Putting the RP in MMORPG

RDMyers65b14_ESO

I think that it is done the way it is to avoid the game being banned in some countries. There are many laws in different countries that ZOS has to follow in order to do business. The bottom line for ZOS is to make a profit. So, while you can RP whatever you want, ZOS has to follow the laws.

stewhead2ub17_ESO

@RDMyers65b14_ESO

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

I think that it is done the way it is to avoid the game being banned in some countries. There are many laws in different countries that ZOS has to follow in order to do business. The bottom line for ZOS is to make a profit. So, while you can RP whatever you want, ZOS has to follow the laws.

an interesting notion, but I would hope that is not the case as it pertains to the OP's initial point.

hmsdragonfly

puffytheslayer wrote: »

as an actor
please stop comparing acting to role playing
acting is bringing a character in a script to life on stage, or on the screen
roleplaying is creating a character, that is usually an extention of your real life personality however exagerated & bringing it to 'life'

i am not saying that people who want to role play a slaver are slavers in real life, im saying they are probablly so sick of doing what they are told to by parent/boss/partner rl that they want to roleplay someone with ultimate control.

There's a quest when you have a choice to either help the Khajiit who is growing Moon Sugar, or you can report about it to the authority.

Yet you don't have an option to not free slave.

Please, let us at least have an option to not free slave, no way a Telvanni will free these ugly n'wahs.

hmsdragonfly

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

I think that it is done the way it is to avoid the game being banned in some countries. There are many laws in different countries that ZOS has to follow in order to do business. The bottom line for ZOS is to make a profit. So, while you can RP whatever you want, ZOS has to follow the laws.

I don't think refusing to free slaves will get the game banned anywhere. Players can refuse to report criminal to the authority, so what's wrong with not freeing slaves?

idk

vestahls wrote: »

Zennie, when will I be able to quest-wise play a canonically pro-slavery Dunmer as per game choices and dialogue?

I say when because I'm a positive thinker.

Sincerely,

You can RP it without issue though Zos cannot create dialogue in quests to meet everyone's RP desires. Just not possible.

ObsidianMichi

You won't be able to RP a slaver because all three of the Alliances have outlawed slavery and your character is a member of one of those. Zenimax already neatly sidestepped this issue when they set the world up to begin with. You can headcanon whatever you want, but I wouldn't expect those attitudes to make it into the game's quests or dialogue any time soon.

elantaura

I ask why myself argonians can't attack slavers despite duel being off and have you spawn in a cage you can't get out of for a while.
On that note. Daggerfall - no slavery
Dominion - bearly get along at the best of times, but no slavery
Ep - dunmer and nords almost got wiped out by the akaviri they were saved by the argonians they swung a losing battle and as such no slavery.
because without those free lizards as the ones not enslaved were the ones who came to the rescue the hist had told them allowing them to arrive as the nords and dunmer were near defeat.The nords and dunmer would be replaced by frost giants of akaviri had the argonians not turned up. As such no slavery.

There's also a book in cyrodill ( pvpers do know some stuff) with its version called the second akaviri invasion.That gives an account with Ebonhearts mentioned Jorrun in it. I read it in cyro and googled it a bit look to the history a few years before the three banners war, the akaviri invasion - I looked it up in 2015 so might be rusty. I remember this as being the gist of it the dunmer were in a very bad place when they agreed.

hmsdragonfly

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

vestahls wrote: »

Zennie, when will I be able to quest-wise play a canonically pro-slavery Dunmer as per game choices and dialogue?

I say when because I'm a positive thinker.

Sincerely,

You can RP it without issue though Zos cannot create dialogue in quests to meet everyone's RP desires. Just not possible.

In Orsinium, you can become a chieftain of a clan if you are an Orc. This is why i love that DLC: your choices matter, and there are many choices you can make.

In this DLC, you can choose to report a criminal to the authority or simply not. You can choose to do something that benefits House Hlaalu or be like "screw you s'wit Hlaalu lol". This is not about RP. This is about immersion, this is about giving players a choice, which this game has done very well for the most part, just not this particular part. So, why don't we make the experience even better? What's the downside of giving the option to not free slaves? It can be short, like just go report to the slavers or something like that, we don't care. Just give us an option to not free slaves, we Telvanni aren't going to free these ugly n'wah.

Argawarga

Rickter wrote: »

vestahls wrote: »

Y tho?

Kindly explain without resorting to the pedestrian application of real life morality in fictive contexts.

This

dont give him a hard time. he is free to RP any way he would like, especially when it already exists in the game lore in a gme with an M rating.

These are mature themes. wanting to RP a slaver is no different than someone wanting to RP an assassin.

unless some how owning slaves is worse than killing people for a living?

its a game.

Belonging to the armed forces is in no way equivalent to owning a slave.

There are legitimate reasons for assasination, but not for the subjugation of other groups. The Americans faught a civil war over this very distinction (among others).

TheShadowScout

ObsidianMichi wrote: »

You won't be able to RP a slaver because all three of the Alliances have outlawed slavery and your character is a member of one of those...

True. Juuust checking, they outlawed murder too, riiight?



The point is, it is possible lore-wise, if the game developers ever decide to open that can of worms (not the worm cult, that was a different can of worms). Personallly I doubt they ever will, because it IS a politically sensitive topic (after all, flags get banned because of their association with slavery, noone wants that to happen to their game)...

...but if they chose to, they could very well make a "Slavers Guild" expansion, perhaps centered around Port Telvannis... And then an "Abolitionist Guild" expansion set in black marsh... and make both opf those regions mixed PvE/PvP, with the PvPing between slavers and abolitionists (and everyone who declined to join either just an neutrral party who can watch and nom sweetrolls while they stab each other in the gizzard)... and missions where the slavers go into black marsh and some other existing regions to capture argonians or other slaves, while the abolitionists sneak into port telvannis to free slaves, and each kill the other along the way...

Galwylin

Um, alright then....

So, the problem starts at character creation. No,, no, not that you can create a Dunmer. Yes, that's a problem but not the biggest. Its the idea that your choice is going to matter at all. Not your race. Not your sex. Not your class. Just window dressing for the player. For the NPCs perspective you are a faceless, sexless mass of flesh. I've even had one tell my character what a pretty face he had in his helmet that covered his entire face. I'm trying to think of where one action is harder or easier due to some choice you made at character creation and nothing comes to mind. They just haven't created anything that takes these into account since that would be a bit more work? I dunno. The quest takes into account ten races of both sexes as well as the good and evil but including each class they play and perhaps role. Well, whatever the work it still means more than the single choice they give now.

TheNuminous1

puffytheslayer wrote: »

vestahls wrote: »

DerAlleinTiger wrote: »

i am not saying that people who want to role play a slaver are slavers in real life, im saying they are probablly so sick of doing what they are told to by parent/boss/partner rl that they want to roleplay someone with ultimate control.

as someone with an MA in Psychology
please stick to acting



Sorry about that, not to be mean but, for the Nth time that's not what this is about. I mean I can't speak for others, but personally I just want accuracy in attitudes because I'm a stickler. If my main weren't a Dunmer, I probably never would've thought about opening this thread. And also I'm the type that evaluates a game based on replayability - play once with the good choices to get the good ending, then play the bad choices to get the bad ending, and I don't get this so much in ESO. Indeed, playing more than one character is not even encouraged since you can experience everything with one char. That is no bueno if you want to keep people playing.

I stated at the beginning of this thread that I'm a positive thinker, and I am. I believe that ZOS is constantly working to improve the game. Their idea of improvement might conflict with the community's idea of improvement sometimes, but at the end of the day it's in their interest to increase the quality => value of their product, and imo expanding on the RP aspect of the game would be a way to do that. They already dip their toe in this by putting irreversible choices in quest dialogue here and there.

and yes, I also support a thread for a discussion on acting vs RP

bored of this thread now - go back to your stupid little hiobby - please feel free to report me for baiting/offensive posts im sick to *** death of this *** forum & stupid roleplayers ruining the *** game for everyone else!

Exposing ones self in such a rash and irresponsible manner is not befitting of someone even deemed worthy of discussing the ancestral practice of owning a slave.

We brought them from the mud and cleansed them of their skooma riddled blood. We cloth them and teach them. Manners and patience and to serve.

In turn they raise our livestock, our children, care for our homes and possessions.

It is our right and their honor.

The Dunmer superiority prevails. Three bless and guide us.


(I've never played a dunmer once. I in fact kinda hate them. I main a bosmer a free loving adventurer and treethane of the valenwood. But anyone can role play any type of individual.

Its freestyle acting. One might even think it takes a smarter brain to role play. We embody our toons. Imagine their dialoge. We write narrorate and direct our own script. Acting is copy and paste compared in my opinion.

max_only

Purchase a crown store banker/vendor. There you go.

If it makes you uncomfortable that Nuzimeh is a Redguard and Tithus is a Dunmer and they are not Argonian, examine that feeling. That may be the feeling that prevents Zos from implementing this officially.

hmsdragonfly

Argawarga wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

vestahls wrote: »

Y tho?

Kindly explain without resorting to the pedestrian application of real life morality in fictive contexts.

This

dont give him a hard time. he is free to RP any way he would like, especially when it already exists in the game lore in a gme with an M rating.

These are mature themes. wanting to RP a slaver is no different than someone wanting to RP an assassin.

unless some how owning slaves is worse than killing people for a living?

its a game.

Belonging to the armed forces is in no way equivalent to owning a slave.

There are legitimate reasons for assasination, but not for the subjugation of other groups. The Americans faught a civil war over this very distinction (among others).

Belonging to a cult of assassins that worship some dead woman and kill people for money isn't exactly like belonging to the armed forces.

Well, I once murdered this Altmer in Auridon because he had this robe that I like. Too bad I only got some kind of junks when I looted his body. Yes, totally legit reason for murdering.

BTW we are not asking for the ability to own slaves, we are asking for an option to not free these ugly n'wah in this particular quest.