword doesn't increase the heals at all and I don't need the extra pen so axe is my preferred choice for back bar weapon with defending as the trait. Glad the videos are helping you some. Stamplar is a cruel mistress that is the ride of your life when it all goes well and a desk pounding experience when it doesn't.

I was kind of hoping yours was defending, the only maelstrom 2h i have is a defending maul, maybe i should slot that instead of my ravager 2h?
as of now i don't think ill be trying to grab ravager swords haha i farmed for my weapons and as I'm EP it was a task to take vlasterus to buy them (did it solo on haderus so that's kinda on me). The cheapest 1h ravager weapons i saw was mauls at 60k, ive seen one axe for 110k and only ever seen one dagger for 430k. never seen a 1h sword in a guild trader. i got lucky and got a sharp dagger for doing a quest in cheyndahl.

Regarding monster helms, have you tried kragh or veli? ultimately ive been wanting to use selenes as well but my rng the last few days doesn't want to give me impen heavy. currently using veli heavy divines/infused cause its all i got.

Honestly after having played with it more... blood spawn is crazy good. But slime Selene kena/veli or veli are all worthwhile .

Yuke

Ishammael wrote: »

Yuke wrote: »

Yeah, the leap/dawnbreaker dodge bug is super annoying...no idea how the process to create such a bug would even look like ._.

I put my money on a Bloodspawn/Tavas/Viper build this patch for sDK. Cant kill shieldstacking sorces tho, my *** armor buff is feeding their harness (1800 magicka per dot tick of razor armor - gg ... and i need that morph to decloak NBs) ... so yeah, im looking for a way to get another power glyph in.

Sadly i dont have purge on my sDK, so mDKs already hit like a truck in 1on1 situations. Ill probably melt as a Vamp ... but there are far more mSorcs than mDKs out there, so i probably have to take the risk and get vamp.

Couple of questions, since I haven't played sDK too much and I recently made one.
1. Tava, Fury, Werewolf, Viper seem the core set options for sDK. Can you comment on why you chose Tava? Is it for the sustain from Battle Roar? Heavy or medium?
2. Is there a reason to use any monster set except Bloodspawn? BS seems BiS to me.
3. How would you hypothetically build a mDK for open world play?

1. Heavy Tavas is my choice because i decided to play Viper on both bars for the extra punch (viper + leap on 2h bar and bash cancel + viper + ophidian glyph on sb bar) and i cant get the sustain/defense into my build otherwise to be able to use whatever potions fits the situation best. Also i still play the sDK in group and the ulti gain of tavas allows me spam s/b ult while kiting.

2. Imho Bloodspawn is BIS again because you have to manage ressources more now. I didnt use it last patch because there was simply no need imho. Stack full damage was the way to go.

3. No idea tbh. I tried out mDK last patch and it wasnt enjoyable. (Wizard's Reposte) is probably the best set to use as open world dk (would even say as every magicka char) now. The 15 sec minor main debuff without range restriction is simply B R O K E N. Would also go for Skoria i guess, because you can buff it via cps easily for the extra punch. Last set is up to ones taste i guess...

Lakeh

Really well done man, good ***

caeliusstarbreaker

Hey guys/gals,

I've gotten some messages and it appears I wasn't as clear as I probably should have been.
Although the ravager build that I listed at the end of the video is featured in the video itself, it is not the only build used and the build layout I expressed was the one that I was playing live.

So I'll lay out all the builds used here and try to whip up a more inclusive video explaining it all at a later date.

BRK LM tower build: hulking/viper/slime

BRK farm: bone/shacklebreaker/kena/mael axe

Nikel and Ash: ravager/bone/kena/tremor or kena/bloodspawn

Build I amended to that didn't have clips piece for piece with in the video, is the build listed at the end with Selene.

Current build I'm running now in cyrodiil: auto/hulking/blood spawn

My cp has changed as well and I'll add those here when I get home.

All builds use dubious drinks.
Hope this helps a bit.
-Rhage

PS at this rate I might as well make a build video even though I'm horrible at it.

Ishammael

Yuke wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Yuke wrote: »

Yeah, the leap/dawnbreaker dodge bug is super annoying...no idea how the process to create such a bug would even look like ._.

I put my money on a Bloodspawn/Tavas/Viper build this patch for sDK. Cant kill shieldstacking sorces tho, my *** armor buff is feeding their harness (1800 magicka per dot tick of razor armor - gg ... and i need that morph to decloak NBs) ... so yeah, im looking for a way to get another power glyph in.

Sadly i dont have purge on my sDK, so mDKs already hit like a truck in 1on1 situations. Ill probably melt as a Vamp ... but there are far more mSorcs than mDKs out there, so i probably have to take the risk and get vamp.

Couple of questions, since I haven't played sDK too much and I recently made one.
1. Tava, Fury, Werewolf, Viper seem the core set options for sDK. Can you comment on why you chose Tava? Is it for the sustain from Battle Roar? Heavy or medium?
2. Is there a reason to use any monster set except Bloodspawn? BS seems BiS to me.
3. How would you hypothetically build a mDK for open world play?

1. Heavy Tavas is my choice because i decided to play Viper on both bars for the extra punch (viper + leap on 2h bar and bash cancel + viper + ophidian glyph on sb bar) and i cant get the sustain/defense into my build otherwise to be able to use whatever potions fits the situation best. Also i still play the sDK in group and the ulti gain of tavas allows me spam s/b ult while kiting.

2. Imho Bloodspawn is BIS again because you have to manage ressources more now. I didnt use it last patch because there was simply no need imho. Stack full damage was the way to go.

3. No idea tbh. I tried out mDK last patch and it wasnt enjoyable. (Wizard's Reposte) is probably the best set to use as open world dk (would even say as every magicka char) now. The 15 sec minor main debuff without range restriction is simply B R O K E N. Would also go for Skoria i guess, because you can buff it via cps easily for the extra punch. Last set is up to ones taste i guess...

1. Makes sense. I think Tava is still probably good for mDK, too, since the sustain from Bats is excellent. Shuffle is manage-able via unchained and stam mgmt is actually better on mDK since the changes to Helping Hands and Battle Roar. Going to do some tests.
2. Agreed.
3. I've been using Wizard's Riposte on both my mDK and mTemp. Pretty sure there is nothing quite as good for dmg mitigation. 15% reduction is equivalent to approx 10k (650*15) armor. Open world mDK is still difficult for all the traditional reasons (no mobility/escape, gap closer, or execute). I think that forces you to build tanky and Riposte fits the bill.

Inig0

the true lord..

caeliusstarbreaker

Inig0 wrote: »

the true lord..

I am but a humble Templar

Prysom

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

Inig0 wrote: »

the true lord..

I am but a humble Templar

I'm new to ESO. I can't decide what to do for PVP. I've asked around and people told me Stam templars were nerfed into the ground, yet they look fun to play. Being new I'm already going to suck so to start I don't wanna play something already nerfed into the ground + my mad noob skills. I like classes that are in your face and can deal damage plus survive a good amount.

Was thinking DK, Templar for my classes since the world seems over run with NB. Not wanting to Run Warden just yet as I figure there will be plenty of those out there as well.

Just asking your opinion and if others wanna flame me they can. I dont wanna play FOTM or follow the heard I just want something that I can sink my teeth into and do decent while I re-learn the game.

caeliusstarbreaker

Prysom wrote: »

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

Inig0 wrote: »

the true lord..

I am but a humble Templar

I'm new to ESO. I can't decide what to do for PVP. I've asked around and people told me Stam templars were nerfed into the ground, yet they look fun to play. Being new I'm already going to suck so to start I don't wanna play something already nerfed into the ground + my mad noob skills. I like classes that are in your face and can deal damage plus survive a good amount.

Was thinking DK, Templar for my classes since the world seems over run with NB. Not wanting to Run Warden just yet as I figure there will be plenty of those out there as well.

Just asking your opinion and if others wanna flame me they can. I dont wanna play FOTM or follow the heard I just want something that I can sink my teeth into and do decent while I re-learn the game.

Stamplar wasn't nerfed into oblivion, however the change to mighty cp, and the master at arms cp not effecting jabs did weaken them a little. Your main dps ability is a channel that can't be block castes and is a bit annoying to weild in lag. Also unlike any other stam class, their sustain tool comes from having to kill an enemy. Which compounds the problem a little bit more, but we were gifted power of the light so that evens it out, however you don't have an organic CC that goes through dodge or block, so we are back to compounded.

Stamplar, while fun to play requires a bit more positioning knowledge, knowing when to go open yourself up to fully attack an enemy to get a kill similar to how mag sorc has to attack in windows when shields are up, they need to have timing with that kill so they get resources back kinda like how a dk leans on battle roar for sustain, you can shed negative effects which helps make you a little tankier and have some better mobility. granted each other class does some of these things better but stamplar could find itself at number 2-3 on those lists. Where Templar excels is keeping pressure on an opponent.

If you're just starting out again I'd probably say go stam dk as I feel they have a little more room for error, but if you pay attention and have a general concept of what you are doing no class is too difficult to learn.

Prysom

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

Prysom wrote: »

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

Inig0 wrote: »

the true lord..

I am but a humble Templar

I'm new to ESO. I can't decide what to do for PVP. I've asked around and people told me Stam templars were nerfed into the ground, yet they look fun to play. Being new I'm already going to suck so to start I don't wanna play something already nerfed into the ground + my mad noob skills. I like classes that are in your face and can deal damage plus survive a good amount.

Was thinking DK, Templar for my classes since the world seems over run with NB. Not wanting to Run Warden just yet as I figure there will be plenty of those out there as well.

Just asking your opinion and if others wanna flame me they can. I dont wanna play FOTM or follow the heard I just want something that I can sink my teeth into and do decent while I re-learn the game.

Stamplar wasn't nerfed into oblivion, however the change to mighty cp, and the master at arms cp not effecting jabs did weaken them a little. Your main dps ability is a channel that can't be block castes and is a bit annoying to weild in lag. Also unlike any other stam class, their sustain tool comes from having to kill an enemy. Which compounds the problem a little bit more, but we were gifted power of the light so that evens it out, however you don't have an organic CC that goes through dodge or block, so we are back to compounded.

Stamplar, while fun to play requires a bit more positioning knowledge, knowing when to go open yourself up to fully attack an enemy to get a kill similar to how mag sorc has to attack in windows when shields are up, they need to have timing with that kill so they get resources back kinda like how a dk leans on battle roar for sustain, you can shed negative effects which helps make you a little tankier and have some better mobility. granted each other class does some of these things better but stamplar could find itself at number 2-3 on those lists. Where Templar excels is keeping pressure on an opponent.

If you're just starting out again I'd probably say go stam dk as I feel they have a little more room for error, but if you pay attention and have a general concept of what you are doing no class is too difficult to learn.

Thank you for the advice, all classes do ok in pvp at this time?

Adenoma

@Prysom , despite all the doomsday predictions for every single class nothing's been nerfed to death just yet. Yes, balance isn't 100% great right now - but by a fair margin the best determinant of a class doing well is a good player. Some have more forgiving rooms for error like stamsorc or stamblade, while others like magNB or stamplar have narrower margins. Ultimately, learning a class is going to change those margins and give you success.

Find one where you enjoy its mechanics, then learn the heck out of it. I've been searching for a long time, but now I feel like stamina warden is the right thing for me and I'm going to play it until I stop playing the game.

Prysom

Adenoma wrote: »

@Prysom , despite all the doomsday predictions for every single class nothing's been nerfed to death just yet. Yes, balance isn't 100% great right now - but by a fair margin the best determinant of a class doing well is a good player. Some have more forgiving rooms for error like stamsorc or stamblade, while others like magNB or stamplar have narrower margins. Ultimately, learning a class is going to change those margins and give you success.

Find one where you enjoy its mechanics, then learn the heck out of it. I've been searching for a long time, but now I feel like stamina warden is the right thing for me and I'm going to play it until I stop playing the game.

Are the factions balanced in Cyrodiil area? I would also like to avoid playing the class that gets stomped into the ground each time. I'm not wanting to by any means choose the all winning class I'd like to choose one that has a chance to win at least from time to time.

Adenoma

Do you mean class or faction? Faction dominance varies from campaign to campaign and server to server.

In terms of class balance? I think the forum's consensus is that sorcs and stamblades seem to be top dogs, but I take the forum's input with a healthy skepticism.

Prysom

Adenoma wrote: »

Do you mean class or faction? Faction dominance varies from campaign to campaign and server to server.

In terms of class balance? I think the forum's consensus is that sorcs and stamblades seem to be top dogs, but I take the forum's input with a healthy skepticism.

Yea I suppose in terms of balance I was asking Faction for Cyrodiil anyways as I dont want to be on the team that loses 100% of the time or is just so severely outnumbered its not fun.
In terms of class questions that was also directed at balance.

I'm not sure which class I want to play. DK looks good, but I also want to be viable in pvp. I liked the look of Magic DK but people tell me its garbage. Warden makes me curious but I figure the servers will be flooded with them for a bit until hype wears down there so I'd prefer to try those at a later date.

I'm not much of a caster, I like my bruiser classes that can do good damage and survive well vs my straight assassin classes. Avoiding NB just due to sheer number of them I see everywhere. My main concern is once I learn the game I don't want to end up choosing a class that just gets stepped on over and over.

caeliusstarbreaker

Prysom wrote: »

Adenoma wrote: »

Do you mean class or faction? Faction dominance varies from campaign to campaign and server to server.

In terms of class balance? I think the forum's consensus is that sorcs and stamblades seem to be top dogs, but I take the forum's input with a healthy skepticism.

Yea I suppose in terms of balance I was asking Faction for Cyrodiil anyways as I dont want to be on the team that loses 100% of the time or is just so severely outnumbered its not fun.
In terms of class questions that was also directed at balance.

I'm not sure which class I want to play. DK looks good, but I also want to be viable in pvp. I liked the look of Magic DK but people tell me its garbage. Warden makes me curious but I figure the servers will be flooded with them for a bit until hype wears down there so I'd prefer to try those at a later date.

I'm not much of a caster, I like my bruiser classes that can do good damage and survive well vs my straight assassin classes. Avoiding NB just due to sheer number of them I see everywhere. My main concern is once I learn the game I don't want to end up choosing a class that just gets stepped on over and over.

You seem to want to play dk. Haha so play dk, mag or stam it's fine.