Remove Level Constraints From Recipes - Allow Food/Drinks to be Created without Recipes - Meals

Avran_Sylt

Full Title:
Remove the Level Constraints from Recipes, Give Recipes Bonus effects for Being used, Allow Food/Drink to be Created without Recipes. Introduce Meals, which are a combination of a Drink and a Food.

Constrain Foods that are not created via a recipe to only effect Max Attributes, Constrain Drinks that are not Created via a recipe to only effect Attribute Regen.

Meals are combinations of Food and Drinks that have their effectiveness reduced based on the number of different ingredient types, but have a longer duration.

Revamp Recipe Creation to be similar to Alchemy:

Ingredients are like Reagents (meat being +Max Hp, Veggies + Max Stam, Fruit + Max Mag, etc.)
Additives are used solely with Recipes (it's what current recipes use to differentiate one another)

More Ingredients used = longer duration, more varied ingredients reduces the effects.

Change Cooking UI to something similar to the Alchemy one, or perhaps a non-*** version of this:

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Recipe Bonuses could be anything from :
Fishy Stick: Increase Swim Speed by 20%
to
Orzorga's Smoked Bear Haunch : Grants increased Attribute Recovery in addition to health.

Alchemy Reagents could potentially be used (as several are already), giving max stam/hp/mag or mag/stam/hp regen.

This would allow the player to have a much greater variety of options to choose from/create when it comes to food, and it would also allow players to make meals that pony up to time-limited recipes (such as Dubious Camoran Throne, but this would still give an additional effect in comparison to the non-recipe counterpart). And give ZoS an easy platform to grant niche bonuses to foods and drinks based on the old recipes that no one uses anymore (such as the level 20 recipes).

Spur of the moment idea, but what are your thoughts?

MNsnowtaTy

Leave the Food System as it is.

I just don't see what's wrong with it the way it is. I think it's rather easy and it just takes figuring out which food is the best for your character. The better recipes tend to have the rarer ingredients already. Not always, but a good chunk of them.

leepalmer95

Leave the Food System as it is.

OP why are you so intent on drastically changing aspects of the game that are working fine and don't need changing?

You wanted GCD's
You wanted heavy attacks to not restore sustain
You wanted the nb's execute skills to deal its bonus dmg from sneak..
Wanted the bow ult to be a toggle.

Your free to have idea's but your idea's are always on things that work fine and don't need tweaking.

Avran_Sylt

MNsnowtaTy wrote: »

I just don't see what's wrong with it the way it is. I think it's rather easy and it just takes figuring out which food is the best for your character. The better recipes tend to have the rarer ingredients already. Not always, but a good chunk of them.

It is easy, and there's nothing wrong with the current system. I've stopped caring about food types a long time ago. Just go to the trader and buy a stack of CP160 Resource/HP food and I'm set for a couple weeks.

This is more to try and introduce a larger variety to choose from in terms of what you'll actually use. Perhaps if you're a vamp you'll grab a food that gives a small bonus to fire resistance, or disease resistance if your a WW. maybe you're a thief so you'll grab some food that somehow for whatever reason reduces sneak cost or increases your chance to find gold, whatever.

Epona222

Leave the Food System as it is.

This sounds like an "I haven't bothered learning all the recipes and don't see why I should have to" whine to me.

EDIT: Well, my friend, that is what happens when you go from Coldharbour to grinding to max without doing anything else in between - you miss out on all the container drops and writ rewards.

Avran_Sylt

@leepalmer95

As a casual player, gear grinding has never really interested me all that much. So vertical content is hardly my concern. Infused BSW is just as good as divines for me.

I don't want to drastically change what players at the summit of that vertical content do, but I'd like to see more horizontal content, give players more depth in areas that are not just the end-game trials grind. such as expanding how foods interact with the player.

Avran_Sylt

@Epona222

Recipes would still have their place, being superior in the bonuses that they offer over their non-recipe counterparts. I don't want recipes to have no place.

Also, yes, I do have my own recipes and make my own damned food and potions.

Epona222

Leave the Food System as it is.

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

@Epona222

Recipes would still have their place, being superior in the bonuses that they offer over their non-recipe counterparts. I don't want recipes to have no place.

Also, yes, I do have my own recipes and make my own damned food and potions.

If you can make them, then what on earth is this thread about? What is the issue? If you are worried that newer players can't make them, then just make them and dish out food and drink for free (or ask people to provide mats and you craft for them). I'm now actually completely baffled about the point you are trying to make, if you're not having any issue with recipes.

Rouven

I honestly think it would just be more confusing without really adding much. As fun as that sounds in terms of tailoring your special cocktail without the need to know a recipe first I think most people who actually think along those lines will still get the recipe to make the "superior" version.

Avran_Sylt

@Epona222

My concern is nearly all recipes (non-CP150-160) becoming useless as soon as you hit CP160. Especially with how much of this game is becoming less level oriented.

@Rouven

A Valid point, I entertained the idea that the bonuses would come at further reducing the effectiveness of Base Stats/Regen, but I was unsure if that'd harm them too much.

Edit: and as far as confusion goes, I don't think it'd be too complicated. slab down meats for hp, fruits for mag, and veggies for stam. As it is currently players still need to find a recipe, find a fire station, then figure out if they have the right ingredients for the recipe. rather than just plopping what they got into the fire.

Epona222

Leave the Food System as it is.

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

@Epona222

My concern is nearly all recipes (non-CP150-160) becoming useless as soon as you hit CP160. Especially with how much of this game is becoming less level oriented.

@Rouven

A Valid point, I entertained the idea that the bonuses would come at further reducing the effectiveness of Base Stats/Regen, but I was unsure if that'd harm them too much.

Who cares? Learn them and sell any you don't need, vendor or destroy any spares if you are having trouble selling/giving them to other players. People getting to 50 the first time still need those recipes and the food and drink they create - just because you've not had to do it for a while, it doesn't mean no-one else needs CP10-140 food and drink. And it's not as if the recipes take up any space once learned.

Avran_Sylt

@Epona222

Well, I kinda care.

Since they've now made earlier levels faster to level and higher levels take more xp (1-50) the lower level recipes (such as level 5-10 , 10-15) are becoming more useless apart from a player wanting to complete a collection, not to mention constant CP increases with the lower CP levels becoming continually easier to obtain, those recipes are becoming more and more useless.

Now, it's perfectly fine keeping it as it is, but I just think that they could do more with it than just releasing food/drink combinations that players want with each event to sate long time players. (instead releasing unique/ interesting effect drinks food and allowing players to create their own combinations for recipes that don't currently exist)

Sigtric

Leave the Food System as it is.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

OP why are you so intent on drastically changing aspects of the game that are working fine and don't need changing?

You wanted GCD's
You wanted heavy attacks to not restore sustain
You wanted the nb's execute skills to deal its bonus dmg from sneak..
Wanted the bow ult to be a toggle.

Your free to have idea's but your idea's are always on things that work fine and don't need tweaking.

I've been agreeing with you a lot lately - here's another.

NewBlacksmurf

I have my own Opinion

I would like recipes to stay
I would also like old/all food and drinks to work like the newer recipes or holiday recipes that are level 1-x

I do think the requirements should stay as they are

Queo

Leave the Food System as it is.

Why would this be a good idea? I don't get it? sounds like some wants bonus for having a skill, but not want to take the time to get it.

Tandor

Leave the Food System as it is.

It sounds complete nonsense to me.

max_only

Other

I like the idea of meals: food and drink together.

I was really confused when I started and found out I could only have one.

It would be nice if they combined a race specific food and a race specific drink into a golden recipe that made the "Meal". I can't think of exact names now but when I get home I'll post some ideas.

TheyCould even introduce "the Gourmet" character from Skyrim and his fans. A sort of immortal chef title. If I can dream a bit: have an iron chef arena where you have to fight to obtain the "freshest ingredients" for the golden recipe.

Queo

Leave the Food System as it is.

max_only wrote: »

I like the idea of meals: food and drink together.

I was really confused when I started and found out I could only have one.

It would be nice if they combined a race specific food and a race specific drink into a golden recipe that made the "Meal". I can't think of exact names now but when I get home I'll post some ideas.

TheyCould even introduce "the Gourmet" character from Skyrim and his fans. A sort of immortal chef title. If I can dream a bit: have an iron chef arena where you have to fight to obtain the "freshest ingredients" for the golden recipe.

ok... i actually like this idea... that be fun

max_only

Other

Queo wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

I like the idea of meals: food and drink together.

I was really confused when I started and found out I could only have one.

It would be nice if they combined a race specific food and a race specific drink into a golden recipe that made the "Meal". I can't think of exact names now but when I get home I'll post some ideas.

TheyCould even introduce "the Gourmet" character from Skyrim and his fans. A sort of immortal chef title. If I can dream a bit: have an iron chef arena where you have to fight to obtain the "freshest ingredients" for the golden recipe.

ok... i actually like this idea... that be fun

Wouldn't it though? An iron chef npc... I'm thinking Khajiit but maybe orc for the element of surprise.... could also be a Xivkyn kicked out of Coldharbor for caring more about food than torturing souls.