Would ESO have been Viable without PvE?

Rohaus

Would be more PvP content and more balance for the sake of PvP!

See...

Malic

oye

Oompuh

LUL, nice turn around. 10/10 meme

s7732425ub17_ESO

No.

Aimora

O.o

Ihatenightblades

Lol man i do 70% pvp 30% pve.

The 30% pve is me grinding gear for pvp lol

DannyLV702

The answer is yes. Now how do we fund this?

vyndral13preub18_ESO

I am tired of pvers getting my builds nerfed. I finally get a good sorc pet build and they cry and get it nerfed.

davey1107

No. So many players come into the game because there's rich solo pve content that the game would have died without the new blood.

Also, most players eventually get bored of pvp and take a break...or nerfs send them away for awhile...or performance goes to crap and they take a break. It's nice to have both to choose from.

Rohamad_Ali

Game would of skyrocketed past all other games . There are millions of PvP'ers and only handful of PVE exclusive players .

ADarklore

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Game would of skyrocketed past all other games . There are millions of PvP'ers and only handful of PVE exclusive players .

I believe ZOS' own data proves otherwise... PvP is a niche system and the overwhelming majority of gamers DO NOT enjoy PvP. If this were such a big market, do you not think there would be a huge PvP game out there? Also consider the majority of ESO players are Elder Scrolls fans who want PvE content... why do you think ZOS puts so little effort into PvP and so much effort into PvE? It's because they see the numbers, they see who is playing what, and can tell who does PvE only, who does a mix, and who are PvP only. They devote their max resources to their majority player base, which again, is why you see ESO is PvE centric.

Graydon

No because PVP'ers are cheapskates.

Stovahkiin

ADarklore wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Game would of skyrocketed past all other games . There are millions of PvP'ers and only handful of PVE exclusive players .

I believe ZOS' own data proves otherwise... PvP is a niche system and the overwhelming majority of gamers DO NOT enjoy PvP. If this were such a big market, do you not think there would be a huge PvP game out there? Also consider the majority of ESO players are Elder Scrolls fans who want PvE content... why do you think ZOS puts so little effort into PvP and so much effort into PvE? It's because they see the numbers, they see who is playing what, and can tell who does PvE only, who does a mix, and who are PvP only. They devote their max resources to their majority player base, which again, is why you see ESO is PvE centric.

You didn't look at the spoiler he included in his post, did you?

Linaleah

nope. other games have tried before. didn't work out for them. at all. mostly pvp community that is not first person shooters - is too niche.

Caligamy_ESO

ADarklore wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Game would of skyrocketed past all other games . There are millions of PvP'ers and only handful of PVE exclusive players .

I believe ZOS' own data proves otherwise... PvP is a niche system and the overwhelming majority of gamers DO NOT enjoy PvP. If this were such a big market, do you not think there would be a huge PvP game out there? Also consider the majority of ESO players are Elder Scrolls fans who want PvE content... why do you think ZOS puts so little effort into PvP and so much effort into PvE? It's because they see the numbers, they see who is playing what, and can tell who does PvE only, who does a mix, and who are PvP only. They devote their max resources to their majority player base, which again, is why you see ESO is PvE centric.

^ Ate the bait

8/8

phairdon

Without PVE, this game would be dead.

geonsocal

sadly, probably not

Tasear

Maybe more viable without PvP, but most definitely not the other way around.

Osteos

Just imagine it. Getting all your gear from PvP rewards and never having to grind those pesky dungeons! Paradise

WalksonGraves

ESO would be on a lower level than happy wars.

Kesstryl

Nope, I don't get where PvP players think everyone wants PvP games only. I do both in ESO, but in general I prefer PvE, and in other games I don't PvP at all. There are diverse players with different interests, and ESO has something for everyone. If it was a PvP game only, it would not be successful. This game heavily draws from the solo game series based on its name which is an RPG game, not PvP.

ShedsHisTail

Here's the thing about this... PvE is what sets up the story, creates the personalities, establishes the people, places and things which create the lore. That is, the PvE aspects are the games identity. Without those things; those stories and NPCs, and individual adventure, it's just a generic fantasy themed version of Planetside.

That's not to say that wouldn't be a fun game. It could be great.
But what it wouldn't be is Elder Scrolls.

I mean, you could slap "Elder Scrolls" on the label to try and milk a few bucks off the name, but what you'd get wouldn't be an Elder Scrolls game.

Kammakazi

> people that think this game revolves around PvP, and that the PvP population is higher



l0l

Stovahkiin

Guys.. this is just a troll thread made in response to the thread about ESO without PvP.. don't read too much into it

ShedsHisTail

Stovahkiin wrote: »

Guys.. this is just a troll thread made in response to the thread about ESO without PvP.. don't read too much into it

It may have started as a troll thread, but I think it's just as valid a question as the other thread.

I mean, neither one is going to happen, so it's all just theory-craft anyway.

hmsdragonfly

ADarklore wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Game would of skyrocketed past all other games . There are millions of PvP'ers and only handful of PVE exclusive players .

I believe ZOS' own data proves otherwise... PvP is a niche system and the overwhelming majority of gamers DO NOT enjoy PvP. If this were such a big market, do you not think there would be a huge PvP game out there? Also consider the majority of ESO players are Elder Scrolls fans who want PvE content... why do you think ZOS puts so little effort into PvP and so much effort into PvE? It's because they see the numbers, they see who is playing what, and can tell who does PvE only, who does a mix, and who are PvP only. They devote their max resources to their majority player base, which again, is why you see ESO is PvE centric.

Haha, nice xD Anyway, on the serious side, if we take a look at most played games on stream, all of them are PvP games. Same thing happens for twitch, all the most viewed games are PvP games. The reason that PvP community is so small right now is because most of PvPers have left, because PvP hasn't really been taken care of, while PvE has all the special treatments. At the start of the game, 5 campaigns are always pop-locked. And the campaigned used to host thousands of players, not like what they are right now.

TES fans, while there are many of them, would have left once they complete all the quests, like how people handle TES single player games: do all the quests, then stop playing and move to other games. In no shape and form can ZoS throw at us an sufficient amount of content to keep people playing constantly for years. Something has to keep players playing, so they can generate money from sub and crownstore, so that they can keep developing more content. Guess what, the most efficient way of keeping players is end-game PvP and end-game PvE. Well, and roleplaying, that too. I am a TES fan, if it was all about questing, I would certainly buy the game, play through, and move back to my regular competitive games. While I would speak very highly of the game, suggest it to friends, I certainly wouldn't sub, there's just no point of subbing if I don't play the game for a long time. You simply can't rely on TES fans to fuel the game in a long term. Without money from sub and the crownstore, no money would be generated, as a result, no more content would be made, and the game would be dead. With that said, without the outstanding questing, I wouldn't play the game in the first place, there are many better competitive games out there. So, the TES questing is what needed to make me buy the game, and end-game PvE/PvP is what needed to keep my playing for a long time.

MisterBigglesworth

You mean without 4 years of MMO baggage, a series of terrible "first" impressions, and a persistent, irreconcilable identity crisis chock full of self-contradictory goals and design decisions?

Then yes.

It also would have been viable as a true sandbox i.e. 4-player Skyrim... or as a Call of Duty style FPS. It also would have been viable as as a MOBA or as a flying dogfight style game where everyone rides dragons or even viable as a WoW clone.

...if it had a different Dev team.

Valkysas154

Not a chance unless you would be ok with having to pay 5k crown per login just to keep the servers running and even then would of still got shut down do to lack of players in less than a year

Synfaer

and the trolls come out to play....

Mojmir

But then what would all the fanboys do? Lol

zyk

I have long wished ZOS would spin off AvA as its own game. I think it could be more successful without the burden of the *boring* PVE grinding of ESO.