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previous title: Should uppercut have it's cast time reduced to 0.6 seconds?
The reason is, against any good animation canceler or macro user, instant cast abilities reign supreme. Here's what I mean:
Edit: so apparently uppercut can't be interrupted. which is strange, as it is a cast time ability.
You can anim cancel a light attack into an instant cast ability. you can also anim cancel an instant cast ability by blocking, and you'll still do damage. Since shield bash isn't constrained by the GCD of abilities or light attacks you can also LA+InstantAbility+shieldbash . If you're good enough at animation cancelling you can perform all of this in under a second, repeatedly. Since Uppercut has a cast time that can be interrupted (and stuns the user if interrupted while not under CC immunity), and it deals damage after one second, that means a good player using LA+Insta+Bash can deal more damage to a player using Uppercut in less time than it takes for Uppercut to cast, as well as procing three different damage instances (or more depending on the insta used, enchantments, procs) and stunning the player who is using uppercut. They can do this repeatedly, and fast enough to never let the player using uppercut to get a hit in. And even if the player using uppercut does get a hit in, since the only time the LA+Insta+Bash player doesn't have their shield down (damage and negative status effect mitigation) is when they use the LA+insta which can be done in less time than the GCD and the Uppercut cast time, they are also greatly protected while doing so.
In Summary, the current risk/reward for the 1.0 cast time of Uppercut carries too great a risk for a reward that is highly likely to be mitigated.
The reason is, against any good animation canceler or macro user, instant cast abilities reign supreme. Here's what I mean:
Edit: so apparently uppercut can't be interrupted. which is strange, as it is a cast time ability.
You can anim cancel a light attack into an instant cast ability. you can also anim cancel an instant cast ability by blocking, and you'll still do damage. Since shield bash isn't constrained by the GCD of abilities or light attacks you can also LA+InstantAbility+shieldbash . If you're good enough at animation cancelling you can perform all of this in under a second, repeatedly. Since Uppercut has a cast time that can be interrupted (and stuns the user if interrupted while not under CC immunity), and it deals damage after one second, that means a good player using LA+Insta+Bash can deal more damage to a player using Uppercut in less time than it takes for Uppercut to cast, as well as procing three different damage instances (or more depending on the insta used, enchantments, procs) and stunning the player who is using uppercut. They can do this repeatedly, and fast enough to never let the player using uppercut to get a hit in. And even if the player using uppercut does get a hit in, since the only time the LA+Insta+Bash player doesn't have their shield down (damage and negative status effect mitigation) is when they use the LA+insta which can be done in less time than the GCD and the Uppercut cast time, they are also greatly protected while doing so.
In Summary, the current risk/reward for the 1.0 cast time of Uppercut carries too great a risk for a reward that is highly likely to be mitigated.
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CP5✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Uppercut can't be interrupted, they made it that way back when they reduced its cast time to 1s.0 -
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Really? Isn't it cast time though? Thought all cast time abilities could be interrupted. Like Snipe, I know getting hit with shield bash or venom arrow while using snipe stuns/interrupts. Why is Uppercut different?0 -
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✭✭Avran_Sylt wrote: »@CP5
Really? Isn't it cast time though? Thought all cast time abilities could be interrupted. Like Snipe, I know getting hit with shield bash or venom arrow while using snipe stuns/interrupts. Why is Uppercut different?
Because the tooltip says so. Likely because it would be very inefficient if it was bashable0 -
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✭✭Plus, it requires you to be in bashing distance so it'd be next to impossible to pull it off0 -
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The tooltip doesn't say anything about it being uninterruptible, just that it's a cast time.0 -
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✭DannyLV702 wrote: »Avran_Sylt wrote: »@CP5
Really? Isn't it cast time though? Thought all cast time abilities could be interrupted. Like Snipe, I know getting hit with shield bash or venom arrow while using snipe stuns/interrupts. Why is Uppercut different?
Because the tooltip says so. Likely because it would be very inefficient if it was bashable
Also, if that's the case, why is snipe interruptable? Wouldn't that mean it's very inefficient against mages who use Crushing Shock as their spammable? or other archers who are using venom arrow?Edited by Avran_Sylt on May 21, 2017 4:57AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NoGuys, and gals, do not bother. I think he likes to argue for the sake of it. I really do not see why he has posted so many threads wanting things different since he regularly comes up short defending his posted thoughts.
It is like talking to a brick wall. He does not care what you think.
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