Zos Do You Want All High Levels To Quit

joshjda

Question is simple Zos you can not keep nerfing damages and expect high levels to carry all the noobs through vet dungeons. It was frustrating enough trying to do the harder vet dungeons with people under 300 cp much less crap like mazatun prison white gold etc. Now your brilliant idea of fixing the game is nerfing damages and resource management wow that is truly enlightened work. Grouping tool does not work you can not get new people after the start of a dungeon low levels que expecting to be carried. I carry anyone i can but god damn it you people are making my life in this game more difficult.

STOP TRYING TO BALANCE PVP AND PVE TOGETHER YOU CAN'T DO IT.

joshjda

I was told max damages and resource management was nerfed I am a ps4 player so I will just wait and see what we get try to find a way around it if it's as bad as i am led to believe.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

joshjda wrote: »

I was told max damages and resource management was nerfed I am a ps4 player so I will just wait and see what we get try to find a way around it if it's as bad as i am led to believe.

It is mostly annoying more then bad.

joshjda

I see idk i have just been annoyed by very long times spent in dungeons on dailies and all my builds getting castrated so I guess i'll see later

Shad0wfire99

Of course they do. Then they could just stop making real content altogether and just focus on their Clown Crates.

idk

joshjda wrote: »

Question is simple Zos you can not keep nerfing damages and expect high levels to carry all the noobs through vet dungeons. It was frustrating enough trying to do the harder vet dungeons with people under 300 cp much less crap like mazatun prison white gold etc. Now your brilliant idea of fixing the game is nerfing damages and resource management wow that is truly enlightened work. Grouping tool does not work you can not get new people after the start of a dungeon low levels que expecting to be carried. I carry anyone i can but god damn it you people are making my life in this game more difficult.

STOP TRYING TO BALANCE PVP AND PVE TOGETHER YOU CAN'T DO IT.

They nerfed sustain which did have a moderate effect on dps. The same content that has been in game has been cleared.

I am not defending Zos. While I agree some changes made were good, they were very much heavy handed and went to far.

The one thing I wish Zos would do is develop a vision for how this game should be played and where they want to bring it. It does get old when they make a change and say it is how it was their vision or how it was always intended, when it clearly has not been. As long as management keeps their current lack of management style the game will continue to progress with major overhauls every year or two, as it has so far.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

joshjda wrote: »

Question is simple Zos you can not keep nerfing damages and expect high levels to carry all the noobs through vet dungeons. It was frustrating enough trying to do the harder vet dungeons with people under 300 cp much less crap like mazatun prison white gold etc. Now your brilliant idea of fixing the game is nerfing damages and resource management wow that is truly enlightened work. Grouping tool does not work you can not get new people after the start of a dungeon low levels que expecting to be carried. I carry anyone i can but god damn it you people are making my life in this game more difficult.

STOP TRYING TO BALANCE PVP AND PVE TOGETHER YOU CAN'T DO IT.

They nerfed sustain which did have a moderate effect on dps. The same content that has been in game has been cleared.

I am not defending Zos. While I agree some changes made were good, they were very much heavy handed and went to far.

The one thing I wish Zos would do is develop a vision for how this game should be played and where they want to bring it. It does get old when they make a change and say it is how it was their vision or how it was always intended, when it clearly has not been. As long as management keeps their current lack of management style the game will continue to progress with major overhauls every year or two, as it has so far.

Gack! I had to click agree on one of your post! My finger!! It burns!!!!!

Tandor

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

joshjda wrote: »

Question is simple Zos you can not keep nerfing damages and expect high levels to carry all the noobs through vet dungeons. It was frustrating enough trying to do the harder vet dungeons with people under 300 cp much less crap like mazatun prison white gold etc. Now your brilliant idea of fixing the game is nerfing damages and resource management wow that is truly enlightened work. Grouping tool does not work you can not get new people after the start of a dungeon low levels que expecting to be carried. I carry anyone i can but god damn it you people are making my life in this game more difficult.

STOP TRYING TO BALANCE PVP AND PVE TOGETHER YOU CAN'T DO IT.

They nerfed sustain which did have a moderate effect on dps. The same content that has been in game has been cleared.

I am not defending Zos. While I agree some changes made were good, they were very much heavy handed and went to far.

The one thing I wish Zos would do is develop a vision for how this game should be played and where they want to bring it. It does get old when they make a change and say it is how it was their vision or how it was always intended, when it clearly has not been. As long as management keeps their current lack of management style the game will continue to progress with major overhauls every year or two, as it has so far.

And thereby stay fresh?

How many endgame players want to continue playing "the same old, same old" year in, year out?

joshjda

I watched videos looked at math dps is fully ruined with crappy 20 second or so bursts ( not enough to kill an entire mob in a vet dungeon) nightblades are fully and totally destroyed they nerfed overall heavy damage by 15% (added 30% recovery of abilites after taking 25% recovery off heavy armor and adding a 5% nerf to all stamina across the board essentially no change just a bunch of lies and deception pretending to buff something). Templar recoveries are nerfed out of existence in terms of support so yeah people being pissed off they are right this game is well and truely ***.

G0ku

No way you can run any dungeons with randoms anymore. They wanted to make the new player experience easier, imo new and not so good players struggle even more now....

joshjda

You CAN NOT do vet anything in med or light armor without a perfect team can no longer use heavy for anything tanks will no longer be able to tank due to block cost increases healers will not be able to heal without 2x the number of heavies to restore magica (with dps unable to kill anything needing much more healing you will be dead anyway) good job Zos you guys are so *** you tanked your entire game on something that was meant to get more people to play bravo.


I say this because you could already barely play them in those armors when the game decides to be an *** and target 1 player alone with everything as it does you CAN NOT survive without heavy.

ArconSeptim

I agree with the OP saying, you can't push this all on Veterans and your Core players since Beta probably.
That is just not nice at all.

joshjda

I'm out i'll be back after the update and after i spend hours trying to figure a way around this bs so i can still carry people and be able to get things done.

Kneighbors

Tandor wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

joshjda wrote: »

Question is simple Zos you can not keep nerfing damages and expect high levels to carry all the noobs through vet dungeons. It was frustrating enough trying to do the harder vet dungeons with people under 300 cp much less crap like mazatun prison white gold etc. Now your brilliant idea of fixing the game is nerfing damages and resource management wow that is truly enlightened work. Grouping tool does not work you can not get new people after the start of a dungeon low levels que expecting to be carried. I carry anyone i can but god damn it you people are making my life in this game more difficult.

STOP TRYING TO BALANCE PVP AND PVE TOGETHER YOU CAN'T DO IT.

They nerfed sustain which did have a moderate effect on dps. The same content that has been in game has been cleared.

I am not defending Zos. While I agree some changes made were good, they were very much heavy handed and went to far.

The one thing I wish Zos would do is develop a vision for how this game should be played and where they want to bring it. It does get old when they make a change and say it is how it was their vision or how it was always intended, when it clearly has not been. As long as management keeps their current lack of management style the game will continue to progress with major overhauls every year or two, as it has so far.

And thereby stay fresh?

How many endgame players want to continue playing "the same old, same old" year in, year out?

So what's your point? To abandon endgame players? To make PvE harder? I'm passing with my 630cp chars any content same as before, the problem is my cp150 teammates slacking badly so it makes the game really boring for me. Add new skills, add new morphs, add new sets and improve old ones and you will suddenly see endgame players enjoying the game once again. And fix group finder of course.

joshjda

Statement was incorrect

KerinKor

joshjda wrote: »

Question is simple Zos you can not keep nerfing damages and expect high levels to carry all the noobs through vet dungeons.

Because you were never a 'noob', you started the game knowing every dungeon and had nothing to learn, amirite?

idk

Kneighbors wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

joshjda wrote: »

Question is simple Zos you can not keep nerfing damages and expect high levels to carry all the noobs through vet dungeons. It was frustrating enough trying to do the harder vet dungeons with people under 300 cp much less crap like mazatun prison white gold etc. Now your brilliant idea of fixing the game is nerfing damages and resource management wow that is truly enlightened work. Grouping tool does not work you can not get new people after the start of a dungeon low levels que expecting to be carried. I carry anyone i can but god damn it you people are making my life in this game more difficult.

STOP TRYING TO BALANCE PVP AND PVE TOGETHER YOU CAN'T DO IT.

They nerfed sustain which did have a moderate effect on dps. The same content that has been in game has been cleared.

I am not defending Zos. While I agree some changes made were good, they were very much heavy handed and went to far.

The one thing I wish Zos would do is develop a vision for how this game should be played and where they want to bring it. It does get old when they make a change and say it is how it was their vision or how it was always intended, when it clearly has not been. As long as management keeps their current lack of management style the game will continue to progress with major overhauls every year or two, as it has so far.

And thereby stay fresh?

How many endgame players want to continue playing "the same old, same old" year in, year out?

So what's your point? To abandon endgame players? To make PvE harder? I'm passing with my 630cp chars any content same as before, the problem is my cp150 teammates slacking badly so it makes the game really boring for me. Add new skills, add new morphs, add new sets and improve old ones and you will suddenly see endgame players enjoying the game once again. And fix group finder of course.

He really did not have a point. It was not worth a reply. I doubt he is a serious or even more moderate end game player.

Doctordarkspawn

Tandor wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

joshjda wrote: »

Question is simple Zos you can not keep nerfing damages and expect high levels to carry all the noobs through vet dungeons. It was frustrating enough trying to do the harder vet dungeons with people under 300 cp much less crap like mazatun prison white gold etc. Now your brilliant idea of fixing the game is nerfing damages and resource management wow that is truly enlightened work. Grouping tool does not work you can not get new people after the start of a dungeon low levels que expecting to be carried. I carry anyone i can but god damn it you people are making my life in this game more difficult.

STOP TRYING TO BALANCE PVP AND PVE TOGETHER YOU CAN'T DO IT.

They nerfed sustain which did have a moderate effect on dps. The same content that has been in game has been cleared.

I am not defending Zos. While I agree some changes made were good, they were very much heavy handed and went to far.

The one thing I wish Zos would do is develop a vision for how this game should be played and where they want to bring it. It does get old when they make a change and say it is how it was their vision or how it was always intended, when it clearly has not been. As long as management keeps their current lack of management style the game will continue to progress with major overhauls every year or two, as it has so far.

And thereby stay fresh?

How many endgame players want to continue playing "the same old, same old" year in, year out?

Basicly.

You can give the same wall the same coat of paint and it's still. Gonna. be. The same. Wall.

Get to a balance people generally like (Not this balance, god no, either directly nerf the content for it or re-buff us) and focus entirely on new content production.

Generally speaking though, I'd say leave until they get their butts in gear. Current balance sucks. With the current balance, Morrowind isn't worth the 40 dollar price tag. Just let it go. Until they figure out a balance content wise for the new balance or reverse course.

KochDerDamonen

bye?

CaptainBeerDude

Is this a stealth quit thread?

Edit: Dammit. And me getting all nooby and forgetting to ask for his stuff...

KingYogi415

100% not going to pug when morrowind hits

My mental health will not be able to take all the scrubs.

Roovin

-ZOS is ruining the game.
-DPS and sustain are forever ruined


...


-New trial get's cleared within hours of release



Elite players will always find a way.

Doctordarkspawn

Roovin wrote: »

-ZOS is ruining the game.
-DPS and sustain are forever ruined


...


-New trial get's cleared within hours of release



Elite players will always find a way.

"Elite" players will, yeah.

It's worth nothing that the guild who did, HODOR, is renowned for this sort of thing. They allways were going to beat it. Dont mean it's worth playing for the rest of us.

Runs

This is a formal invitation for all PC NA high levels who will quit over this to join <Physical Penetration>, I'm just looking for enough inactive members to open and keep open the guild bank. Send @RunsWithBullcrit an in-game mail mentioning joining and you shall receive an invitation.

If you are going to go out, then go out with a bang... <Physical Penetration>

Drogo50

joshjda wrote: »

I'm out i'll be back after the update and after i spend hours trying to figure a way around this bs so i can still carry people and be able to get things done.

Okay Mr. Lord ESO Master of Pretendy Fun-Time Pixels.

lagrue

Borderline quit thread which is against forum rules. Either talk about the game in a constructive manor or stop. Nobody will miss you if you go.

Doctordarkspawn

lagrue wrote: »

Borderline quit thread which is against forum rules. Either talk about the game in a constructive manor or stop. Nobody will miss you if you go.

Hah! Jokes on you, OP, these people will constrew any negative opinion as non-constructive!

It's a no-win senario!

lagrue

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Borderline quit thread which is against forum rules. Either talk about the game in a constructive manor or stop. Nobody will miss you if you go.

Hah! Jokes on you, OP, these people will constrew any negative opinion as non-constructive!

It's a no-win senario!

He didn't provide a single solution or suggestion in his main post - just endless complaints and stupid questions like if they want all high levels to quit - that's NOT constructive in any way.

FoulSnowpaw

I'm just going to say, just because a small number of people are "over-powered" doesn't mean a nerf is needed. If they are more powerful than most, well they earned their investment's boons. Those less contributed players need to put more effort in building their power and avoid implementing nerfs only to suit their current situation in their favor, while the favor of the strong is lost.

I agree with the OP that pvp and pve complaints and changes should not affect each other. Their changes need to be administered separately. It would seem both gear-wise and cp-wise, that we could only choose ONE(pvp or pvp), because what good is siphon perk for pve right.

Kneighbors

lagrue wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Borderline quit thread which is against forum rules. Either talk about the game in a constructive manor or stop. Nobody will miss you if you go.

Hah! Jokes on you, OP, these people will constrew any negative opinion as non-constructive!

It's a no-win senario!

He didn't provide a single solution or suggestion in his main post - just endless complaints and stupid questions like if they want all high levels to quit - that's NOT constructive in any way.

There people suggesting solutions all around the forums. Reporting bugs like crazy. It ain't working. Now is the wave of frustration coming. I don't think shutting down mouths will improve ESO. But this is what moderators doing right now, they remove comments, close threads, "bait" "leave thread" bla bla bla... name it the way you want, i'm currently playing the game only one hour a day when I wish to play it 8 hours a day. There's 0 support.

I SUGGEST ZOS TO FIX GROUP FINDER

I SUGGEST ZOZ TO FIX BATTLEGROUND GROUPING

I SUGGEST ZOS TO IMPROVE UNUSED SKILLS, SETS AND CP INSTEAD OF NERFING THOSE WHICH ARE WIDELY USED

Am I constructive now?

Doctordarkspawn

lagrue wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Borderline quit thread which is against forum rules. Either talk about the game in a constructive manor or stop. Nobody will miss you if you go.

Hah! Jokes on you, OP, these people will constrew any negative opinion as non-constructive!

It's a no-win senario!

He didn't provide a single solution or suggestion in his main post - just endless complaints and stupid questions like if they want all high levels to quit - that's NOT constructive in any way.

It's very -obvious- what the solutions to those are.

Your defense of your agenda does not make said agenda go away.