*** Your Queue System ZOS.

SleepyTroll

This isn't fun for anyone involved.
Either Bgs have a scary low participation rate or you suck at developing matchmaking systems.
Orange full of cp630+ premade and other teams random from 10-cp 630. wtf.

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ExcaliburESO

Ye that happens all the time and its not fun to either of the teams (

coplannb16_ESO

this happens when you introduce World of Tanks or Mechwarrior Online - like gameplay to an MMORPG without carefully designing and investing into a decent match making and ELO system.

They should have improved Cyrodil instead. These are hardly battleground (as a low level Ava/RvR experience as in DAoC), its more like mud ball and other maps from SWTOR, where its the only form of PvP after they completely killed any open world pvp due to massive performance issues and lack of content/incentives plus balance...

#1 teams should be compromised equally: if only solo players -> ok, if solo and duos -> try to give each team a duo, if solo, duo and full group -> full groups are only thrown at each other, rest of solo/duo divided as before.
#2 determine individual power by CP and Gear and try to setup equal team strength.
#3 Calculate ELO depending on performance (kills, death, heal, damage,...) and win/loss ratio for each player after each match. Use ELO primarily if available for a player (enough matches done) over CP and Gear.
edit:
#4 add information to the group/match finder (also for PvE) how many people are queued, how many tanks, healers, dds and average queue time per role. (MWO has this and its good because you know that if you queue as a heavy mech you will wait 30 minutes while if queueing with a light mech you can bascially instantly join)

its not rocket science, and like all games have something like this who do arena style matches.

Rohamad_Ali

Rekt . We told them . The worse part is people paid for that . I can rekt for free .

WeyounTM

I only have played PVP casually once in a while. Now I thought I would give it a go with the addition of battlegrounds and have had the same experience as shown in the screenshot. Even worse: I faced off against fully experienced players with top-of-the-line gear with my puny level 23 Warden.
Nothing motivates you better as getting destroyed instantly by Selene procs and Destro-Ults and the like.

Maybe BGs are low populated at the moment. I will give them another shot once the "real" launch happens.
But to be honest....the queing system and the whole implemantation really annoyed the c**p out of me already.

Man I wish there would be someone who would invent something called a "Serverbrowser" where you can join a match on the fly. And servers that would be allowed to run custom rotations....like capture the flag or domination only....

I remember running a HL2-DM server forever ago. God I must be old. I think i need to cry :'(

James-Wayne

Isn't Battlegrounds no CP? So aside from uneven teams and sets balance isn't that bad.

Turelus

That last player on the Fire Drakes team was clearly being carried.

Flaminir

James-Wayne wrote: »

Isn't Battlegrounds no CP? So aside from uneven teams and sets balance isn't that bad.

Its is no CP...

But I wouldn't go as far as to say balanced... they favour stamina quite heavily in many ways....

souravami

And to think people actually payed money for this buggy mess.

altemriel

best was this video from Blob

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV40vC1124c

Goshua

James-Wayne wrote: »

Isn't Battlegrounds no CP? So aside from uneven teams and sets balance isn't that bad.

You say sets and uneven teams like it ain'no thing! I feel for anyone who just dinged 50 meeting our streamers. If they're really lucky they might even face a team of them lmao

Flaminir wrote: »

Its is no CP...

But I wouldn't go as far as to say balanced... they favour stamina quite heavily in many ways....

sets, gold, experience.. all takes time, as does balancing and fixing old issues hint hint nudge nudge shake leg, nowat I mean?

I only spectate BG and competant Stamina slaughters

Khyras

They split the PvP playerbase - what is left of it, charged money for BGs - something no other MMO has ever done (not even F2P ones) and delivered it in an almost unplayable state... 3/3, well done /golfclap.

Dragonnord

Welcome to Buggedgrounds, part of the Morrowind "expansion".
 

Avnr

coplannb16_ESO wrote: »

this happens when you introduce World of Tanks or Mechwarrior Online - like gameplay to an MMORPG without carefully designing and investing into a decent match making and ELO system.

They should have improved Cyrodil instead. These are hardly battleground (as a low level Ava/RvR experience as in DAoC), its more like mud ball and other maps from SWTOR, where its the only form of PvP after they completely killed any open world pvp due to massive performance issues and lack of content/incentives plus balance...

#1 teams should be compromised equally: if only solo players -> ok, if solo and duos -> try to give each team a duo, if solo, duo and full group -> full groups are only thrown at each other, rest of solo/duo divided as before.
#2 determine individual power by CP and Gear and try to setup equal team strength.
#3 Calculate ELO depending on performance (kills, death, heal, damage,...) and win/loss ratio for each player after each match. Use ELO primarily if available for a player (enough matches done) over CP and Gear.
edit:
#4 add information to the group/match finder (also for PvE) how many people are queued, how many tanks, healers, dds and average queue time per role. (MWO has this and its good because you know that if you queue as a heavy mech you will wait 30 minutes while if queueing with a light mech you can bascially instantly join)

its not rocket science, and like all games have something like this who do arena style matches.

Or .... focus on add DLC or "expansion" for more income

INB4LOCK

Huyen

You cant expect the system to have fully developed a MMR yet, unless everyone has done 100 battlegrounds already.

Greensea

Turelus wrote: »

That last player on the Fire Drakes team was clearly being carried.

Either that or a pure healer build, as you don't really get many points or any assists for healing.

Danksta

Did people actually think the group finder would just magically start working in Morrowind? It's been a joke long before battlegrounds came out.

Darlgon

I like the mechanic:

3 vs
2 vs
4

Yeah.. thats even. How about not start mach until its 4v4v4?

And, if the four is a premade team of coordinated.. pft. Just surrender the match.

SleepyTroll

Turelus wrote: »

That last player on the Fire Drakes team was clearly being carried.

Was a healer. Who didn't have to do anything when coordinated ults are being dropped on 1-2 people.

Avran_Sylt

Thing about ELO, is if it's a new system there is no prior data to pair people too. In terms of team balance numerically wise, yeah, they should just have an intermission period while teams are normalized rather than just having the unstoppable countdown. Maybe only have the match countdown begin while the teams are within +- 1 player (3v3v4 worst case).

s7732425ub17_ESO

Yea, a premade 4 person team will always dominate randomly made groups. That's why in many games there are different queues for these. However, due to the low PVP population anyways, it would be difficult to split them out in ESO.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

I cant even manually group with one other person with out the game going through a strange series of events. Im not really holding out hope for bgs and any sort of useful auto grouping tools/rating system.

Cpt_Teemo

ExcaliburESO wrote: »

Ye that happens all the time and its not fun to either of the teams (

Reminds me of LoL

F7sus4

Group Finder bug removing premade groups from dungeons is back too...

Insandros

Haven't tried BG yet and know nothing about it, but are pre-made available to queue in BG?

Reverb

Insandros wrote: »

Haven't tried BG yet and know nothing about it, but are pre-made available to queue in BG?

In theory, yes. In actuality a pre-formed group has a single-digit likelihood of being placed in BG, and will typically be stuck in queue all night. If they ever fix the groupfinder, pre-formed groups will be the way to go. Until then it's pretty much solo or no-go.

Feanor

Yes, 4v2v2 is so much fun. I just don't get what keeps the system from filling up slots evenly. To me it seems that what it does is filling the first group with 4 players first and then looks around how to distribute the others. And then the game just starts because you have more than 1 player on every team. It sucks. I'm still all for ELO rankings.

Cpt_Teemo

I think that was 3v2v4

Korah_Eaglecry

CarbonX wrote: »

Welcome to Buggedgrounds, part of the Morrowind "expansion".
 

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Feanor

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

I think that was 3v2v4

Yes. Mine was just an example. I have been in 4v2v2 games too. Also poor Storm Lords.