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Dks.. Combustion and World in Ruin (Ardent Flame Passives)
Darlgon
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Enough highjacking that guys thread.. here.. some of you asked for this:
@sodantokb16_ESO , @leepalmer95 , @casparian
Learn to DK.
Test subject is an Argonian DK, level 50, with no CP spent and no other points spent. Using a CP160 Gold Whitestrake's Inferno Staff.
Combustion does NOT affect the Destro Staff Line.
World in Ruin does affect only SOME Destro Staff skills. It is 3% and 6%.
(Formula for % increase: ( { (Increased dmg) - (Base dmg) } * 100 / (Base Dmg) )
Destro staff skill
No points in either
1 point in Combustion
2 points in Combustion
1 point in World in Ruin
2 points in World in Ruin
Force Shock IV
No points in either = 1056 Flame Damage
1 point in Combustion = 1056 Flame Damage
2 points in Combustion = 1056 Flame Damage
1 point in World in Ruin = 1056 Flame Damage (no change)
2 points in World in Ruin = 1056 Flame Damage (no change)
Wall of Fire IV
No points in either = 947 Flame Damage per tick
1 point in Combustion = 947 Flame Damage per tick
2 points in Combustion = 947 Flame Damage per tick
1 point in World in Ruin = 975 Flame Damage per tick (increase of 28 points per tick or 2.9% )
2 points in World in Ruin = 1003 Flame Damage per tick (increase of 56 points per tick or 5.91%)
Flame Touch II
No points in either = 2274 initial / 2865 over time
1 point in Combustion = 2274 initial / 2865 over time
2 points in Combustion = 2274 initial / 2865 over time
1 point in World in Ruin = 2274 initial / 2865 over time (no change)
2 points in World in Ruin = 2274 initial / 2865 over time (no change)
Fire Impulse IV
No points in either = 2345 Flame Damage
1 point in Combustion = 2345 Flame Damage
2 points in Combustion = 2345 Flame Damage
1 point in World in Ruin = 2415 Flame Damage (increase of 70 points, or 2.9%)
2 points in World in Ruin = 2485 Flame Damage (increase of 140 points, or 5.97%)
Edited by Darlgon on May 22, 2017 8:39PM sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »It's an intelligent change. Winter's Embrace is a magicka skill line so the passive should benefit the people actually using it, instead of people who will arbitrarily level it for one passive.
Yet dk's get a poison and fire aoe version because they do poison and fire.
It's a stupid change.
Err.. what? Those passives only affect skills from those lines, not any aoe.
Come back when you play a DK.
Wow. Quoted for proof of intelligence. Do storm calling passives only increase damage of storm calling skills too?
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Combustion_(Ardent_Flame)
"Combustion increases the Fire and Poison damage of the active skills in the Ardent Flame skill line. It does not boost damage from other skill lines such as flame staves or skills from Destruction Staff."
That [verification needed] you didnt included in that quote does not really help with the question at hand
Not to mention it is not the AoE passive they were talking about.
Do you even DK
leepalmer95 wrote: »D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »It's an intelligent change. Winter's Embrace is a magicka skill line so the passive should benefit the people actually using it, instead of people who will arbitrarily level it for one passive.
Yet dk's get a poison and fire aoe version because they do poison and fire.
It's a stupid change.
Err.. what? Those passives only affect skills from those lines, not any aoe.
Come back when you play a DK.
Wow. Quoted for proof of intelligence. Do storm calling passives only increase damage of storm calling skills too?
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Combustion_(Ardent_Flame)
"Combustion increases the Fire and Poison damage of the active skills in the Ardent Flame skill line. It does not boost damage from other skill lines such as flame staves or skills from Destruction Staff."
Go try it in game before making yourself look more stupid pls?
Come back when you play a DK.
D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »It's an intelligent change. Winter's Embrace is a magicka skill line so the passive should benefit the people actually using it, instead of people who will arbitrarily level it for one passive.
Yet dk's get a poison and fire aoe version because they do poison and fire.
It's a stupid change.
Err.. what? Those passives only affect skills from those lines, not any aoe.
Come back when you play a DK.
Wow. Quoted for proof of intelligence. Do storm calling passives only increase damage of storm calling skills too?
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Combustion_(Ardent_Flame)
"Combustion increases the Fire and Poison damage of the active skills in the Ardent Flame skill line. It does not boost damage from other skill lines such as flame staves or skills from Destruction Staff."
Yes, and keep reading down the list of passives. Then you'll see what the rest of us are talking about.
@sodantokb16_ESO , @leepalmer95 , @casparian
Learn to DK.
Test subject is an Argonian DK, level 50, with no CP spent and no other points spent. Using a CP160 Gold Whitestrake's Inferno Staff.
Combustion does NOT affect the Destro Staff Line.
World in Ruin does affect only SOME Destro Staff skills. It is 3% and 6%.
(Formula for % increase: ( { (Increased dmg) - (Base dmg) } * 100 / (Base Dmg) )
Destro staff skill
No points in either
1 point in Combustion
2 points in Combustion
1 point in World in Ruin
2 points in World in Ruin
Force Shock IV
No points in either = 1056 Flame Damage
1 point in Combustion = 1056 Flame Damage
2 points in Combustion = 1056 Flame Damage
1 point in World in Ruin = 1056 Flame Damage (no change)
2 points in World in Ruin = 1056 Flame Damage (no change)
Wall of Fire IV
No points in either = 947 Flame Damage per tick
1 point in Combustion = 947 Flame Damage per tick
2 points in Combustion = 947 Flame Damage per tick
1 point in World in Ruin = 975 Flame Damage per tick (increase of 28 points per tick or 2.9% )
2 points in World in Ruin = 1003 Flame Damage per tick (increase of 56 points per tick or 5.91%)
Flame Touch II
No points in either = 2274 initial / 2865 over time
1 point in Combustion = 2274 initial / 2865 over time
2 points in Combustion = 2274 initial / 2865 over time
1 point in World in Ruin = 2274 initial / 2865 over time (no change)
2 points in World in Ruin = 2274 initial / 2865 over time (no change)
Fire Impulse IV
No points in either = 2345 Flame Damage
1 point in Combustion = 2345 Flame Damage
2 points in Combustion = 2345 Flame Damage
1 point in World in Ruin = 2415 Flame Damage (increase of 70 points, or 2.9%)
2 points in World in Ruin = 2485 Flame Damage (increase of 140 points, or 5.97%)
Power level to CP160 in a week:
Where is the end game? You just played it.
Why don't I have 300+ skill points? Because you skipped content along the way.
Where is new content? Sigh.
Where is the end game? You just played it.
Why don't I have 300+ skill points? Because you skipped content along the way.
Where is new content? Sigh.
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✭✭✭In that thread, several of us pointed out that DKs have a passive that boosts AOE flame and poison damage, even on non-DK skills. You said that DKs have no such passive. We pointed out that World in Ruin applies to some bow and destro staff skills (i.e., the AOE ones). You pointed out that Combustion does not apply to to non-DK skills (we never suggested otherwise; all along we were talking about World in Ruin). Your testing has now confirmed exactly what we were trying to get you to understand.
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✭In that thread, several of us pointed out that DKs have a passive that boosts AOE flame and poison damage, even on non-DK skills. You said that DKs have no such passive. We pointed out that World in Ruin applies to some bow and destro staff skills (i.e., the AOE ones). You pointed out that Combustion does not apply to to non-DK skills (we never suggested otherwise; all along we were talking about World in Ruin). Your testing has now confirmed exactly what we were trying to get you to understand.
Thanks for learning how to DK.
Ah.. yep.
Not exactly sure how anything above is supposed to be boosting my ego tho.Edited by Darlgon on May 22, 2017 9:30PMPower level to CP160 in a week:
Where is the end game? You just played it.
Why don't I have 300+ skill points? Because you skipped content along the way.
Where is new content? Sigh.0 -
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✭✭✭In that thread, several of us pointed out that DKs have a passive that boosts AOE flame and poison damage, even on non-DK skills. You said that DKs have no such passive. We pointed out that World in Ruin applies to some bow and destro staff skills (i.e., the AOE ones). You pointed out that Combustion does not apply to to non-DK skills (we never suggested otherwise; all along we were talking about World in Ruin). Your testing has now confirmed exactly what we were trying to get you to understand.
Thanks for learning how to DK.
Ah.. yep.
Not exactly sure how anything above is supposed to be boosting my ego tho.
The OP had a childish "I'm right, your wrong" tone to it. That might be what he/she is talking about.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA1 -
casparian✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭In that thread, several of us pointed out that DKs have a passive that boosts AOE flame and poison damage, even on non-DK skills. You said that DKs have no such passive. We pointed out that World in Ruin applies to some bow and destro staff skills (i.e., the AOE ones). You pointed out that Combustion does not apply to to non-DK skills (we never suggested otherwise; all along we were talking about World in Ruin). Your testing has now confirmed exactly what we were trying to get you to understand.
Thanks for learning how to DK.
Ah.. yep.
Not exactly sure how anything above is supposed to be boosting my ego tho.
Ehh, sorry. I took your post to be meant to show how we were wrong and I got all defensive.
It seems like the bottom line lesson here is that the various passives' tooltips are in fact correct. In true forum fashion, we have demonstrated that with the maximum drama possible.
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