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Buying new rig
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Epona222✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I'd say it depends on what your budget is
Mine was not a massive budget so I went for the i5, it was a big step up from the AMD chip I had before, and the game now runs nice and smooth. If you have a ton of cash to spare - well I wouldn't say the i7 is necessary to play the game, but it's a nice luxury if you're not short of money.
Consider what other components you need to buy too.Edited by Epona222 on May 20, 2017 2:58PMGM - Ghost Sea Trading Co - NA PC
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DaiKahn✭✭✭✭IMHO, getting the highest you can will only benefit you in the future, so go for the i7 7700KI'm just a manHail Sithis3 -
Yukon2112✭✭✭I just built my new computer so here is what i got: Asus z270-a mb 16gb ram I5 7600 unlocked with a 1060 6 gb card and a 250 Samsung m2 ssd. Also went liquid cooled for cpu. I feel it is a great rig.
It works great I keep 60 fps. My Amd was 5 yrs old and it should have been left in cold harbor...0 -
Draqone✭✭✭✭For ESO performance you won't see the difference between the i5 and the i7.
Usually you'll want to spend the money you save there on a better GPU.
@Yukon2112 what GPU?ESO Balance:
“All skills are equal, but some skills are more equal than others.”1 -
gresiac✭✭✭✭For ESO performance you won't see the difference between the i5 and the i7.
Usually you'll want to spend the money you save there on a better GPU.
@Yukon2112 what GPU?
Mmos dont need a high end gpu like fpsEdited by gresiac on May 20, 2017 3:16PM0 -
Epona222✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭For ESO performance you won't see the difference between the i5 and the i7.
Usually you'll want to spend the money you save there on a better GPU.
@Yukon2112 what GPU?
Mmos dont need a high end gpu like fps
True, but people rarely build a PC for just one game
(Unless they are extremely blinkered). Edited by Epona222 on May 20, 2017 3:19PMGM - Ghost Sea Trading Co - NA PC
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gresiac✭✭✭✭For ESO performance you won't see the difference between the i5 and the i7.
Usually you'll want to spend the money you save there on a better GPU.
@Yukon2112 what GPU?
Mmos dont need a high end gpu like fps
True, but people rarely build a PC for just one game (Unless they are extremely blinkered).
I only play mmo0 -
Kildayen✭✭✭✭✭@Draone GEFORCE gtx 1060. It might be over kill for eso but I also built for the furture
Furture. He said furture.
FURTURE
Now I'm staring at my dog and saying furture to her. She keeps twisting her head at different angles trying to understand what this new fun word is.
FUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRTTTTUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRREEEEEEEE
Try it! It's so much fun!0 -
Epona222✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭@Draone GEFORCE gtx 1060. It might be over kill for eso but I also built for the furture
Furture. He said furture.
FURTURE
Now I'm staring at my dog and saying furture to her. She keeps twisting her head at different angles trying to understand what this new fun word is.
FUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRTTTTUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRREEEEEEEE
Try it! It's so much fun!
You know what, I'm always up for a proper argument - get stuck in and have a row about something, glare at one another and shake hands afterwards and agree to disagree and all that.
But this comes across as you just being a really pedantic nit-picker.
GM - Ghost Sea Trading Co - NA PC
Epona was a Romano-Celtic goddess dating back to around 1800 to 2000 years before computer games were invented.0 -
Voxicity✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@Draone GEFORCE gtx 1060. It might be over kill for eso but I also built for the furture
Furture. He said furture.
FURTURE
Now I'm staring at my dog and saying furture to her. She keeps twisting her head at different angles trying to understand what this new fun word is.
FUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRTTTTUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRREEEEEEEE
Try it! It's so much fun!
You know what, I'm always up for a proper argument - get stuck in and have a row about something, glare at one another and shake hands afterwards and agree to disagree and all that.
But this comes across as you just being a really pedantic nit-picker.
I think they may have been joking... just a thought1 -
Epona222✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭@Draone GEFORCE gtx 1060. It might be over kill for eso but I also built for the furture
Furture. He said furture.
FURTURE
Now I'm staring at my dog and saying furture to her. She keeps twisting her head at different angles trying to understand what this new fun word is.
FUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRTTTTUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRREEEEEEEE
Try it! It's so much fun!
You know what, I'm always up for a proper argument - get stuck in and have a row about something, glare at one another and shake hands afterwards and agree to disagree and all that.
But this comes across as you just being a really pedantic nit-picker.
I think they may have been joking... just a thought
You see that thing I put at the end of my post? It's called a smilie GM - Ghost Sea Trading Co - NA PC
Epona was a Romano-Celtic goddess dating back to around 1800 to 2000 years before computer games were invented.0 -
Draqone✭✭✭✭@Yukon2112 seems like a good GPU for the moment and for that CPU. You'll probably wnat to saty with the same CPU for a few years and upgrade your GPU once you start to drop below 60 FPS.
@gresiac what GPU do you want to pair that CPU with? Because this is what matters most.Edited by Draqone on May 20, 2017 3:35PMESO Balance:
“All skills are equal, but some skills are more equal than others.”0 -
Voxicity✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@Draone GEFORCE gtx 1060. It might be over kill for eso but I also built for the furture
Furture. He said furture.
FURTURE
Now I'm staring at my dog and saying furture to her. She keeps twisting her head at different angles trying to understand what this new fun word is.
FUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRTTTTUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRREEEEEEEE
Try it! It's so much fun!
You know what, I'm always up for a proper argument - get stuck in and have a row about something, glare at one another and shake hands afterwards and agree to disagree and all that.
But this comes across as you just being a really pedantic nit-picker.
I think they may have been joking... just a thought
You see that thing I put at the end of my post? It's called a smilie 0 -
Kildayen✭✭✭✭✭@Draone GEFORCE gtx 1060. It might be over kill for eso but I also built for the furture
Furture. He said furture.
FURTURE
Now I'm staring at my dog and saying furture to her. She keeps twisting her head at different angles trying to understand what this new fun word is.
FUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRTTTTUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRREEEEEEEE
Try it! It's so much fun!
You know what, I'm always up for a proper argument - get stuck in and have a row about something, glare at one another and shake hands afterwards and agree to disagree and all that.
But this comes across as you just being a really pedantic nit-picker.
I swear I wasn't trying to be rude towards anyone. I just noticed how fun that word was and I had to share it! Did you try it yet?0 -
Epona222✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭@Draone GEFORCE gtx 1060. It might be over kill for eso but I also built for the furture
Furture. He said furture.
FURTURE
Now I'm staring at my dog and saying furture to her. She keeps twisting her head at different angles trying to understand what this new fun word is.
FUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRTTTTUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRREEEEEEEE
Try it! It's so much fun!
You know what, I'm always up for a proper argument - get stuck in and have a row about something, glare at one another and shake hands afterwards and agree to disagree and all that.
But this comes across as you just being a really pedantic nit-picker.
I swear I wasn't trying to be rude towards anyone. I just noticed how fun that word was and I had to share it! Did you try it yet?
I'm a self-proclaimed pedantic nit-picker myself anyway - consider it a compliment
GM - Ghost Sea Trading Co - NA PC
Epona was a Romano-Celtic goddess dating back to around 1800 to 2000 years before computer games were invented.0 -
gresiac✭✭✭✭@Yukon2112 seems like a good GPU for the moment and for that CPU. You'll probably wnat to saty with the same CPU for a few years and upgrade your GPU once you start to drop below 60 FPS.
@gresiac what GPU do you want to pair that CPU with? Because this is what matters most.
Nvidia 1070 gtx0 -
Night_Watch✭✭✭
I'm a self-proclaimed pedantic nit-picker myself anyway - consider it a compliment
Is it not just terribly awful that the days when 'pedant', from (one is led to believe) the Italian 'pedante', meaning 'teacher' are gone. How wonderful it must have been to be referred to as a pedant back when the description was given as a compliment. Times change! Now to be called a pedant is, more often than not, an insult.
Back on track;
From a budget point of view any choice regarding CPU has got to be balanced. There are other considerations such as 'shop' build or 'self' build. Future proofing, future upgrading and 'best bang for buck' should all be thought of too.
Generally, for a gaming rig, a good i5 (or, debatably, comparable CPU from other manufacturer) with a good GPU is often the best way to go. This allows purchase of a CPU that is suitable for gaming and, with potential savings from CPU purchase added to the fund for GPU, a better and probably more future proof GPU.
If the new 'rig' is to be used for more than gaming and desktop performance is needed then it would likely be best to go for the i7 (or other manufacturer equivalent) to get that bit more desktop 'oomph'!
My current main desktop started off as an i5-4670k with 8gb ram and twin GPUs that I forget the name of just now. Over time that desktop has changed when I could scrimp together enough money. The machine is still that same i5 but now has 16gb ram and a GTX1070. I have changed one of the original HDDs to a smaller capacity but much faster SSD and fitted a mSATA SSD too.
My new laptop is an MSI GE62vr 7rf (Apache Pro) with an i7-7700HQ CPU, 16gb ram and a GTX1060.
I'm not trying to out do anyone or anything like that (I know there are much better rigs out there). The point is that with the desktop, I bought the best I could afford as a starter then upgraded as funds became available. With the laptop, I had to wait a few years until I had saved enough to comfortably make the purchase.
I wish the OP and anyone else making a new self build or shop build purchase well. For me, with the little information at hand, I would repeat what was touched on earlier; if going for a gaming rig get the i5 and put the saving towards a better GPU. The cost difference for the CPUs is probably only USD 60 to USD 80 (have not checked) - a small but significant ammount.
Edit: updated incorrect laptop specification and slight rewording to make more sense!Edited by Night_Watch on May 20, 2017 5:40PM"If there is an underlying oneness of all things, it does not matter where we begin, whether with stars, or laws of supply and demand, or frogs, or Napoleon Bonaparte. One measures a circle, beginning anywhere."
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Night_Watch✭✭✭@Yukon2112 seems like a good GPU for the moment and for that CPU. You'll probably wnat to saty with the same CPU for a few years and upgrade your GPU once you start to drop below 60 FPS.
@gresiac what GPU do you want to pair that CPU with? Because this is what matters most.
Nvidia 1070 gtx
LOL! Just saw that!
If you have enough funds, the i7 with the GTX1070 would be great. Want to save a bit lolly? If so, the i5 with the GTX1070 will be more than required for most modern MMOs. Either combo will likely open up the world of VR for you too - should you want to take that route."If there is an underlying oneness of all things, it does not matter where we begin, whether with stars, or laws of supply and demand, or frogs, or Napoleon Bonaparte. One measures a circle, beginning anywhere."
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Epona222✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Gosh, if you can get an i5 and i7 at only 60-80 dollars difference then that really is something to consider, here the difference when I built mine was around £500 (so something over $800) - the i5 was a complete no-brainer with those prices, I was wanting to build a PC, not put a satellite into low earth orbit
ESO (and tbh a lot more single player games are going this way too) is very CPU heavy - if you've been having problems with NPCs and textures loading slowly and massive lag in combat effects when there are more than a few people on screen, that's your CPU struggling, not your GPU. If you're not sure, try out a simple downloadable resource monitor and run it in the corner of your screen while playing, it will most likely show that your CPU is at full whack and your GPU (unless it is an antique) is barely breaking a sweat.
Both CPU and GPU are important. When I did my rebuild late last year, I used a lot of older components that I already had lying around - but it was the CPU upgrade that made ESO feel like a different (and much better!) game.Edited by Epona222 on May 20, 2017 5:57PMGM - Ghost Sea Trading Co - NA PC
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Night_Watch✭✭✭Gosh, if you can get an i5 and i7 at only 60-80 dollars difference then that really is something to consider, here the difference when I built mine was around £500 (so something over $800) - the i5 was a complete no-brainer with those prices, I was wanting to build a PC, not put a satellite into low earth orbit
ESO (and tbh a lot more single player games are going this way too) is very CPU heavy - if you've been having problems with NPCs and textures loading slowly and massive lag in combat effects when there are more than a few people on screen, that's your CPU struggling, not your GPU. If you're not sure, try out a simple downloadable resource monitor and run it in the corner of your screen while playing, it will most likely show that your CPU is at full whack and your GPU (unless it is an antique) is barely breaking a sweat.
Both CPU and GPU are important. When I did my rebuild late last year, I used a lot of older components that I already had lying around - but it was the CPU upgrade that made ESO feel like a different (and much better!) game.
I just checked as I was basing cost difference on (rough) memory! I found this;
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-7700K-vs-Intel-Core-i5-7600K/3647vs3885
A USD 77 difference! (Both Kaby Lake).
So - yeah! If those prices are correct it would appear that getting the i7 is a 'no brainer'. The given stats seem to support the 'i7 is better' argument too. Or I could be reading wrong!
I know the thing about 'CPU heavy' but was writing with generalisations in mind. I was thinking about cost, use of 'rig' and future proofing or upgrading. Budget is a massive consideration for me too and though it may cost more over time, I have to buy the best I can afford then upgrade as funds are freed!
I did chuckle at 'I was wanting to build a PC, not put a satellite into low earth orbit ' - been there done that, worn the t-shirt, borrowed the cap, pleaded with the bank and more ... !
It is very true that 'Both CPU and GPU are important'. I used to reuse older components a lot or give them to mates to upgrade their systems. In another life (so to say) I would build, maintain or repair a lot of PCs for friends, family a couple of small businesses and at college. more often than not, the CPU would be the best upgrade or most important component in the new build but balance is the key when on a budget!
EDIT: Because mathematics (77 USD not what I originally put)!Edited by Night_Watch on May 20, 2017 6:29PM"If there is an underlying oneness of all things, it does not matter where we begin, whether with stars, or laws of supply and demand, or frogs, or Napoleon Bonaparte. One measures a circle, beginning anywhere."
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Epona222✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Night_Watch wrote: »Gosh, if you can get an i5 and i7 at only 60-80 dollars difference then that really is something to consider, here the difference when I built mine was around £500 (so something over $800) - the i5 was a complete no-brainer with those prices, I was wanting to build a PC, not put a satellite into low earth orbit
ESO (and tbh a lot more single player games are going this way too) is very CPU heavy - if you've been having problems with NPCs and textures loading slowly and massive lag in combat effects when there are more than a few people on screen, that's your CPU struggling, not your GPU. If you're not sure, try out a simple downloadable resource monitor and run it in the corner of your screen while playing, it will most likely show that your CPU is at full whack and your GPU (unless it is an antique) is barely breaking a sweat.
Both CPU and GPU are important. When I did my rebuild late last year, I used a lot of older components that I already had lying around - but it was the CPU upgrade that made ESO feel like a different (and much better!) game.
I just checked as I was basing cost difference on (rough) memory! I found this;
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-7700K-vs-Intel-Core-i5-7600K/3647vs3885
A USD 23 difference! (Both Kaby Lake).
So - yeah! If those prices are correct it would appear that getting the i7 is a 'no brainer'. The given stats seem to suppoert the 'i7 is better' argument too. Or I could be reading wrong!
I know the thing about 'CPU heavy' but was writing with generalisations in mind. I was thinking about cost, use of 'rig' and future proofing or upgrading. Budget is a massive consideration for me too and though it may cost more over time, I have to buy the best I can afford then upgrade as funds are freed!
I did chuckle at 'I was wanting to build a PC, not put a satellite into low earth orbit ' - been there done that, worn the t-shirt, borrowed the cap, pleaded with the bank and more ... !
It is very true that 'Both CPU and GPU are important'. I used to reuse older components a lot or give them to mates to upgrade their systems. In another life (so to say) I would build, maintain or repair a lot of PCs for friends, family a couple of small businesses and at college. more often than not, the CPU would be the best upgrade or most important component in the new build but balance is the key when on a budget!
I'm not in the US, which makes a difference with prices, especially with taxes. Also I am not building my PC now, I was building it last year. I am saying what the price difference was THEN, HERE where I am, not what it is NOW, THERE where you are. Not the same things at all GM - Ghost Sea Trading Co - NA PC
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Night_Watch✭✭✭
I'm not in the US, which makes a difference with prices, especially with taxes. Also I am not building my PC now, I was building it last year. I am saying what the price difference was THEN, HERE where I am, not what it is NOW, THERE where you are. Not the same things at all
I think I may have made a mistake! I just got back to keyboard after meal. I follow the link and, though I'm sure the original was in USD, the prices are in GBP. The USD price difference is around USD 100. My bad? Probably.
You're right with the differences in price according to location I used to buy components in Germany when visiting family because it was cheaper than buying in the UK (I live in the North of England). My uncle who lives in Australia could not believe how cheap some PCs were in the UK (comparative) when he visited us a few years back.
I may have, in typing*, inferred that I had not understood that you were comparing prices from 'then'. I did understand you though. It's amazing how prices have changed over the years or even a year!
Ill post my rig that i want ro buy later
That would be nice to see. Whichever way you go I hope you can get the rig that is right for you at a good price.
Edit: Arrrgh! Post quoting post quoting post mix up - sorted now
Edit: * I quoted USD as I had that in mind for some reason (rather than my usual GBP) and USD was what I saw when I originally checked - of course I had to revise this after recheck! Edited by Night_Watch on May 20, 2017 9:36PM"If there is an underlying oneness of all things, it does not matter where we begin, whether with stars, or laws of supply and demand, or frogs, or Napoleon Bonaparte. One measures a circle, beginning anywhere."
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I'm still running games of all genres, on an i5-2500k @ 4ghz The thing with MMO's that use crappy engines is, you'll get terrible fps drops at some point, no matter how great one thinks their CPU/GPU is.
I purchased the sandybridge for $200 including the MB, my best hardware investment yet. I've looked at both the processors you mention but tempting as they are, the Ryzen also looks to be competitive at the moment. I've got the upgrade bug this year but the new i5 and i7's aren't impressive enough. I won't upgrade until it's possible to see 90%-110% performance improvement in games of all genres.
That said, I'd go with the i5 for price/performance ratio. Hyperthreading is a wonderful feature but it's usefulness in even the most recent games, is debatable.0 -
Wifeaggro13✭✭✭✭✭
✭Jollygoodusername wrote: »I'm still running games of all genres, on an i5-2500k @ 4ghz The thing with MMO's that use crappy engines is, you'll get terrible fps drops at some point, no matter how great one thinks their CPU/GPU is.
I purchased the sandybridge for $200 including the MB, my best hardware investment yet. I've looked at both the processors you mention but tempting as they are, the Ryzen also looks to be competitive at the moment. I've got the upgrade bug this year but the new i5 and i7's aren't impressive enough. I won't upgrade until it's possible to see 90%-110% performance improvement in games of all genres.
That said, I'd go with the i5 for price/performance ratio. Hyperthreading is a wonderful feature but it's usefulness in even the most recent games, is debatable.
I5 is plenty fine for most gaming situations. Mmos rely heavily on multi task processing . And a newer game like eso will have engine enhancememts. And likely wont notice much stalling until he is in trials. Or big battles in cyrodil. When i built my rig recently i went i7 easy button over clock , went with a furyx card liquid cool instead of a 1080 oc . And put more money at the cpu. I play far more mmos. Cpu will bottle neck your video card no matter how big it is in a mmo0 -
Xylphan✭✭✭✭For ESO performance you won't see the difference between the i5 and the i7.
Usually you'll want to spend the money you save there on a better GPU.
@Yukon2112 what GPU?
That depends entirely on what you like to do in the game.
If you're just going PvE, then an i5 is fine. If you plan to hang out in Cyrodil than an i7 will give you better performance.0