Stam Classes Do Low Damage Now?

mmolegends44

I been doing some tests on different stam classes and been hearing from others
they can not hit over 25k in a dps test I noticed it myself as hard as I try it just will not work
I totally forgot they killed stam and made the game push to magic but Is anyone that
Is dedicated to using stam still have you guys ever did a dps test? If so what is your damage
Seem like it it really hard to go over 20k and above that as a stam class pve.

Aisle9

are we talking training dummies, self buffed, with BiS gear and optimal rotation ?

No, they can hit 30 - 35k

there's video evidence of it, can link if you want

Enslaved

My damage loss is 5-7k compared to Homestead. Tested on same, robust target in guild's manor, with non trial/vMA gear.
7 medium, 2 Kra'gh 5 spriggan 5 hundings, tested as sDK, sNB and sSorc. We didn't have sWar before, so I can't say if it would be any better than it is now, and still don't have good enough rotation for him, so it is not performing on the same level as other classes. Most dps loss I have on sNB, just about 7k. And on sDK I have best result of all stamina classes in Morrowind era, with about 5k dps loss compared to Homestead. I guess with a bit better CP allocation I could squeeze few more dps, and also I find a lot of trouble whenever I swap to bow bar to include these light attacks between skills. For some reason, ESO feels less responsive compared to b4, or my mouse is dying, lol.

Aisle9

Enslaved wrote: »

and also I find a lot of trouble whenever I swap to bow bar to include these light attacks between skills. For some reason, ESO feels less responsive compared to b4, or my mouse is dying, lol.

I noticed the same, but in my case might just be latency

mmolegends44

@Aisle9 yeah post a video have you tried using the dummy recently!?
@Enslaved dude exactly doesn't it seem like it takes a lot longer to kill the dummy too.

mmolegends44

It's so weird like i'm doing the same damage on 3 different stam characters
i'm on console I been hearing the same people say there damage can not get any higher.

BlanketFort

Console player here, too (StamDK DD). Before homestead, I was hitting 29k with non vma weapons (2 kraghs, 5 TBS, Agi jewelry, Leki weapons). Ran the same same set-up when homestead hit and lost about 4k DPS, switched to 2 Kraghs, VO jewelry, 5 TFS and Leki weapons and could barely hit 26k.

Then I played around a bit, 2 Veli, 5 VO, Leki weapons, Agi jewelry, changed one skill to make up for the loss of physical pen from not having TFS, and got back to 28k.

supaskrub

mmolegends44 wrote: »

It's so weird like i'm doing the same damage on 3 different stam characters
i'm on console I been hearing the same people say there damage can not get any higher.

BlanketFort wrote: »

Console player here, too (StamDK DD). Before homestead, I was hitting 29k with non vma weapons (2 kraghs, 5 TBS, Agi jewelry, Leki weapons). Ran the same same set-up when homestead hit and lost about 4k DPS, switched to 2 Kraghs, VO jewelry, 5 TFS and Leki weapons and could barely hit 26k.

Then I played around a bit, 2 Veli, 5 VO, Leki weapons, Agi jewelry, changed one skill to make up for the loss of physical pen from not having TFS, and got back to 28k.

I think OP is speaking relatively more recent as in the Morrowind patch which brought about sustain changes (nerfs) this won't affect us console players until June the 6th. In a nutshell if you want the sustain you can weave in heavy attacks and keep the same gear (loss of dps due to how long heavy attacks take), or you can change out your build for more stamina sustain (loss of weapon damage/crit which will lead to a drop in dps), Changes to cp allocation and %'s may mean you have to experiment to find the sweet spot where to allocate your points to maximise what you have.

Aisle9

@mmolegends44 here you go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zRFf0gmz-I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w5ojwqEM5M

2nd video, jump to around 45:00 for the dummy test, before he just talks about the skills and the build.

Hope this helps

Also, yes, I have tried to use a dummy recently and I parsed 24k and change, without BiS gear, and most of it purple.

Stamsorc Orc, 5 VO/5NMG/2Kra'gh (all medium) all armor and weapon purple, gold jewelry, neck with cost reduction, rings with weapon power.


Bear in mind, I'm not saying there wasn't any dps loss, there was, but it's not true that you can't sustain anymore and it's not true you can't parse above 25k.

HatchetHaro

Shameless self plug.

https://youtu.be/lh8CRr104UY

DPShiro

Yeah stam are totally dead /s

Just look at parses from
@IzakiBrotherSs @Jeckll @OrphanHelgen @FeaR Turbo @hedna123b14_ESO

Ulo

Honestly, I've heard a lot of talk in game about stamina builds being bad or dead. One of my characters is an argonian stamina nb and I have no problems running whatever content I want, be it vet dungeons, trials, pvp or just dailies.

I think a lot of players confuse builds being bad with a build not being the meta/apex class anymore. Of course you can't deny the facts and testing people do but play whatever build you want, it nearly all works, unless you want to be the very best of the best. But I think in an MMO that has constantly changing stats, skills, builds etc that will be a never ending journey involving a fair bit of running around in circles.

NukeAllTheThings

My DPS on a dummy is a little less than before. My DPS in live action has taken a massive hit due to increased defensive costs and increase in cost of vigor.

Morgul667

I do 8k less than before morrowind but notbsure if this latency related or lack of adaptation yet

Draqone

Stamina are in a great place as far as skeleton tests are concerned. I think all stamina classes can reach 35k+ on the 3 million skeleton, with NBs, templars and DKs reaching 40k+.

I have seen a stamsorc parse, he soloed the 50 million HP skeleton in 26 minutes, with 32k DPS.

Stamina are still horrible in trials and the blade cloak buff helped only a tiny bit but that's another matter.

Izaki

https://imgur.com/Vhl90sv

^ Parse on the PTS. With 250 ping. Give me playable ping and you'll see at least a 2k increase.

Izaki

Draqone wrote: »

Stamina are in a great place as far as skeleton tests are concerned. I think all stamina classes can reach 35k+ on the 3 million skeleton, with NBs, templars and DKs reaching 40k+.

I have seen a stamsorc parse, he soloed the 50 million HP skeleton in 26 minutes, with 32k DPS.

Stamina are still horrible in trials and the blade cloak buff helped only a tiny bit but that's another matter.

How do you make that claim based on one parse on the 50mil dummy without any sort of group support? And that 32k was without Major Fracture as Stam Sorcs don't have access to that. So that's a 4-5k DPS increase straight up, meaning that he would be at around 37k. 37k on a 50mil dummy solo, without any sustain support is pretty damn good.

Izaki

Aisle9 wrote: »

@mmolegends44 here you go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zRFf0gmz-I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w5ojwqEM5M

2nd video, jump to around 45:00 for the dummy test, before he just talks about the skills and the build.

Hope this helps

Also, yes, I have tried to use a dummy recently and I parsed 24k and change, without BiS gear, and most of it purple.

Stamsorc Orc, 5 VO/5NMG/2Kra'gh (all medium) all armor and weapon purple, gold jewelry, neck with cost reduction, rings with weapon power.


Bear in mind, I'm not saying there wasn't any dps loss, there was, but it's not true that you can't sustain anymore and it's not true you can't parse above 25k.

There's mainly a DPS gain this patch for most classes actually. You just have to figure out the way to play and when to heavy attack. DPS has now become something where you actually think about what you're doing instead of just repeating the same rotation.

mmolegends44

@DPShiro yeah dude like it's crazy what they did to stamina they ruined the game for it

mmolegends44

@Morgul667 exactly

mmolegends44

@HatchetHaro you don't use rapid strikes think you the first person i seen do that without rapid strikes but good to be different

mmolegends44

@BlanketFort see it's annoying cause magic classes are doing 40k dps just about and everyone is using a pet build to join trial guilds the times for dps stam is ridiculous i'm doing about 20k and under 2:38s and was figuring out what I was doing wrong but they did something to stam classes so I have no idea on how to setup for the dummy and dps test now.

xRIVALENx

NukeAllTheThings wrote: »

My DPS on a dummy is a little less than before. My DPS in live action has taken a massive hit due to increased defensive costs and increase in cost of vigor.

Exactly! A DPS test on a stationary target is one thing, tossing in vigor and roll dodges is another beast entirely. We all can sustain and DPS quite well on a punching bag.

NyassaV

I can do 37k with a good group behind me. Less on my own but having a little bit of support is essential for a good parse

Danksta

mmolegends44 wrote: »

@DPShiro yeah dude like it's crazy what they did to stamina they ruined the game for it

He was being sarcastic. One of the people he mentioned linked a 44k parse in this thread.

Kova

*is shown evidence contrary to belief*
"I don't know...still don't think it's possible."

mmolegends44

I don't know dudes some people just said wait til the update comes to actually do a stam dps test but idk why cause it's already bad how much worse can it get.

HatchetHaro

mmolegends44 wrote: »

@HatchetHaro you don't use rapid strikes think you the first person i seen do that without rapid strikes but good to be different

Rapid strikes is no longer viable with vMA weapons being out of the meta.

mmolegends44

@HatchetHaro really wow dude never knew that wtf so what dual weilds do you use now they so messed this game up

Izaki

mmolegends44 wrote: »

@DPShiro yeah dude like it's crazy what they did to stamina they ruined the game for it

Did you not get the sarcasm is Shiro's post? Stamina in Morrowind are pretty damn good, almost at the same level as magicka builds in fact, higher in Single Target, lower in AoE. Everything's fine dude

mmolegends44

@IzakiBrotherSs yeah that's how much that saracasm was irrelevant to me but everyone has they own opinion and to me stamina is ass right now when they change cp when morrowind comes I doubt it will get any better