leveling pvp skill lines with minimal actual pvp, while solo

vamp_emily

Linaleah wrote: »

is it even possible? just about every build requires skills from further down in assault and/or support lines. apparently i need a warhorn on my healers to buff the raid, among other things.

the thing is. I've never been a fan of pvp and in ESO, I'm REALLY not a fan. to put it mildly. I keep looking at the coming pvp event and wobbling between trying to talk myself into participation and talking myself out of wanting acess to those decorations.

so... do I have any options? at all? no I don't have people I could regularly pvp with, as i don't like pvp, i never bothered to find them. i need those abilities for pve content anyways. is there ANYTHING I can do to level those skill lines (that doesn't require me dying repeatedly to someone who is far better geared, skilled, actualy likes pvp and seems me as free ap, not that dying repeatedly would earn me any AP in a first place), or am I SoL

There is a few things you can do.

1. Go to Imperial City and capture the district flags.
2. Buy wall repair rocks ( with gold or AP ) and just run around repairing walls
3. Follow the huge fights and just hang out you will get AP just for being there
4. Go around capping resources
5. Do questing in PvP

What I would suggest doing is get some buffs for AP bonus.

Killing a delv boss will give you 20% AP gains, there are skills/passives on your bar that will increase healing done. For example , a templar cleansing ritual and+ sacred ground passive will give you major mending ( unless that changed this update ) giving you 25% more healing done. Having the Ritural Mundus stone will give you another 10% healing done.

If you repair a wall ( without any buffs ) you might get around 40 AP, but with all the buffs you can make a little over 100 AP.

I also suggest looking at zone chat or the map and find out were all the big fights are then just spam heals or get a siege and stand on the wall sieging everyone.

Finally I would suggest doing this before you hit level 50, PvP is much easier in the low level campaign.

If you are on PC/NA and would like some help, I can get you your warhorn very quickly. You can contact me in game @vamp.emily

Khenarthi

Final advice (I also dislike PVP and unlock my skills from mostly repairing walls and doors), kill a delve boss in Cyro for an hour-long boost at AP gains. There's also some bonus depending on the state of the map - Enemy Keep bonus or whatever - but I have not really figgured that one out.

Linaleah

thank you @wazzz56 and @vamp_emily
I'm on PC NA. its too late for the "bellow 50" now though, at least for sorc and nighblade, rest of the alts still have a chance.

I have been told that 7 day campaign is relatively low population? - I'm all for going to a campaign that is as unpopulated as possible. I can play in off hours, my schedule is... unusual :P

from my experience during that one guild outing, I'm not sure I can capture the flag solo.. dirty casual here, so my dps is not the highest (and my gear is all crafted not counting jewelry)

wazzz56

Linaleah wrote: »

thank you @wazzz56 and @vamp_emily
I'm on PC NA. its too late for the "bellow 50" now though, at least for sorc and nighblade, rest of the alts still have a chance.

I have been told that 7 day campaign is relatively low population? - I'm all for going to a campaign that is as unpopulated as possible. I can play in off hours, my schedule is... unusual :P

from my experience during that one guild outing, I'm not sure I can capture the flag solo.. dirty casual here, so my dps is not the highest (and my gear is all crafted not counting jewelry)

I am on ps4 so I can only give advice....If you do the town route, stick to the towns without flags like Chorral, Cheydehyl (sp) etc....

vamp_emily

Linaleah wrote: »

thank you @wazzz56 and @vamp_emily
I'm on PC NA. its too late for the "bellow 50" now though, at least for sorc and nighblade, rest of the alts still have a chance.

I have been told that 7 day campaign is relatively low population? - I'm all for going to a campaign that is as unpopulated as possible. I can play in off hours, my schedule is... unusual :P

from my experience during that one guild outing, I'm not sure I can capture the flag solo.. dirty casual here, so my dps is not the highest (and my gear is all crafted not counting jewelry)

Just be careful in vet campagns if you are wearing PvE gear, you will die many times and fast. I know empty campaigns might sound good, but don't forget the very populated campaigns have huge fights. You can get some crazy AP just for being at one fight.

On my vet templar I have a little over 300,000 AP and I don't do much fighting. I just go to a keep/outpost and sit on guard duty. If I see the enemy attack I will call for help and let the killers take care of the enemy while I heal. If I die, I don't have to ride my horse I just rez at the keep if it is not flagged.

Feanor

Can I just level my undaunted with minimal actual PvE too? I mean vigor only takes 3 hours now for example...

Linaleah

Feanor wrote: »

Can I just level my undaunted with minimal actual PvE too? I mean vigor only takes 3 hours now for example...

this is pretty obviously not a serious reply, but rather something meant to bait, but what the hell - I'll bite. you can level undaunted via delve dailies, if you'd rather not group up for pve. it takes a while, but its possible. and somehow i highly doubt that vigor takes a total of 3 hours without a LOT of caveats (being carried by large group of pvpers who are there specifically to carry you, etc)

in any case, i never said forcing pvp players into leveling undaunted was a good thing, in fact, i said the EXACT OPPOSITE.

Feanor

@Linaleah

That's not what you said. You said you wanted to get the alliance skill lines with "minimal actual PvP" aka fighting other players. That's the equivalent of getting undaunted points without actually running undaunted content. And yes, vigor takes 3 hours as it is roughly around 90k AP after ZOS lowered it because of all the complaints from PvE players. 30k AP/h is not really elite, even solo, but let's be generous and reduce it to 10k AP/h. That's the equivalent of one offensive keep tick or 10 resource flips. And then it takes 10 hours total. Compare that to undaunted 9. There was a time when vigor was assault rank 7 and was available after or around captain rank. That was a lot of PvP. Now it's cakewalk.

Linaleah

Feanor wrote: »

@Linaleah

That's not what you said. You said you wanted to get the alliance skill lines with "minimal actual PvP" aka fighting other players. That's the equivalent of getting undaunted points without actually running undaunted content. And yes, vigor takes 3 hours as it is roughly around 90k AP after ZOS lowered it because of all the complaints from PvE players. 30k AP/h is not really elite, even solo, but let's be generous and reduce it to 10k AP/h. That's the equivalent of one offensive keep tick or 10 resource flips. And then it takes 10 hours total. Compare that to undaunted 9. There was a time when vigor was assault rank 7 and was available after or around captain rank. That was a lot of PvP. Now it's cakewalk.

I ASKED if it was possible. apparently, yes to a degree - it IS. I also, and I reiterate. never said that undaunted situation was a good one. I SAID it sucked.

and this is part of the reason why i hate pvp. because this is where you have to deal with people like YOU. not just deal with. play along side, or against.

Feanor

Yes, I understand it's tough that there are people who might not share your opinion. The reason why PvP players like me - and for the record, I do a lot of PvE too - might be a bit on the edge on topics like this is that it a) has been a neverending topic since vigor and caltrops became skills that were used in PvE, b) the suggestions made by PvE players always amounted to "we want the alliance skills without doing PvP" while the PvP players were told to just do PvE for sets and undaunted points, and c) it's always the bad PvP players that are to blame for anything that's wrong with the game.

So yes, you can:

1) Follow a Zerg solo and spam rapid regen
2) repair walls
3) just stand there when a keep or an outpost or a resource flips
4) do scouting and town dailies
5) accept scroll quests whenever you see a scroll is in its way home

It really is easy enough.

Linaleah

4 out of 5 are possible for me. following a zerg - not so much. personal reasons. its not easy. not for me. it takes a serious amount of prep for me just to mentally prepare myself just to enter cyrodil. forget doing anything in it. even farming skyshards, I usually last maybe half an hour before I have to leave or go into full blown panic attack. its. not. easy for some of us.

somehow I doubt that doing delves is anxiety inducing. boredom inducing, sure.

and hey... its a good thing then that pvp players are getting a holiday all to themselves then, yeah?

Feanor

@Linaleah

Don't start on that topic. It's apparently totally unacceptable because it locks out complertionists according to another popular thread here on the forum . I hope you get your vigor quickly and may even find it enjoyable enough to try real PvP .

Linaleah

Feanor wrote: »

@Linaleah

Don't start on that topic. It's apparently totally unacceptable because it locks out complertionists according to another popular thread here on the forum . I hope you get your vigor quickly and may even find it enjoyable enough to try real PvP .

you were doing so well and then you had to say that last thing. yet another problem I have with pvp players. no. i will not enjoy it. I will pull myself through it because I don't want to be a liability due to not having a warhorn on my healer, but i will NOT enjoy it. best case scenario I will not hate it so much that I just give up on any aspirations of healing a trial properly long before I get anywhere near a warhorn.

Eirella

Feanor wrote: »

Can I just level my undaunted with minimal actual PvE too? I mean vigor only takes 3 hours now for example...

^^

SnubbS

I don't think I'll ever understand how someone can have such a hard stance on anything.

Edit: There's a Magblade 5star on Xbox NA who runs light hundings and heavy attacks people with a lightning staff all day—so you can definitely earn AP without having to be bothered with getting a kill.

Dreyloch

If you hate PvP that much, then find a way to buff your raid with some other skill or build. Trust me, many of us PvP'ers hate having to run vet dungeons, vDSA, and vMA for our gear too. Suck it up and do it...or don't.

Linaleah

SnubbS wrote: »

I don't think I'll ever understand how someone can have such a hard stance on anything.

Edit: There's a Magblade 5star on Xbox NA who runs light hundings and heavy attacks people with a lightning staff all day—so you can definitely earn AP without having to be bothered with getting a kill.

1. is there something you absolutely will not eat or drink? something you may have tried in a past and felt horrible right after, we are talking full on stomach virus like symptoms, or something that just is just so revolting to you, you don't even want to try it, ever?
2. I don't want to attack people. i most definitely would rather not be attacked BY people. I need to let this thread die at this point. I got the advice I needed already. i can just go repair keeps/heal defenders on my healer from inside the keep and supplement it with pve quests during off hours. stay away from flagged villages. might take a while, but it sounds like the least painful option and something i can actualy handle

please. stop. telling me that I just need to try it. i HAVE tried it. i hate it, BECAUSE i have tried it again and again, and it doesn't get better, in fact i only learn to hate it MORE.

imagine if you say.. i don't know, hate coffee. it makes you feel absolutely awful and it tastes, to you, even worse. now imagine all the people around you keep telling you that coffee is awesome, its an acquired taste, you just need to give it another try - you may even like it after all! you may need caffeine to wake up and stay up at some point, so you might try finding other alternatives, maybe pills or energy drinks, but people just keep telling you - you should just drink coffee, dude. and any and all trying to tell them that no, you hate coffee, is met with blank stares and continuing of telling you that you just haven't gotten used to it. getting a picture yet?

(and btw I love coffee, but I totally get it when people who don't - get frustrated with people who do and keep on trying to convince them to change their minds.)