Stamina Builds Outclassed by Magicka Builds

FoulSnowpaw

Stamina builds are outclassed by magicka builds. This isn't an argument, just a statement
Armor Wise:

• Light Armor has 4884 spell penetration while medium armor has 12% weapon damage. Penetration is obviously better in both pvp and pve dungeons and trials. Additionally, this greatly affects how CP is allocated. Stamina builds are more likely to spend their CP on physical penetration, while magicka builds(since armor gives penetration) overally have higher critical damage potential and healing in CP.
• Harness Magicka: If anyone deals some magicka aoe(which is very prominent in both pvp and pve) they gain magicka. Additionally you get a damage shield from the ability itself so no need to worry about those aoe stuff. And even further, light armor grants Spell Resistance. Stand in the aoe for free magicka peeps.
• Spell Critical: Light armor's spell critical is maxed at 5 pieces, allowing 2 other type pieces as you see fit. Medium armor's critical rating is increased for each piece of medium armor equipped. At 7 pieces(2300), it barely matches light armor's 5 piece requirement(2200). Yay you get 100 more critical rating numbers with medium armor...
• Light armor grants spell resistance while medium armor grants no resistance perks. Only detection radius... It would be cool if it had physical resistance or something.

Weapons and General Abilities:

• Elemental Susceptibility. An infinite spell resistance breaker that reduces spell resistance by 5000. Its duration is refreshed every time you deal damage to the target. So simple.
• Elemental Drain: Infinite resource pool, which restores 400 magicka every one second when damaging the target for 24 seconds(9,600 total).
• Equilibrium: Exchange health for magicka. Easily slot this in your back bar. No need to worry about the health cost because you're ranged and won't even get hit. Additionally it's costs is reduced by the mages guild passive. ADDITIONALLY, casting any mages guild ability grants a 50% chance for Empower, increasing the damage of your next ability by 20%.
• Ranged: You just don't have to get poked. Just decimate your foes from afar. Stamina people get poked a lot and die from boss aoe, or waste resources on dodge roll, and deal less damage per second because of dodge delay and resource leak.
• Aoe: Magicka builds have ALOT more aoe abilities to play with on their back bar. Magicka based ultimates deal massive aoe damage, while stamina ones just knock ONE mob in the head.
• Auto Lock Resource Return: Staves typically aim for you when charging heavy attacks. Stamina weapons on the other hand... if the mob moves, you just fell on your face and got no stamina.

Class Passives and Abilities:

• In common outlook, we can all see that magicka has a greater plethora of abilities to use! Stamina builds like the Stamplar have only biting jabs and power of light. Major savagery perk? Just drink a potion. It is noticeable that stamina abilities have crappy morphs, while stuff like the Templar's/DK magicka morphs have heal capabilities. Slotting vigor wastes your ability bar, while magicka morphs have damage and healing all in one/simultaneously.
• Magicka abilities heal good. Stamina ones not so good. Magicka heals have more stacks AND bursts than plain vigor and rally.
• Take a look at the passives, which benefit mostly magicka. One example is the all new Warden's Piercing Cold passive which once had physical damage 6%, was removed and replaced with 6% magic damage.
• Instant stun, knockback, fear, or trap: Kinda obvious. Stamina people only have dizzy swing which requires melee charge and is easily canceled if target moves or if your sword is too short.

Summary:

• Magicka builds are easier to play. Most abilities auto lock on your target. Stamina skills require you lock on yourself. Magicka abilities are ranged, therefore little time is wasted dodging, running, healing, blocking. Beware tempest island though.
• Magicka steals. Magicka heals. Magicka wards. Magicka lords. Yep you get to feel like a god.
• Super penetration. With CP, weapon, and elemental drain/susceptibility you penetrate 15,000 spell resistance. With some armor sets, 20,000 penetration total.
• Stamina builds are burst damage with no sustain. Stamina damage sucks because the enemy's armor(18,000 or so for most bosses) blocks most of your damage. If at most, stamina physical penetration can reach 10,000; 14,000 if with proper gear.
• Sustain wise, magicka has the greater resource return. Heavy attacks dealt with resto staves restore large amounts of magicka. Destro staves return magicka upon kill. So in general, the so called cost reduction for stamina abilities is not great at all.
• Magicka abilities deal more damage in total. Greater aoe, range, and less time spent dodging, less running(after some mob that's hitting your healing buddy), and

I'm pretty sure some stamina DK/NB/WA/TP have some difficulties with stamina builds given our recent nerfing spree update.

To conclude,
Magicka greatly surpasses stamina in terms of end game character building. It's the all in one package. I personally am going to respect my characters to magicka.
Stamina has little or no incentives left besides the of holding an ornate blade.
ZOS really doesn't like stamina builds. Seems they keep pushing for magicka master build.

This took long to make! Not asking for change, just putting it out there/here.
Feel free to discuss stuff.

Stamden

Yep, Zenimax has made it pretty clear they don't give a *** about stamina players. Straight up removing the 6% physical damage from the Warden passive was a middle finger to anyone who doesn't want to play Elder Staves Online.

alexkdd99

While some of this is true, it is really obvious you are biased in your assessments. I realize everyone is biased to an extent, but it seems this is just a I hate magicka post.

The meta will continue shifting back and forth between the 2 for the life of the game. I keep 1 of each class with stam and magicka morphs leveled for when the power shifts.

This idea of true Balance is impossible in eso, atleast for how these developers go about trying.

GrumpyDuckling

FoulSnowpaw wrote: »

Stamina builds are outclassed by magicka builds. This isn't an argument, just a statement
Armor Wise:

• Light Armor has 4884 spell penetration while medium armor has 12% weapon damage. Penetration is obviously better in both pvp and pve dungeons and trials. Additionally, this greatly affects how CP is allocated. Stamina builds are more likely to spend their CP on physical penetration, while magicka builds(since armor gives penetration) overally have higher critical damage potential and healing in CP.
• Harness Magicka: If anyone deals some magicka aoe(which is very prominent in both pvp and pve) they gain magicka. Additionally you get a damage shield from the ability itself so no need to worry about those aoe stuff. And even further, light armor grants Spell Resistance. Stand in the aoe for free magicka peeps.
• Spell Critical: Light armor's spell critical is maxed at 5 pieces, allowing 2 other type pieces as you see fit. Medium armor's critical rating is increased for each piece of medium armor equipped. At 7 pieces(2300), it barely matches light armor's 5 piece requirement(2200). Yay you get 100 more critical rating numbers with medium armor...
• Light armor grants spell resistance while medium armor grants no resistance perks. Only detection radius... It would be cool if it had physical resistance or something.

Weapons and General Abilities:

• Elemental Susceptibility. An infinite spell resistance breaker that reduces spell resistance by 5000. Its duration is refreshed every time you deal damage to the target. So simple.
• Elemental Drain: Infinite resource pool, which restores 400 magicka every one second when damaging the target for 24 seconds(9,600 total).
• Equilibrium: Exchange health for magicka. Easily slot this in your back bar. No need to worry about the health cost because you're ranged and won't even get hit. Additionally it's costs is reduced by the mages guild passive. ADDITIONALLY, casting any mages guild ability grants a 50% chance for Empower, increasing the damage of your next ability by 20%.
• Ranged: You just don't have to get poked. Just decimate your foes from afar. Stamina people get poked a lot and die from boss aoe, or waste resources on dodge roll, and deal less damage per second because of dodge delay and resource leak.
• Aoe: Magicka builds have ALOT more aoe abilities to play with on their back bar. Magicka based ultimates deal massive aoe damage, while stamina ones just knock ONE mob in the head.
• Auto Lock Resource Return: Staves typically aim for you when charging heavy attacks. Stamina weapons on the other hand... if the mob moves, you just fell on your face and got no stamina.

Class Passives and Abilities:

• In common outlook, we can all see that magicka has a greater plethora of abilities to use! Stamina builds like the Stamplar have only biting jabs and power of light. Major savagery perk? Just drink a potion. It is noticeable that stamina abilities have crappy morphs, while stuff like the Templar's/DK magicka morphs have heal capabilities. Slotting vigor wastes your ability bar, while magicka morphs have damage and healing all in one/simultaneously.
• Magicka abilities heal good. Stamina ones not so good. Magicka heals have more stacks AND bursts than plain vigor and rally.
• Take a look at the passives, which benefit mostly magicka. One example is the all new Warden's Piercing Cold passive which once had physical damage 6%, was removed and replaced with 6% magic damage.
• Instant stun, knockback, fear, or trap: Kinda obvious. Stamina people only have dizzy swing which requires melee charge and is easily canceled if target moves or if your sword is too short.

Summary:

• Magicka builds are easier to play. Most abilities auto lock on your target. Stamina skills require you lock on yourself. Magicka abilities are ranged, therefore little time is wasted dodging, running, healing, blocking. Beware tempest island though.
• Magicka steals. Magicka heals. Magicka wards. Magicka lords. Yep you get to feel like a god.
• Super penetration. With CP, weapon, and elemental drain/susceptibility you penetrate 15,000 spell resistance. With some armor sets, 20,000 penetration total.
• Stamina builds are burst damage with no sustain. Stamina damage sucks because the enemy's armor(18,000 or so for most bosses) blocks most of your damage. If at most, stamina physical penetration can reach 10,000; 14,000 if with proper gear.
• Sustain wise, magicka has the greater resource return. Heavy attacks dealt with resto staves restore large amounts of magicka. Destro staves return magicka upon kill. So in general, the so called cost reduction for stamina abilities is not great at all.
• Magicka abilities deal more damage in total. Greater aoe, range, and less time spent dodging, less running(after some mob that's hitting your healing buddy), and

I'm pretty sure some stamina DK/NB/WA/TP have some difficulties with stamina builds given our recent nerfing spree update.

To conclude,
Magicka greatly surpasses stamina in terms of end game character building. It's the all in one package. I personally am going to respect my characters to magicka.
Stamina has little or no incentives left besides the of holding an ornate blade.
ZOS really doesn't like stamina builds. Seems they keep pushing for magicka master build.

This took long to make! Not asking for change, just putting it out there/here.
Feel free to discuss stuff.

Class skills need more stamina morph options to try to make stamina compete with magicka. The Caltrops change was a nice start.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/344207/87-of-class-skills-are-magicka-131-vs-stamina-19-is-this-balanced

Inhuman003

Yep you're right after looking at a few videos of battlegrounds magicka builds are way stronger than stamina builds, Magicka will dominate the boards.

Rikkof

WANNA BET THE OP IS A NIGHTBLADE, STAMINA GANKER?
I CAN SMELL THE LIKES OF HIM FROM MILES AWAY IN tAMRIEL

FoulSnowpaw

I was a stamplar once. But then I took a nerf to the knee.
Now a magplar

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Rikkof wrote: »

WANNA BET THE OP IS A NIGHTBLADE, STAMINA GANKER?
I CAN SMELL THE LIKES OF HIM FROM MILES AWAY IN tAMRIEL

But can you sniff out the caps lock key?

ofSunhold

You're not wrong.

Maybe a third morph for each class skill, so everybody has options. Other than that, no idea how they can balance this. It's messy.

Nemesis7884

the current system needs to be improved to support more diversity...stamina seemed to get the short end of the stick before and now its worse...it's a shame and i also don't really understand the design concept behind it tbh...you know youre game isn't really well balanced when you encounter 75% staff wielding sorcs in the field...

What they should do - more stamina morphs and more passives that support stamina and magicka... imo every class skill line should have at least 2-3 stamina morphs and 2-3 stamina supporting passives...otherwise just get ridd of stamina builds alltogether... either do it right or don't do it at all

charlie_delta

But heavy attacks guys...

MrBeatDown_

I used to be a Stamina DK, Now I'm a Magicka Sorc. Game is super ez now and I'm enjoying blowing people up with my insane burst damage. Even though I wear 7 pieces of light armor, I can still cast a shield and get all in your face like a DK tank except I can also do the Damage of a NB attacking you from stealth using ultimate with selene going off too. Its amazing.

No reason to play stamina right now. Zos screwed the pooch on that one.

Oh I forgot to mention, I also have infinite sustain. And my abilities are extremely cheap so I can spam everything I need whenever I want.

TAKE THAT STAMA BUILDS LOL

Galwylin

Rikkof wrote: »

WANNA BET THE OP IS A NIGHTBLADE, STAMINA GANKER?
I CAN SMELL THE LIKES OF HIM FROM MILES AWAY IN tAMRIEL

So, victim much?

Narvuntien

Where is the stamina steal buff ZoS?

Kram8ion

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Rikkof wrote: »

WANNA BET THE OP IS A NIGHTBLADE, STAMINA GANKER?
I CAN SMELL THE LIKES OF HIM FROM MILES AWAY IN tAMRIEL

But can you sniff out the caps lock key?

Maybe he's using sign language too