Zenimax what are you doing?

Rewws

Ok, lately I have been a victim of a couple of things, which makes me unable to play, and if I wanted to play not able to play the way I wanted, with high costs and seemingly nothing working the way it's intented, and reading so many posts here on the forums where people point out the same things that I am experiencing I just have to ask, what the actual F are you doing over there Zenimax?

The dungeon tool has been broken for group play since the launch of homestead which is now 6months, and the latest news is that it's even worse now after the morrowind patch, my last hope was that you atleast completely revamped the grouping tool system for this major release, but you seem more focused on pumping out new content and quantity over quality, spewing out stuff that gains interest and cash rather then fixing pressing and embarrassing issues which any selfrespecting developer would hotfix or do in a extended maintenance ASAP.

The battlegrounds I have not tried myself (because I can't even play the game 1week after I was promised early access to something I paid close to 100$ for....) but the reports are that this major feature which is one of the main reasons some people have bought morrowind also doesn't work as intended.

The way you price things, the way you focus on your revenue, the way your support handles the replies that comes in and the way that you seem ignorant and too proud to be honest and lay down flat when you do big screw ups seems very unprofessional. Jessica posted the other day that the typos she had in her luxury vendor post was due to" Having a toddler on arm" which indicates that she can't handle constructive feedback, and only externalizes her own choices and flaws.

When you get a reply from support, I have always had the feeling there is a wrong focus or a pretend atmosphere in all the replies I get, it could be the copy paste information that barely is relevant to the things you have sent to them or it could be the fact that they don't seem to adress you or your issue directly at all, or that they all just say "sorry to hear that" sorry about that" then thats it, and you get no further help with your issues, they just say "sorry try again". That is worth as much as this number 0. I have recently had a major issue with crown store and account subscription where I have talked to a dozen people, all saying the same things and all replying with *** answers that don't actually say anything and don't lead anywhere, everyone is just sending the ball to the next guy.

The way the support seems to "have to handle" things, makes me thing you have guildines that they must follow, guidelines that protect you and your developers from any direct and even constructive feedback from your player base, which makes you look like toddlers yourself which can't bare to face the truth about the game, you post things like you are so proud and that everything is amazing and that everything is grand and perfect. And behind your blind love of your own game, you almost say "no this is negative, delete it, close it, remove it, oversee it, ignore it, how the hell are you going to grow? But once you play the game and see all the cynical choices you make and all the corner cutting you do you end up with a feeling that this company is all about the money, all about the seemingly awesomeness, if I had a awesome car with no motor and tires I wouldn't want that car. And your workshop doesn't fix your car, they say "we need more time = more money" Is the support and administration even remotely linked to the game in anyway or are they separate organs of your organization? Support give of a feeling that they don't know how the game works, and the admins in your company who makes all the pricing and future goals don't seem to know anything about the games functionality at this point, is your report back system even existant, or don't they care?

In any case my message to Zenimax and I am sure many others agree to is that: Make a good plan on how to re-adress EVERY issue that is currently not working as intended, be honest to yourselves (it's hard I know) be honest to the player base, and start on a remedying path to fix already existing content before we see any new "shiny feather" in your hat, that is crawling with bugs (pun intended). Your quality is diminishing and we notice, and we care, we have invested time and money into your product, you have promised but not delivered, now take responsability or you will find yourself without paying costumers soon, atleast those that can think for themselves. We get that you need to make money, and we get that you need to have time to fix things, but learn some modesty and care more about your player base then you do right now, because we feel expendable as it is right now and the face looking back at us has $ $ in its eyes.

PS: To any forum troll going to post "wall of text (insert word of opportunity to damage someones attempt to make a difference)" or if you simply love to tear down every argument for the sport-boost feeling of making a scene and being in opposition, please go somewhere else.

Thanks, Rewws

Avran_Sylt

Group Finder: in terms of queue time, it's long as hell if you're a dps since everyone and their mother is also queuing as a dps since no one wants to tank or heal. trust me, my tank has queue times around 10 seconds on average. If you're refering to how it sometimes kicks people or whatnot, that is an issue yes, but is rare. also, do't forget there is a vote to kick option which may be a reason for you being kicked.

Battlegrounds queues are indeed messed up right now, but it is the initial release, so give it time.

What's your issue with the crown store?

And guidelines so that protect them from lawsuit.

They don't have the revenue to build up a support base to cater to the amount of people that plays this game with the quality that you're expecting.

Rewws

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Group Finder: in terms of queue time, it's long as hell if you're a dps since everyone and their mother is also queuing as a dps since no one wants to tank or heal. trust me, my tank has queue times around 10 seconds on average. If you're refering to how it sometimes kicks people or whatnot, that is an issue yes, but is rare. also, do't forget there is a vote to kick option which may be a reason for you being kicked.

Battlegrounds queues are indeed messed up right now, but it is the initial release, so give it time.

What's your issue with the crown store?

And guidelines so that protect them from lawsuit.

They don't have the revenue to build up a support base to cater to the amount of people that plays this game with the quality that you're expecting.

Sounds like you don't queue often with other players, if you solo queue it works more often then not, but it's still not good enough in a MMO, if you queue with a friend or several friends 99/100 times it throws you out, sometimes out in out, or out in out in, and as to me being kicked has never happened to date, because I am max level, I know every dungeon by heart, down to the last mob and heavy sack because dungeons Is what I do, I do between 5-30 dungeons each day, or I used to before things went down hill.

The guidelines you mention I can understand, but the guidelines I was talking about seem to protect them from any negative feedback so it renders support useless and makes people give up, because they don't want to listen to negativity only to positivity which makes it look like a child being in charge.

Rewws

I see what is apparent, the "expansion" costs more then the game itself did, and ofcourse I take the victime role when I am indeed a victim of things that aren't working as they should be, not to cause drama, but to prove that I know what I am talking about, this isn't a one time incident, I have played since launch and encountered mountains of bugs, problems, lack of help from support and high prices.. The conspiracies as you like to call them are questions, theories that could somewhat make sense of all the mess and inaction that they present. As for their prices I have not yet heard anyone saying that they actually feel their pricing is fair to the products they sell, so how can you not see the flaw there?

Epona222

Rewws wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Group Finder: in terms of queue time, it's long as hell if you're a dps since everyone and their mother is also queuing as a dps since no one wants to tank or heal. trust me, my tank has queue times around 10 seconds on average. If you're refering to how it sometimes kicks people or whatnot, that is an issue yes, but is rare. also, do't forget there is a vote to kick option which may be a reason for you being kicked.

Battlegrounds queues are indeed messed up right now, but it is the initial release, so give it time.

What's your issue with the crown store?

And guidelines so that protect them from lawsuit.

They don't have the revenue to build up a support base to cater to the amount of people that plays this game with the quality that you're expecting.

Sounds like you don't queue often with other players, if you solo queue it works more often then not, but it's still not good enough in a MMO, if you queue with a friend or several friends 99/100 times it throws you out, sometimes out in out, or out in out in, and as to me being kicked has never happened to date, because I am max level, I know every dungeon by heart, down to the last mob and heavy sack because dungeons Is what I do, I do between 5-30 dungeons each day, or I used to before things went down hill.

The guidelines you mention I can understand, but the guidelines I was talking about seem to protect them from any negative feedback so it renders support useless and makes people give up, because they don't want to listen to negativity only to positivity which makes it look like a child being in charge.

I agree with that completely about Group finder, have had so many problems with queueing with a pre-formed group of 4 for randoms (which yes, is an intended function of the tool), and even when we have set our roles to something that group finder deems acceptable to queue as in a full group - it puts you in the dungeon, it puts you out of a dungeon right afterwards, sometimes it puts you back in again, sometimes the status stays at "In Progress" even though you are out, and sometimes it doesn't - which means everyone in your pre-formed group of 4 is on 15 minute queue cooldown even though no-one has been kicked and all 4 of us are still grouped and still friends - and still standing where we started when we queued, all complaining about group finder bugging out again. I've never been kicked from a dungeon group.

Smmokkee

Rewws wrote: »

Ok, lately I have been a victim of a couple of things, which makes me unable to play, and if I wanted to play not able to play the way I wanted, with high costs and seemingly nothing working the way it's intented, and reading so many posts here on the forums where people point out the same things that I am experiencing I just have to ask, what the actual F are you doing over there Zenimax?

The dungeon tool has been broken for group play since the launch of homestead which is now 6months, and the latest news is that it's even worse now after the morrowind patch, my last hope was that you atleast completely revamped the grouping tool system for this major release, but you seem more focused on pumping out new content and quantity over quality, spewing out stuff that gains interest and cash rather then fixing pressing and embarrassing issues which any selfrespecting developer would hotfix or do in a extended maintenance ASAP.

The battlegrounds I have not tried myself (because I can't even play the game 1week after I was promised early access to something I paid close to 100$ for....) but the reports are that this major feature which is one of the main reasons some people have bought morrowind also doesn't work as intended.

The way you price things, the way you focus on your revenue, the way your support handles the replies that comes in and the way that you seem ignorant and too proud to be honest and lay down flat when you do big screw ups seems very unprofessional. Jessica posted the other day that the typos she had in her luxury vendor post was due to" Having a toddler on arm" which indicates that she can't handle constructive feedback, and only externalizes her own choices and flaws.

When you get a reply from support, I have always had the feeling there is a wrong focus or a pretend atmosphere in all the replies I get, it could be the copy paste information that barely is relevant to the things you have sent to them or it could be the fact that they don't seem to adress you or your issue directly at all, or that they all just say "sorry to hear that" sorry about that" then thats it, and you get no further help with your issues, they just say "sorry try again". That is worth as much as this number 0. I have recently had a major issue with crown store and account subscription where I have talked to a dozen people, all saying the same things and all replying with *** answers that don't actually say anything and don't lead anywhere, everyone is just sending the ball to the next guy.

The way the support seems to "have to handle" things, makes me thing you have guildines that they must follow, guidelines that protect you and your developers from any direct and even constructive feedback from your player base, which makes you look like toddlers yourself which can't bare to face the truth about the game, you post things like you are so proud and that everything is amazing and that everything is grand and perfect. And behind your blind love of your own game, you almost say "no this is negative, delete it, close it, remove it, oversee it, ignore it, how the hell are you going to grow? But once you play the game and see all the cynical choices you make and all the corner cutting you do you end up with a feeling that this company is all about the money, all about the seemingly awesomeness, if I had a awesome car with no motor and tires I wouldn't want that car. And your workshop doesn't fix your car, they say "we need more time = more money" Is the support and administration even remotely linked to the game in anyway or are they separate organs of your organization? Support give of a feeling that they don't know how the game works, and the admins in your company who makes all the pricing and future goals don't seem to know anything about the games functionality at this point, is your report back system even existant, or don't they care?

In any case my message to Zenimax and I am sure many others agree to is that: Make a good plan on how to re-adress EVERY issue that is currently not working as intended, be honest to yourselves (it's hard I know) be honest to the player base, and start on a remedying path to fix already existing content before we see any new "shiny feather" in your hat, that is crawling with bugs (pun intended). Your quality is diminishing and we notice, and we care, we have invested time and money into your product, you have promised but not delivered, now take responsability or you will find yourself without paying costumers soon, atleast those that can think for themselves. We get that you need to make money, and we get that you need to have time to fix things, but learn some modesty and care more about your player base then you do right now, because we feel expendable as it is right now and the face looking back at us has $ $ in its eyes.

PS: To any forum troll going to post "wall of text (insert word of opportunity to damage someones attempt to make a difference)" or if you simply love to tear down every argument for the sport-boost feeling of making a scene and being in opposition, please go somewhere else.

Thanks, Rewws

Agreed completely.

kunquatb16_ESO

I think their changes to game balance is a victim of what the OP describes too. They need to admit it's the wrong way. They need to remember it's about the fun of playing. Grouping is important to that.

They definitely seems to have a communication problem, support is so woeful, I go to other players for game support, they do an infinitely better job. Zeni doesn't seem to react to it's players feedback, giving the strong impression they don't care, even if they really do.

kunquatb16_ESO

Rewws wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Tl;dr everything is a conspiracy geared at making OP not enjoy the game.

/thread

I have pointed out how the game affects me, and how I see it affecting us all. you are mixing self experience with selfpity.

There are always those that will push you in to a ditch to make themselves feel taller. Just remember, it's their self doubt that makes them do it.

You make some very good valid points, it is ultimately about the money, they are a business. However, what Zeni need to realize is, we are that money, it's playerbase. If it doesn't listen to us, they lose us, and our money. Not listening, not giving support, not fixing bugged content, will in the end, lose them money.

It's bad business to not listen to your customers.

ProfesseurFreder

Unreadable wall of text. I take it you are complaining. *snore.*

Avran_Sylt

Hmmm. True, usually I'm a solo queue for dungeons. wonder what causes the teleport bug for groups? are they accidentally switching instances? Could a fix be having the group leader travel to the dungeon first, then auto "travel to player" the other characters but done behind the scene? is that what already happens? Is it a problem with latency/server population?

Wonder how they actually do it...
Wonder if you could apply to be a "test subject" and experiment with this stuff...

Jtj87

What is it going to take for people to realize? 45 bucks for mounts, 100 bucks for homes, 40 bucks for battlegrounds and warden slapped on morrowind that has less content than orsinium to justify the 40 buck price tag. People will say oh you don't have to buy it. It's the principle behind it. They charge a premium price but we get sub par content, as a consumer this is not acceptable.

People are getting fed up with zeni, multiple streams have all but quit making content and streaming this game because it's apparent what zeni is doing. It's a total cash grab to entice new people to try out the game and then they throw loyal customers under the bus that have supported this game since the beginning. there are still bugs that have been in this game since launch, cyro will never be fixed, every patch that gets released adds more bugs to the game. I have just about had enough. If morrowind is a chapter and is suppose to have more content than dlc we are screwed.

Rewws

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

I think their changes to game balance is a victim of what the OP describes too. They need to admit it's the wrong way. They need to remember it's about the fun of playing. Grouping is important to that.

They definitely seems to have a communication problem, support is so woeful, I go to other players for game support, they do an infinitely better job. Zeni doesn't seem to react to it's players feedback, giving the strong impression they don't care, even if they really do.

Thanks mate you saved my day, and thanks to all others who support this with open eyes.

idk

Rewws wrote: »

The way you price things, the way you focus on your revenue, the way your support handles the replies that comes in and the way that you seem ignorant and too proud to be honest and lay down flat when you do big screw ups seems very unprofessional. Jessica posted the other day that the typos she had in her luxury vendor post was due to" Having a toddler on arm" which indicates that she can't handle constructive feedback, and only externalizes her own choices and flaws.

When I see a comment like this I feel blessed to be in such company of someone who has never made a mistake in their employment.

Given the fact that most highly successful people have made plenty of mistakes in their career I find it highly unlikely anyone who has actually done anything has not made a mistake.

Further, the comment on Jessica is very laughable since nothing in the OPs comment indicates Jessica cannot handle constructive feedback. It is a really huge stretch to come to that conclusion based on what OP states.

Further, the situation mentioned is not that big of a deal. Zos will be adding the items to the vendor in future weeks so nothing lost, just save up our gold.

Invincible

My experience as a patron of MMOs going on 10+ years is that general quality of everything goes down as time passes. Players lose interest, devs lose interest and eventually the only people left running the show are the bean counters.

It's not a shot at zos it's just a fact of life. You can't rebuild a building full of people.

aerdna_119eb17_ESO

Rewws wrote: »

Ok, lately I have been a victim of a couple of things, which makes me unable to play, and if I wanted to play not able to play the way I wanted, with high costs and seemingly nothing working the way it's intented, and reading so many posts here on the forums where people point out the same things that I am experiencing I just have to ask, what the actual F are you doing over there Zenimax?

The dungeon tool has been broken for group play since the launch of homestead which is now 6months, and the latest news is that it's even worse now after the morrowind patch, my last hope was that you atleast completely revamped the grouping tool system for this major release, but you seem more focused on pumping out new content and quantity over quality, spewing out stuff that gains interest and cash rather then fixing pressing and embarrassing issues which any selfrespecting developer would hotfix or do in a extended maintenance ASAP.

The battlegrounds I have not tried myself (because I can't even play the game 1week after I was promised early access to something I paid close to 100$ for....) but the reports are that this major feature which is one of the main reasons some people have bought morrowind also doesn't work as intended.

The way you price things, the way you focus on your revenue, the way your support handles the replies that comes in and the way that you seem ignorant and too proud to be honest and lay down flat when you do big screw ups seems very unprofessional. Jessica posted the other day that the typos she had in her luxury vendor post was due to" Having a toddler on arm" which indicates that she can't handle constructive feedback, and only externalizes her own choices and flaws.

When you get a reply from support, I have always had the feeling there is a wrong focus or a pretend atmosphere in all the replies I get, it could be the copy paste information that barely is relevant to the things you have sent to them or it could be the fact that they don't seem to adress you or your issue directly at all, or that they all just say "sorry to hear that" sorry about that" then thats it, and you get no further help with your issues, they just say "sorry try again". That is worth as much as this number 0. I have recently had a major issue with crown store and account subscription where I have talked to a dozen people, all saying the same things and all replying with *** answers that don't actually say anything and don't lead anywhere, everyone is just sending the ball to the next guy.

The way the support seems to "have to handle" things, makes me thing you have guildines that they must follow, guidelines that protect you and your developers from any direct and even constructive feedback from your player base, which makes you look like toddlers yourself which can't bare to face the truth about the game, you post things like you are so proud and that everything is amazing and that everything is grand and perfect. And behind your blind love of your own game, you almost say "no this is negative, delete it, close it, remove it, oversee it, ignore it, how the hell are you going to grow? But once you play the game and see all the cynical choices you make and all the corner cutting you do you end up with a feeling that this company is all about the money, all about the seemingly awesomeness, if I had a awesome car with no motor and tires I wouldn't want that car. And your workshop doesn't fix your car, they say "we need more time = more money" Is the support and administration even remotely linked to the game in anyway or are they separate organs of your organization? Support give of a feeling that they don't know how the game works, and the admins in your company who makes all the pricing and future goals don't seem to know anything about the games functionality at this point, is your report back system even existant, or don't they care?

In any case my message to Zenimax and I am sure many others agree to is that: Make a good plan on how to re-adress EVERY issue that is currently not working as intended, be honest to yourselves (it's hard I know) be honest to the player base, and start on a remedying path to fix already existing content before we see any new "shiny feather" in your hat, that is crawling with bugs (pun intended). Your quality is diminishing and we notice, and we care, we have invested time and money into your product, you have promised but not delivered, now take responsability or you will find yourself without paying costumers soon, atleast those that can think for themselves. We get that you need to make money, and we get that you need to have time to fix things, but learn some modesty and care more about your player base then you do right now, because we feel expendable as it is right now and the face looking back at us has $ $ in its eyes.

PS: To any forum troll going to post "wall of text (insert word of opportunity to damage someones attempt to make a difference)" or if you simply love to tear down every argument for the sport-boost feeling of making a scene and being in opposition, please go somewhere else.

Thanks, Rewws

I totally agree with you!

Rewws

Invincible wrote: »

My experience as a patron of MMOs going on 10+ years is that general quality of everything goes down as time passes. Players lose interest, devs lose interest and eventually the only people left running the show are the bean counters.

It's not a shot at zos it's just a fact of life. You can't rebuild a building full of people.

So we should expect atleast 7 years with growth then?

kunquatb16_ESO

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Rewws wrote: »

The way you price things, the way you focus on your revenue, the way your support handles the replies that comes in and the way that you seem ignorant and too proud to be honest and lay down flat when you do big screw ups seems very unprofessional. Jessica posted the other day that the typos she had in her luxury vendor post was due to" Having a toddler on arm" which indicates that she can't handle constructive feedback, and only externalizes her own choices and flaws.

When I see a comment like this I feel blessed to be in such company of someone who has never made a mistake in their employment.

Given the fact that most highly successful people have made plenty of mistakes in their career I find it highly unlikely anyone who has actually done anything has not made a mistake.

Further, the comment on Jessica is very laughable since nothing in the OPs comment indicates Jessica cannot handle constructive feedback. It is a really huge stretch to come to that conclusion based on what OP states.

Further, the situation mentioned is not that big of a deal. Zos will be adding the items to the vendor in future weeks so nothing lost, just save up our gold.

So, you have no problem with support giving little, if any support? You're happy that feedback doesn't appear to be being listened to? You're fine with very long standing bugs and game malfunctions remaining unfix, in some cases getting worse?

I really don't get where you're coming from, can you not see that these are bad things?. Bad for players, bad for Zeni.

Silver_Strider

I agree 100% with OP.
I cant help but wonder where the revenue ESO generates is going to when bugs are this rampant. Between the crown store's increasingly outrageous prices for trivial items, like mounts ranging from $30-$45, the "optional" sub fees that more than a few people maintain solely for the crafting bag, double housing space (and now double storage space) as well as the prices for DLC and "Chapters" it just begs that question.

Bug fixes are few and far between, same with content, Customer Support is lackluster to say the least, bots are still running rampant, so where is the money going?

I understand that they need to pay their employees but seriously unless ZOS is paying all their employees 150% over the average tech support salary, there has to be SOME available for more than what they're currently providing.

Balamoor

Rewws wrote: »

Ok, lately I have been a victim

Annnnnnd stopped reading right there.

Phinix1

lagrue wrote: »

Tl;dr everything is a conspiracy geared at making OP not enjoy the game.

lagrue wrote: »

This is basically the epitome of self pity

Reported for trolling and baiting with non-constructive personal jabs.

Rewws wrote: »

The way the support seems to "have to handle" things, makes me thing you have guidelines that they must follow, guidelines that protect you and your developers from any direct and even constructive feedback from your player base... [snip] ...you post things like you are so proud and that everything is amazing and that everything is grand and perfect... [snip] ... you say "no this is negative, delete it, close it, remove it, oversee it, ignore it, how the hell are you going to grow?

While I am relatively ambivalent regarding many of your points (there IS a lot to like about the game, flaws and stubborn devs and money grubbing aside), this has always bothered me. Dealing with this company often feels like I am at a writer's convention where the authors of every cheesy selfishness-empowering postmodern self-help novel are all sitting around with their false smiles and so-called philosophy that positivism for the sake of it actually makes a thing positive so long as YOU personally feel good, for reasons related to the matter at hand or not.

As if just LABELING something positive magically makes it so, like Obi-Wan casting Jedi mind tricks at the paying customer. Nothing irks me more than pretentious positivism for the sake of it. It reminds me of a bunch of middle-age men closing their eyes and holding their hands over their ears going "nah nah nah nah can't hear you!" to everything that doesn't make them personally feel good.

Talk about an ego trip!

I get it, there's lots of negativity in the world. But we ALL have to cope with that in our own way and YOU guys are FILTHY FLIPPING RICH! Seriously, DEAL WITH IT. Sometimes I just want to say, "My dudes, seriously. You're supposed to be professionals. Adults. So act like it! The world isn't out to get you, so stop giving them reasons to be by short-cutting and deflecting important concerns! You are become the self-fulfilling prophesy of your own persecution complex!"

Kneighbors

Totally agree with OP. Seems to me the game is heading in a wrong direction. I feel it inside the game, there are less players, less PvE groups, less interest. At least this is what I observe on EU server. Maybe on NA things are different.

Some parts of the game are completely abandoned. Like Imperial City.

When I came to the game around a year ago I had a feeling that the game is in some kind of beta state. Like a promising product which will only improve with the time. But it didn't happen. Since then I saw only nerfs nerfs nerfs, bugs bugs bugs, almost no improvement at all. Fix one bug bring 3 new ones. I was planning to buy Morrowind and to sub around 3 month ago. But suddenly I realized - ZoS can't fix Group Finder. They simply can't do it. They don't have capable staff to do it. Their art development is in much better shape than group tools coders. Even the game performance improved while there was no signs of Group Tools getting fixed. They are addressing each Group Finder bug a separate issue. They don't even realize that it's all F up. That it is necessary to go back to old version or make new one. So there was no chance Battleground will work properly.

I'm sorry to say it, but those who hope that dungeon grouping, battleground or alliance war will ever function well are optimistic or even naive. The community will abandon the game before it will ever happen.

Doctordarkspawn

Kneighbors wrote: »

Totally agree with OP. Seems to me the game is heading in a wrong direction. I feel it inside the game, there are less players, less PvE groups, less interest. At least this is what I observe on EU server. Maybe on NA things are different.

Some parts of the game are completely abandoned. Like Imperial City.

When I came to the game around a year ago I had a feeling that the game is in some kind of beta state. Like a promising product which will only improve with the time. But it didn't happen. Since then I saw only nerfs nerfs nerfs, bugs bugs bugs, almost no improvement at all. Fix one bug bring 3 new ones. I was planning to buy Morrowind and to sub around 3 month ago. But suddenly I realized - ZoS can't fix Group Finder. They simply can't do it. They don't have capable staff to do it. Their art development is in much better shape than group tools coders. Even the game performance improved while there was no signs of Group Tools getting fixed. They are addressing each Group Finder bug a separate issue. They don't even realize that it's all F up. That it is necessary to go back to old version or make new one. So there was no chance Battleground will work properly.

I'm sorry to say it, but those who hope that dungeon grouping, battleground or alliance war will ever function well are optimistic or even naive. The community will abandon the game before it will ever happen.

NA isn't much better.

lagrue

Phinix1 wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Tl;dr everything is a conspiracy geared at making OP not enjoy the game.

lagrue wrote: »

This is basically the epitome of self pity

Reported for trolling and baiting with non-constructive personal jabs.

LOL okay then - not really report-worthy, but you enjoy yourself. OP Made the claim he wasn't self-pitying - but he was - that's not me trolling, just pointing out the truth of the matter.

He also made claims about how support apparently purposely ignores problems lol - that is pretending there's a conspiracy.

OP also directly insults ZOS employees in his post - how can you honestly be reporting ME for 'personal jabs' versus him. OP is probably such a cool guy - insulting a mother with a toddler for making typos - like k. That's totally defensible.

You are wrong, plain and simple. I guess because I don't agree with you though, you're now gonna come here and actually bait and try to incite an argument with comments like "Reported" while not looking at the entire thread for what was being said.

Glamdring

I wont even consider buying morrowind until maybe 2 patches after 6th of june release. i wont spend my time freely bugtesting for Zo$. and even after that i will read up on how battlegrounds worked out since that is the only reason for me to evetually buy it.

Rewws

lagrue wrote: »

Phinix1 wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Tl;dr everything is a conspiracy geared at making OP not enjoy the game.

lagrue wrote: »

This is basically the epitome of self pity

Reported for trolling and baiting with non-constructive personal jabs.

LOL okay then - not really report-worthy, but you enjoy yourself. OP Made the claim he wasn't self-pitying - but he was - that's not me trolling, just pointing out the truth of the matter.

He also made claims about how support apparently purposely ignores problems lol - that is pretending there's a conspiracy.

OP also directly insults ZOS employees in his post - how can you honestly be reporting ME for 'personal jabs' versus him. OP is probably such a cool guy - insulting a mother with a toddler for making typos - like k. That's totally defensible.

You are wrong, plain and simple. I guess because I don't agree with you though, you're now gonna come here and actually bait and try to incite an argument with comments like "Reported" while not looking at the entire thread for what was being said.

You might not know this yet, but you are what most people consider a forum troll, nobody can win an argument with you because you will always twist things into your miserable view so you can feel good about yourself, to me you sound like a coward and your attempts to laugh it off and fake political correctness I think just shows how little selfinsight you have. If you love being in opposition and ventilate through keyboardcourage then please find a forum where people want to listen to that.

And about the post of the ZOS employee, you are overdramatizing the things I said, I criticized her, because not taking responsibility no matter how big or small the case, is considered a psychological immaturity, saying someone is unprofessional isn't an insult it's constructive feedback and points out staff solving even trivial mistakes with excuses.

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lagrue wrote: »

Phinix1 wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Tl;dr everything is a conspiracy geared at making OP not enjoy the game.

lagrue wrote: »

This is basically the epitome of self pity

Reported for trolling and baiting with non-constructive personal jabs.

LOL okay then - not really report-worthy, but you enjoy yourself. OP Made the claim he wasn't self-pitying - but he was - that's not me trolling, just pointing out the truth of the matter.

He also made claims about how support apparently purposely ignores problems lol - that is pretending there's a conspiracy.

OP also directly insults ZOS employees in his post - how can you honestly be reporting ME for 'personal jabs' versus him. OP is probably such a cool guy - insulting a mother with a toddler for making typos - like k. That's totally defensible.

You are wrong, plain and simple. I guess because I don't agree with you though, you're now gonna come here and actually bait and try to incite an argument with comments like "Reported" while not looking at the entire thread for what was being said.

Have you considered the idea that players who complain about support not giving real support, are in fact trying to improve something?

Is it not possible they could do better at this?

How does having a toddler on your arm make spell check suddenly to hard to do? it's not an excuse. Never mind what her statement says in terms of gender politics and working mothers. There is no reason woking mothers can't be every bit as professional as anyone else, with kids or not.

Support needs to improve, Currently, paid support staff are far out performed by players, most of whom spend money on the game, with which those same support staff are paid. Players are collectively paying them to provide support (as well as the game ect), and currently doing that support for them too.

If you can't bring yourself to agree that this situation is entirely wrong, and ultimately harmful to both Zeni and the players, you are beyond all help.