Atheric Cipher drops are a Myth.

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MLGProPlayer wrote: »

disintegr8 wrote: »

I've given up on getting the cipher - 40+ hours a week every week and never seem it. Mind you, as a crafter who does a lot of harvesting, I have also only found 4 dusts as well.

I don't even want it to make profit, I want it so I can learn it and will probably never use it.

You can't farm it. Just play the game as you normally would. You'll either get one or you won't.

Alternatively, farm something else that will give you a chance cipher drop. For instance, many enemies have a chance to drop a trophy, collect all the trophies in a category and get an achievement. So just head to an area with a plan to get a trophy and who knows, you might get that cipher instead!

Golnebo

I was walking in Greenshade one day, been playing the game for a month or four or five at that time, when I had to kill an Imp.
From the corner of my eye I saw a yellow item drop. It was an aetheric cipher.
I had to look it up to find out it could be worth some serious in-game money. I sold it through a guild-store for 3.5M gold.

A guild-member saw me do that and he thought he had something like that in his inventory from way back. It was an aetheric cipher too! He asked me to sell it for him, since he was no trader, so I sold that via chat for 3.75M gold.

Later this same guild-member said he bought another Aetheric Cipher from someone through chat for 2M gold. I managed to sell this cipher for 3M gold through another guild-store.

Good times.

supaskrub

MasterSpatula wrote: »

supaskrub wrote: »

I bought the Cipher a few days ago through seeing it listed in zone chat (infact there were two listed within a couple of hours of each other on xboxEU), first I've seen in a couple of months, First guy wanted 5 million for his and then half an hour later or so it was still unsold as he re-listed it in chat, this time he wanted 2 million, i messaged him and offered 1.8m and he accepted.

Now i can craft Mythic Aetherial Ambrosia.... but no one wants any

And that's the real problem. The Cipher is so rare and the dust is so rare that, to make it profitable for you, you have to charge much that most anyone who would actually need it can't affford it. It's why I haven't bothered.

Exactly, if folks want the recipe to make mega bucks from selling the pots then stick to selling psijic, for me it's not even an issue of wanting to sell the Mythic drink, I bought the Cipher as I'm a realist and a recipe collector, the collector in my says "I have to get it" and the realist in me says "If I see it for sale and I have the gold then I will buy it as waiting for a loot drop is little more than a zero chance".

The guilds that I'm part of know i have the recipe and most guildies are aware that i will craft it for them at no charge whatsoever as long as they provide the mats (1x psijic pot + 1x aetheric dust), but with the dust listed at wildly ranging prices (on xboxEU 60k-120k) it just puts them off.

Qbiken

Golnebo wrote: »

I was walking in Greenshade one day, been playing the game for a month or four or five at that time, when I had to kill an Imp.
From the corner of my eye I saw a yellow item drop. It was an aetheric cipher.
I had to look it up to find out it could be worth some serious in-game money. I sold it through a guild-store for 3.5M gold.

A guild-member saw me do that and he thought he had something like that in his inventory from way back. It was an aetheric cipher too! He asked me to sell it for him, since he was no trader, so I sold that via chat for 3.75M gold.

Later this same guild-member said he bought another Aetheric Cipher from someone through chat for 2M gold. I managed to sell this cipher for 3M gold through another guild-store.

Good times.

I also want friendship like this. To trust someone with an cipher takes a lot of trust xD

Golnebo

Qbiken wrote: »

Golnebo wrote: »

I was walking in Greenshade one day, been playing the game for a month or four or five at that time, when I had to kill an Imp.
From the corner of my eye I saw a yellow item drop. It was an aetheric cipher.
I had to look it up to find out it could be worth some serious in-game money. I sold it through a guild-store for 3.5M gold.

A guild-member saw me do that and he thought he had something like that in his inventory from way back. It was an aetheric cipher too! He asked me to sell it for him, since he was no trader, so I sold that via chat for 3.75M gold.

Later this same guild-member said he bought another Aetheric Cipher from someone through chat for 2M gold. I managed to sell this cipher for 3M gold through another guild-store.

Good times.

I also want friendship like this. To trust someone with an cipher takes a lot of trust xD

We are still in the same guild together boasting about our wealth

Agalloch

Not a single drop of this for me since its launch in november 2016.

Insandros

supaskrub wrote: »

I bought the Cipher a few days ago through seeing it listed in zone chat (infact there were two listed within a couple of hours of each other on xboxEU), first I've seen in a couple of months, First guy wanted 5 million for his and then half an hour later or so it was still unsold as he re-listed it in chat, this time he wanted 2 million, i messaged him and offered 1.8m and he accepted.

Now i can craft Mythic Aetherial Ambrosia.... but no one wants any

@supaskrub

Since Morrowind early acess indeed, i don't buy any, since they went from 17-20k up to 33k+, but i bought tons of them to lvl CPs the few weeks before Homestead realease, and a lot, but now the prices is a bit absurd, specialy since Skyreach XP got a bit nerfed, not many people can afford 33k for 30 minute gameplay (unless they lvled up provisionning gastronomy passif, but not many think about doing it before doing leveling on their toon) i bought one the other day because i was fed up in Skyreach to power lvl my few remaining lvl to get 50 with a friend, but that's it. No way people not power leveling will afford a 33k gold for an xp potions to quest around.

akl77

The thread in crafting section mention the drop rate is 1:100,000
So might as well give up farming it.

supaskrub

Insandros wrote: »

supaskrub wrote: »

I bought the Cipher a few days ago through seeing it listed in zone chat (infact there were two listed within a couple of hours of each other on xboxEU), first I've seen in a couple of months, First guy wanted 5 million for his and then half an hour later or so it was still unsold as he re-listed it in chat, this time he wanted 2 million, i messaged him and offered 1.8m and he accepted.

Now i can craft Mythic Aetherial Ambrosia.... but no one wants any

@supaskrub

Since Morrowind early acess indeed, i don't buy any, since they went from 17-20k up to 33k+, but i bought tons of them to lvl CPs the few weeks before Homestead realease, and a lot, but now the prices is a bit absurd, specialy since Skyreach XP got a bit nerfed, not many people can afford 33k for 30 minute gameplay (unless they lvled up provisionning gastronomy passif, but not many think about doing it before doing leveling on their toon) i bought one the other day because i was fed up in Skyreach to power lvl my few remaining lvl to get 50 with a friend, but that's it. No way people not power leveling will afford a 33k gold for an xp potions to quest around.

yeah I'm aware of that, as i say in my 2nd post in this thread, its a pointless exercise trying to make gold out of the pots and its just as pointless offering to craft it for free (which i have done to all my guildies) if people provide their own mats as the price of the dust alone puts them off..

Mashille

I thought Cipher stopped playing eso though? He's playing 'For Honour' now instead I think.

Voxicity

You lot talking about only getting 2 aetherial dust drops... me and my girlfriend sitting here playing every day since they were introduced and havent had either drop

magictucktuck

I didnt even know what it was and was waiting for my pvp queue and killed a random bloodfiend in rivenspire and one dropped. i sold it for 1.3m

EDIT: what i have never seen is the ingredient for it drop.. do you only find it if you have learned the recipe?

F7sus4

Floki_Vilgerdarson wrote: »

What do you think?

Got one the very first day they were introduced. It was later used to make a recipe. The second drop (a few weeks later) was sold for gold. I'd lie if I said they were even farmed.

(Both drops witnessed in my trading guild if that matters)

supaskrub

magictucktuck wrote: »

I didnt even know what it was and was waiting for my pvp queue and killed a random bloodfiend in rivenspire and one dropped. i sold it for 1.3m

EDIT: what i have never seen is the ingredient for it drop.. do you only find it if you have learned the recipe?

Those damned bloodfiends, if they aint infecting you with vampirism then they go around dying on you and dropping Cipher..lol.

@magictucktuck
The ingredient is found when collecting nodes, ore, flowers etc, personally speaking i have harvested 10's of thousands and only had two drop myself and no you can get it without having learned the recipe..

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supaskrub wrote: »

The ingredient is found when collecting nodes, ore, flowers etc, personally speaking i have harvested 10's of thousands and only had two drop myself..

Yeah, I pulled one about ten minutes into farming the first day and thought "This is awesome, I'm going to get a truckload of these!" I've gotten exactly one since then. Wasn't even farming, just stopped to grab a ruby ash nearby hoping for some heartwood. XD

magictucktuck

supaskrub wrote: »

magictucktuck wrote: »

I didnt even know what it was and was waiting for my pvp queue and killed a random bloodfiend in rivenspire and one dropped. i sold it for 1.3m

EDIT: what i have never seen is the ingredient for it drop.. do you only find it if you have learned the recipe?

Those damned bloodfiends, if they aint infecting you with vampirism then they go around dying on you and dropping Cipher..lol.

@magictucktuck
The ingredient is found when collecting nodes, ore, flowers etc, personally speaking i have harvested 10's of thousands and only had two drop myself..

I don't farm nodes but i pick up most everything i pass by unless I'm in a rush and Ive never seen one

Wreuntzylla

Qbiken wrote: »

Golnebo wrote: »

I was walking in Greenshade one day, been playing the game for a month or four or five at that time, when I had to kill an Imp.
From the corner of my eye I saw a yellow item drop. It was an aetheric cipher.
I had to look it up to find out it could be worth some serious in-game money. I sold it through a guild-store for 3.5M gold.

A guild-member saw me do that and he thought he had something like that in his inventory from way back. It was an aetheric cipher too! He asked me to sell it for him, since he was no trader, so I sold that via chat for 3.75M gold.

Later this same guild-member said he bought another Aetheric Cipher from someone through chat for 2M gold. I managed to sell this cipher for 3M gold through another guild-store.

Good times.

I also want friendship like this. To trust someone with an cipher takes a lot of trust xD

That's awful. I wouldn't game if I didn't play with people I trust.

Cpt_Teemo

Voxicity wrote: »

You lot talking about only getting 2 aetherial dust drops... me and my girlfriend sitting here playing every day since they were introduced and havent had either drop

Seems like the Armiger motifs now too as well, just to stupidly rare

BoloBoffin

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Are we 100% sure the one from writ vouchers is different to the drop one? Do they have different names then?

I thought only the crown one was 150%, and the drop aetherial was the same as the voucher aetherial.

Anyone got the sources of that from.patch notes etc they must have been added different times?

(Xbox EU and i have writ vouchers to spare so trying to make the biggest buck between that recipe and or Ebony motif!)

They are 100% different.
The writ one is weaker (+100% instead of 150%), it has a different name and uses a different ingredient (diminished aetherial dust instead of normal aetherial dust).

And the diminished dust is only found at the master writ vendor as well. You can get the lesser cipher and dust there, or keep farming for the superior drop cipher and dust.

phileunderx2

Never seen a cipher have had the dust drop twice. First time I didn't know ii had it until I happened to see it in my crafty bag. Second drop was in rivenspire from a random mob.

fgoron2000

GlassHalfFull wrote: »

It took me two and a half years to get my first impetial motif drop, then just a month later i had another.

Be patient, dont be entitled.

I got my first 2 imperial motifs in my first 2 months of play, then haven't seen another one since, a year later.

As to the cipher...I got one a couple months ago, didn't even notice til I got to the bank, so I don't know the source. It's the dust that I've never seen yet, and I do a relative amount of mat farming, in order to do writs on all 12, make that 14, chars daily.

caitiecat

I actually just found one and had no idea of the rarity. If anyone is looking for it I'm on Xbox NA server, gamertag: L1EKOMGZ

Morgul667

Never saw one

MyNameIsElias

Never looted any cipher or dust myself. Saw a guildmate say that he looted a dust in rivenspire, but that's it. I bought the cipher for 2,8 million about 3 months ago on PC EU.

MLGProPlayer

F7sus4 wrote: »

Floki_Vilgerdarson wrote: »

What do you think?

Got one the very first day they were introduced. It was later used to make a recipe. The second drop (a few weeks later) was sold for gold. I'd lie if I said they were even farmed.

(Both drops witnessed in my trading guild if that matters)

You got 2 dusts or 2 ciphers? If it's ciphers, you might just be the luckiest player to ever play this game. I recommend you play the lottery.

rootimus

OP is myth-taken.

Bobby_V_Rockit

I found 5 dusts so far, still no cipher

Cpt_Teemo

I have ever found only one dust at all since I came back, and 0 ciphers.

But for some odd reason I found like 9 pages of Armiger motifs, 5 sharp maiden swords, 7 sharp maiden staffs, and more during morrowind guessing they don't drop in morrowind

F7sus4

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

F7sus4 wrote: »

Floki_Vilgerdarson wrote: »

What do you think?

Got one the very first day they were introduced. It was later used to make a recipe. The second drop (a few weeks later) was sold for gold. I'd lie if I said they were even farmed.

(Both drops witnessed in my trading guild if that matters)

You got 2 dusts or 2 ciphers? If it's ciphers, you might just be the luckiest player to ever play this game. I recommend you play the lottery.

Ciphers. I also didn't get a single drop of Dust. Ever.
RNG is a whimsical god.

sigsergv

You can buy it but you won't get any profit. Margin profit from one drink sale is about 10-15k gold, so it's not worth buying cipher/recipe.