so no blocking to cancel skill when weaving?

darthsithis

I've been doing this for years...never really hurt my gameplay in terms of finishing content, but are you really not supposed to do for instance LA -> Force pulse -> tap block to end force pulse animation then repeat? Do you just LA pulse LA pulse LA pulse? I block cancel my ulti's, synergy activation animations, frags, pretty much all of it. Is it faster to leave it out?

I'm desperately trying to beat this sorc who did a 53k self buffed target dummy (just for fun of course), so maybe this is the problem? I am close but just hit a wall.

Lastly, don't stamblades block cancel everything? steel tornado? surprise attack like 3x then execute? steel tornado is clearly faster block cancelled. I ask all this because people say not to do it. Just want the most informed decisions when trying to make my play style top tier. TY in advance!

Waffennacht

On my Templar it's very clear to me to not block cancel ever.

However, unless I'm doing something wrong, on a procced frag from my sorc I do notice improvement on block cancelling frag.

Just from my experience, abilities with projectiles, from sorc, seem to do well block ac, only thing coming to mind is frag, I weapon swap cancel LL and Blockade

dpencil1

The problem is that skills have a 1 second global cooldown. It doesn't make a difference if you block cancel something before 1 second because you can't do another skill until the GDC is over anyway. When you do LA > FP etc. You're still going to be casting FP every seconds whether you cancel the animation or not.

The point of block canceling is to get the effect of a skill to hit sooner than the animation. It is for burst. Not for sustained fighting. Take Dawnbreaker. If you block cancel it, it will hit the target earlier than if you let the whole animation run.

darthsithis

like i made videos i swear blocking is faster...lemme show ya.

http://xboxclips.com/turboyagi/24dd5fdc-085e-4c6c-a31b-19fb2dcec105/embed

darthsithis

can yall wath that video, it just 'feels' slower. Im not saying i dont believe you but am i doint it wrong when not blocking?

darthsithis

Waffennacht wrote: »

On my Templar it's very clear to me to not block cancel ever.

However, unless I'm doing something wrong, on a procced frag from my sorc I do notice improvement on block cancelling frag.

Just from my experience, abilities with projectiles, from sorc, seem to do well block ac, only thing coming to mind is frag, I weapon swap cancel LL and Blockade

yeah me too, just in that video tried to show a clear diff between not block cancelling and using it. I do know how to weapon swap cancel lol before anyone says 'yoyuyoyuyou idididntt ddodo ititt' haha

Dorrino

darthsithis wrote: »

can yall wath that video, it just 'feels' slower. Im not saying i dont believe you but am i doint it wrong when not blocking?

Yep. You are doing it wrong when not blocking.

It's you who decides when you use a light attack, so you might have a habit of doing it after 'x' ms after blocking (as a muscle memory), but without blocking you press it later .

If you want to test if block has anything to do with abilities' gcd - use only abilities. Without light attacks.

So in one case you just spam ability button and in another case you spam ability+block. Most likely the later will be longer, since you'll need to manually decide when to press the ability button after block.

darthsithis

wait i am confused now.

i should just do LA and while the animation is going on interrupt with skill right...?

im a flawless conq lmao i cant believe ive been doing this wrong

dpencil1

Yup

darthsithis

ok one more vid think i got it. is this right?

http://xboxclips.com/turboyagi/478cb809-04c2-4e94-b33b-b78289694d01/embed

xboxclips.com/turboyagi/478cb809-04c2-4e94-b33b-b78289694d01/embed

Dorrino

darthsithis wrote: »

ok one more vid think i got it. is this right?

http://xboxclips.com/turboyagi/478cb809-04c2-4e94-b33b-b78289694d01/embed

xboxclips.com/turboyagi/478cb809-04c2-4e94-b33b-b78289694d01/embed

It's hard to see the difference in a video.

But generally you animation cancel by LA->skill->wait 1 sec->LA->skill->wait 1 sec

You seemed to be doing LA->skill->block->wait 1 sec->LA->skill->block->wait 1 sec.

The thing is you have to measure this 1 sec wait interval manually in both cases.

So if you're used to adding block at the end of each repetition you will do it faster than without block. Just because that's your habit.

But as far as game's mechanics are concerned block doesn't reduce gcd after the skill and is thus redundant.

The only case when you'd want to add a block there is pvp, but then you'd rather hold block instead of tapping it.

Let me refer you to THIS post of mine. It should clear many misconceptions about animation canceling in eso.

darthsithis

sry those were the same video haha. no blocking in those.. just asking if that looks right

Dorrino

darthsithis wrote: »

sry those were the same video haha. no blocking in those.. just asking if that looks right

It did look right in the very first video as well:) The difference is minuscule and really hard to see in a video.

dpencil1

If it feels like you're going "ka-boom, ka-boom, ka-boom" you're doing it right.

Dorrino

dpencil1 wrote: »

If it feels like you're going "ka-boom, ka-boom, ka-boom" you're doing it right.

I'd call it 'Kboom' instead. "Ka-boom' is too long and reduces your dps:P

Izaki

http://imgur.com/Vhl90sv

^ No block canceling needed. Especially on stamina builds where blocking stops your stamina regen, thus hurting your sustain even more than the nerfs have already done.

When you look at all the top Sorcs, Yolo, Streak One, etc. You never see them block canceling.

darthsithis

yeah my solo target went up to 37

infused maelstrom and no infal staff

I might be able to hit 40k with bis gear

got no glyphs or anything either kuta'd on my gear, but i believe playstyle > minmax most of the time.

ill post a dps parse- alcast told me for sorc you should have ~37k self buffed, but what are y'all getting? im shy to post a video lol

darthsithis

ok so precise fire staff maelstrom and random sharpened lightning?

if i wanna do it right should i do bsw and infal or necropotence and ancient grace?

and my bars w/ bsw are frag pulse curse inner light aegis
execute liquid fire wall ele drain aegis

for necro its inner light curse daedric tomb (hits for 50k if you can stack all three) aegis scamp meteor
ele drain liquid wall aegis pet destro ult

some ppl say use lightning lightning instead of fire tho for necro, since concussion and of balance give you crazy damage. thoughts?

Masel

darthsithis wrote: »

ok so precise fire staff maelstrom and random sharpened lightning?

if i wanna do it right should i do bsw and infal or necropotence and ancient grace?

and my bars w/ bsw are frag pulse curse inner light aegis
execute liquid fire wall ele drain aegis

for necro its inner light curse daedric tomb (hits for 50k if you can stack all three) aegis scamp meteor
ele drain liquid wall aegis pet destro ult

some ppl say use lightning lightning instead of fire tho for necro, since concussion and of balance give you crazy damage. thoughts?

There's literally no point in optimising your rotation and dummy parses now. With morrowind you'll have to adapt it either way... Block canceling is a waste of time in PvE. I have a few guildmates who do it too, but it doesn't make any sense and the only reason is that they are used to doing it. I don't do it and I don't parse lower than they do.

Sorcs are going to have a hard time sustaining their old rotation, and the days of 37k+ self buffed dummy parses are over. Sorcs will always parse higher than others due to minor vulnerability + lightning blockade, but in a raid the other classes close up to them now.

darthsithis

ty for the help guys, got myself to my goal of 37ish.

I know in a raid its useless but for trial groups who think dps parse = all you need i like to satiate their fears (even though mechanics are really my strong suit but they only wanna hear numbers for some reason).

Also its good to better myself and my rotation. Yall changed my life and simplified my combat experiences a lot lmao. My left finger auto blocks though thatll take a while to undo...

Waffennacht

darthsithis wrote: »

ty for the help guys, got myself to my goal of 37ish.

I know in a raid its useless but for trial groups who think dps parse = all you need i like to satiate their fears (even though mechanics are really my strong suit but they only wanna hear numbers for some reason).

Also its good to better myself and my rotation. Yall changed my life and simplified my combat experiences a lot lmao. My left finger auto blocks though thatll take a while to undo...

@darthsithis lol see I told you I knew you, Mr. Gm