Possible triple dmg bonus master at arms/thaumaturge/elemental expert?

Razorblade

Hello everyone,

is it possible to get dmg bonus from all three cp nodes?

I'm asking because of Skills like :
Searing Strike from the DK "Slash an enemy with flame, dealing [x] Flame Damage and an additional [y] Flame Damage over 8.5 seconds."

Elemental Expert seems to increases both dmg parts, so would the other 2 nodes also increase the dmg?

Thanks already in advance.

Chilly-McFreeze

On top off my head I would say yes. Quote from myself:

Let's make an example with Poison Injection. It deals X poison damage and Y poison damage over time. It's all, poison dmg, direct dmg and dmg over time.

Mighty inceases physical, poison and disease damage, it affects X and Y.
Master at arms influences direct damage, therefore affecting X but not Y.
Taumathurg poweres DoT, therefore affecting Y but not X.

The more CP you spend, the lesser the return is. Once you reach the point where you have to spend more CP in taumathurg to gain 1% DoT than in Mighty to gain 1% poison dmg, it's better to spend points into the latter.

Mind that 10,99% and even 11,00 % are rounded down to 10% at the moment. Still hoping this is nothing but a bug but that's how jump points work right now.

If it's better to put 1% more in mighty or thauma/ MaA depends on how mixed your skill bars are. I use mainly DoTs but also some skills with a direct dmg part. Therefore I gained minimal more dmg overall when I set Taumathurg down from 72 to 66 (1% less DoT) but raised mighty from 43 to 49. (1% more).

Razorblade

Thanks a lot, it is exactly what I was looking for. I kinda have a hard time with the new cp changes to decide how many points I should put in which node, on top of it so far no cp calculator is either updated and/or working.

Chilly-McFreeze

The UESP build editor has updated cp but it still misses the new items. At least it helps with the allocation and to get a first idea of it.

Razorblade

And thanks again, don't ask why it didn't showed up when I was looking for an cp calculator.

Razorblade

So I'm thinking, whenever idk when I might get this many cp most likely never, about master at arms/thaumaturge/elemental expert/spell erosion all 50 points.

Waffennacht

I wonder if it matters what order you place the points?

@asayre ?

Chilly-McFreeze

@Waffennacht

Accordign to his thread it does not matter in what order you spend the blue points.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/347576/selective-noncommutivity-of-warrior-cp/p1

DeHei

As Magicka Templar i put 50 points each in elemental expert, traumathurg and staff attacks.. only 10 into master of arms.
With that i got best DPS results totally..

Asayre

Razorblade wrote: »

Thanks a lot, it is exactly what I was looking for. I kinda have a hard time with the new cp changes to decide how many points I should put in which node, on top of it so far no cp calculator is either updated and/or working.

You could try this
http://solinur.de/AsayreCP/CPOptimisation.html

Razorblade

Thanks @Asayre .

Well the UESP build editor which @Chilly-McFreeze suggested works like a charm.

So I played, messed more likely, around with the numbers and I have an rough, vaguely, idea where to put my points into, if I'm ever going to get more of course.

Chilly-McFreeze

As far as I can tell the UESP BE doesn't calculate with the existing jump points. So you have to keep that in mind.

Razorblade

Could you care to elaborate what you mean with "existing jump points" @Chilly-McFreeze please.

Chilly-McFreeze

At best I use another example:

Mighty gives you 11.10% more phys dmg with 49 CP. The game rounds this down to 11%
50CP - 11.25% - rounded down to 11%.
51CP - 11.40% - rounded down to 11%.
...
55CP - 11.95% - rounded down to 11%.

56CP - 12.08% - rounded down to 12%

You see, for many (not all) CP stars the decimals are irrelevant. Therefore spending anything between 49 and56cp would not benefit you. Hence 56cp would be a jump point.

However, the uesp build editor doesn't factor this "feature" in it's calculation. So you would see a tooltip increase of your skills even if you go from 50cp to 51cp.

Razorblade

Thanks, again , it is kinda odd but hey the good thing is if it works with this 3 cp nodes then other combinations with master at arms/thaumaturge should also work.